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[Hello There]

We're falling behind guys, get your friends and vote for silent.

[Aradace]

KLUME777 wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

I doubt many of them will because the 1 thing they hate more than being proven wrong is actually admitting they were wrong although no doubt they'll say the same things about DA2 fans also and how this is all our fault but i will just lay back with a cold beer and LMAO at theese peeps while enjoying DA3

Voices or no voices aside, did you enjoy DA2 as a whole?

Me personally (although you werent addressing me) I did, yes.  Did I enjoy it more than Origins? Oh hell yes.  The Voiced protag was just icing on the proverbial cake for me.  Do I admit that DA2 has some flaws? Absolutely.  I.e. reused maps/dungeons and "paratrooping" enemies.  But are these factors enough for me to hate the game or even dislike it more than Origins? Certainly not.  Because whether folks choose to acknowledge it or not, Origins had just as many flaws.  

One of which was combat in general.  It was snail-paced (and no, dont say tactical because making combat slow does NOT make it tactical.  You can be just as tactical with the faster combat in DA2 as you could with Origins.  You just have to think quicker and react faster.)  There was also the fact that half the time when you went to kill something (i.e. a drake or a quest related mob) it literally took forever for the game to process what was going on and therefore spawn it's loot or update said quest properly.  Sometimes, I'd even have to save, quit, then reload the save for it to work.  That's just a couple examples off the top of my head and I could write volumes on the topic.

Hello There wrote...

We're falling behind guys, get your friends and vote for silent.

I sometimes wish I were still as naive as you 

Modifié par Aradace, 21 septembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[KLUME777]

Aradace wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

I doubt many of them will because the 1 thing they hate more than being proven wrong is actually admitting they were wrong although no doubt they'll say the same things about DA2 fans also and how this is all our fault but i will just lay back with a cold beer and LMAO at theese peeps while enjoying DA3

Voices or no voices aside, did you enjoy DA2 as a whole?

Me personally (although you werent addressing me) I did, yes.  Did I enjoy it more than Origins? Oh hell yes.  The Voiced protag was just icing on the proverbial cake for me.  Do I admit that DA2 has some flaws? Absolutely.  I.e. reused maps/dungeons and "paratrooping" enemies.  But are these factors enough for me to hate the game or even dislike it more than Origins? Certainly not.  Because whether folks choose to acknowledge it or not, Origins had just as many flaws.  

One of which was combat in general.  It was snail-paced (and no, dont say tactical because making combat slow does NOT make it tactical.  You can be just as tactical with the faster combat in DA2 as you could with Origins.  You just have to think quicker and react faster.)  There was also the fact that half the time when you went to kill something (i.e. a drake or a quest related mob) it literally took forever for the game to process what was going on and therefore spawn it's loot or update said quest properly.  Sometimes, I'd even have to save, quit, then reload the save for it to work.  That's just a couple examples off the top of my head and I could write volumes on the topic.

All other aspects like general direction aside (but which are terrible), i can't understand how anyone can actually like DA2 because of the simple level re-use and combat spamming (hightown at night anyone) + the terrible side quest system (go to lowtown, loading screen, for this objective and this objective, Go to Darktown, Loading Screen, for this objective, go to Lowtown, loading screen, for this objective, go to hightown, loading sreen, for this objective and this objective and this objective, royal palace, loading screen, this objective, go to Vimmark mountains, loading screen, long walk for this objective (tedious combat filler) - rinse and repaet over 9000 times.

Voice, companion inventory, bland and terrible artstyle, lack of choice that is blatently obvious, little roleplaying ability, terrible plot etc. put aside, the combat filler, re used levels and quest design just makes the game tedious and incredibly boring, at least on console. I could barely finish the game, how can you play it more than once, and how can you say DAO is worse when it suffered from none of those problems?

Also i played both on PS3, i never ever encountered problems where it couldn't process the game or any loading issues on either games.

Modifié par KLUME777, 21 septembre 2011 - 03:50 .

[Pasquale1234]

LordKinoda wrote...

Agreed. I would guess they may have been operating on the assumption that the majority of their target audience expects voiced protag - which may turn out to be a faulty assumption.

I don't think it's so much as them operating under an assumption about the fans predilections. Probably more that a majority of their team thinks that a voiced character works out better. And they want to keep a consistency with all their other projects ? Maybe, I can't know their reasons.

I can only be happy that they DO like voiced protagonists. Good to be on the "winning side" of a situation for once, heh.

Yes, it's pretty difficult to guess the overall strategy, assumptions, etc. that they were operating with when they made the design decisions we saw implmented in DA2.  I would agree that it's best not to make any presumptions about that.

The only thing I can really draw at this point is that the intention was to appeal to a different target audience than the folks who prefer the gameplay and style of DAO.  We really have no way of knowing how successful they were in accomplishing that; we only know that many people who prefer the style of DAO were massively disappointed in DA2 and may not continue with the franchise.

[San Diego Thief]

yea I preordered DA2 expecting a silent character..will never make that mistake again - if I want to watch a movie, I'll go to Youtube or the theater down the street

[Pasquale1234]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

By all means keep up the misguided hope that if you flood the forums with enough threads with or without polls that you'll get your much beloved silent protag but your chances of succeeding are slim to none so dont be disappointed when you come on the forums after finally buying the game to complain and Aradace, myself and others will all line up and bellow " WE TOLD YOU SO"

Not gonna happen.  Many of us bought DA2 blind, expecting - you know - an actual sequel.  We won't be making that same mistake again.

And since making the correct assumptions seems to be so important to a couple of you, I'm sure that you will be the first ones here to post "I was wrong - I'm the one who was delusional" threads if / when it is announced that voice protag will either be unavailable or can be toggled off on a new release - right?

[jbrand2002uk]

Yes i did enjoy DA2 as a whole despite some of the niggles many have highlighted like the re-used 1 cave albeit with a different entrance door each time and at first i thought DAO was ok not the best RPG by a longshot but it was ok.

But by the halfway point due to the pacing of everything being way too slow among many other flaws but the silent protag was the big killer for me everytime you could hear an NPC speak to you then you select the line of text you choose for your reply and you wait to hear the actual response and then......nothing not even a squeak just totally ruined the whole game for me by that point.

Now i have played many RPG's over the many years i have been playing games and the silent protagonist irked me but didnt bother me all that much, i even enjoyed playing the FPS series Call of Duty where from the 1st game up till Black ops your character never actually speaks, alot of people say a voiced PC breaks their immersion i happily accept thats a big deal for some but for me personally the biggest immersion breaker if i wanted to really roleplay is the 3rd person perspective but for DA2 i didnt find it a problem because when you look at it its not a "pure" and true RPG its more of an action game with RPG elements like Star Wars The Force Unleashed series or that Viking battle for asgard game on the 360.

DA2 certainly had some flaws that need to be addressed but overall it made alot of improvements to the very broken mechanics that was in DAO the skill tree in DAO for example was unnecessarily complex, don't get me wrong detail and options are always a good thing but DAO had far too much.

But most important of all when a RPG features combat as a major part (and if your in a war like they say you are in DAO then combat is a very important part) it should be done right and in DAO it just wasn't, sure we had finishing moves and generally enemies did'nt explode or spawn in waves right on top of you but executing moves just took way too long and it felt laborious DA2 was a big step in the right direction in that rogues felt like the nimble, fast and agile fighters they should be, the warriors felt like powerhouses who could be quick when needed and the mages spells had the visual wow factor to show their power though i would say maybe the speed was slightly too fast.

Having just got The Witcher 2 premium edition and started playing that i'd say the combat mechanic on that is just about right( good finshers and the speeds fast but not too fast) but again this is just my own take on the matter as i'm sure there will be people who will think differently

[Aradace]

KLUME777 wrote...

how can you play it more than once, and how can you say DAO is worse when it suffered from none of those problems?

This, is an opinion, not fact.  Origins IMO has a sub par plot.  And by sub par I mean cliche and done a thousand times already even before Origins existed.  As I said, sure the reused maps/dungeons are annoying, but when you put that next to Origins' engine as a whole, both end up being almost equally as annoying.  Id rather trapes through the same dungeon over and over again than deal with snail paced combat, and shuffling into position to initiate combat, for example.  Just because you didnt enjoy DA2, doesnt mean it's impossible for others to enjoy it.  Does my enjoying it make me a simple minded person? Absolutely not,  at a 137 IQ, I'd say Im hardly simple minded.  Like I said, I could almost quite literally write volumes on the things I found wrong with Origins.  And I can even turn your arguement to you and ask you the same thing?  How can you play Origins more than once with all of the broken mechanics it had in it?

Pasquale1234 wrote...
And since making the correct assumptions seems to be so important to a couple of you, I'm sure that you will be the first ones here to post "I was wrong - I'm the one who was delusional" threads if / when it is announced that voice protag will either be unavailable or can be toggled off on a new release - right?

Seeing as how Im one of the folks who supported a toggle-able voice? (Then again, you'd know that already if you followed any of my posts on this topic when that comprimise was mentioned but apparently that requires too much effort yea?)  And as I said in my previous post, there is no "I was wrong, I was the one that was delusional" because even with a voice over toggle, Im still right when you split the proverbial hairs over it.  A toggle is going to be the closest thing to me being wrong about this that you're going to get.  So me having to eat crow over it? Not even a concern because Im right.  The end.

Modifié par Aradace, 21 septembre 2011 - 04:17 .

[Aradace]

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Modifié par Aradace, 21 septembre 2011 - 04:17 .

[jbrand2002uk]

Klume i say the answer to why you found the art style bland etc is answered in your own post and here's the selected part from said post:
"Also i played both on PS3, i never ever encountered problems where it couldn't process the game or any loading issues on either games."

The answer is because you played the console version, i play the PC version with 1920x1080 resolution with the High-Resolution texture pack and all DX11 options on.

My point is this lets take Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1 take any random screenshot from the PS3/360 Version and compare to a likewise Screen from a PC version ran on a high end rig with all the detail options cranked up to the max and the differences are astounding the PC version screen makes the screenshot off the PS3/360 look like it came of a SNES or a Sega Megadrive from the 80's .

[csfteeeer]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Klume i say the answer to why you found the art style bland etc is answered in your own post and here's the selected part from said post:
"Also i played both on PS3, i never ever encountered problems where it couldn't process the game or any loading issues on either games."

The answer is because you played the console version, i play the PC version with 1920x1080 resolution with the High-Resolution texture pack and all DX11 options on.

My point is this lets take Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1 take any random screenshot from the PS3/360 Version and compare to a likewise Screen from a PC version ran on a high end rig with all the detail options cranked up to the max and the differences are astounding the PC version screen makes the screenshot off the PS3/360 look like it came of a SNES or a Sega Megadrive from the 80's .

So People call this astounding now?
i would really like to see how people call This or This

[Pasquale1234]

Aradace wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...
And since making the correct assumptions seems to be so important to a couple of you, I'm sure that you will be the first ones here to post "I was wrong - I'm the one who was delusional" threads if / when it is announced that voice protag will either be unavailable or can be toggled off on a new release - right?

Seeing as how Im one of the folks who supported a toggle-able voice? (Then again, you'd know that already if you followed any of my posts on this topic when that comprimise was mentioned but apparently that requires too much effort yea?)  And as I said in my previous post, there is no "I was wrong, I was the one that was delusional" because even with a voice over toggle, Im still right when you split the proverbial hairs over it.  A toggle is going to be the closest thing to me being wrong about this that you're going to get.  So me having to eat crow over it? Not even a concern because Im right.  The end.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.  You'll be here crowing "I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, everyone who wants something different is naive and delusional" until it turns out that you are wrong about something, at which time you will slink away never to return.

[jbrand2002uk]

csfteeeer wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Klume i say the answer to why you found the art style bland etc is answered in your own post and here's the selected part from said post:
"Also i played both on PS3, i never ever encountered problems where it couldn't process the game or any loading issues on either games."

The answer is because you played the console version, i play the PC version with 1920x1080 resolution with the High-Resolution texture pack and all DX11 options on.

My point is this lets take Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1 take any random screenshot from the PS3/360 Version and compare to a likewise Screen from a PC version ran on a high end rig with all the detail options cranked up to the max and the differences are astounding the PC version screen makes the screenshot off the PS3/360 look like it came of a SNES or a Sega Megadrive from the 80's .

So People call this astounding now?
i would really like to see how people call This or This

I'm just astounded that its not common knowledge to some that some parts of a game on a console are scaled down compared to a PC purely because a console is never as capable or as flexible as a PC , what wouldn't astound me however is that when they start to run short of things to complain about the next excuse will be " I dont like DA2 because i cant choose a haircolour for Hawke that doesn't clash with my handbag":D

[Aradace]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...
And since making the correct assumptions seems to be so important to a couple of you, I'm sure that you will be the first ones here to post "I was wrong - I'm the one who was delusional" threads if / when it is announced that voice protag will either be unavailable or can be toggled off on a new release - right?

Seeing as how Im one of the folks who supported a toggle-able voice? (Then again, you'd know that already if you followed any of my posts on this topic when that comprimise was mentioned but apparently that requires too much effort yea?)  And as I said in my previous post, there is no "I was wrong, I was the one that was delusional" because even with a voice over toggle, Im still right when you split the proverbial hairs over it.  A toggle is going to be the closest thing to me being wrong about this that you're going to get.  So me having to eat crow over it? Not even a concern because Im right.  The end.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.  You'll be here crowing "I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, everyone who wants something different is naive and delusional" until it turns out that you are wrong about something, at which time you will slink away never to return.

Not at all.  For the sake of your naive arguement, let's say that Im wrong.  I will and have in the past, stated here when I was wrong about something.  Its no big deal if Im wrong, it just means that I wasnt right.  *shrugs* Then I move on.  As far as your suspicions go, again, if you had been following me for any length of time, you'd know that I give credit when it's due.  But once again, you'd rather operate off of your preconceptions of the kind of person you THINK I am.  That's ok, I dont mind, you're not the first and you certainly wont be the last because in all honesty, it doesnt bother me.  In the immortal words of Isabela; "They dont know me, I know me."  So any "suspicion" you have, is just that, nothing more 

[Pasquale1234]

Aradace wrote...
Not at all.  For the sake of your naive arguement, let's say that Im wrong.  I will and have in the past, stated here when I was wrong about something.  Its no big deal if Im wrong, it just means that I wasnt right.  *shrugs* Then I move on.  As far as your suspicions go, again, if you had been following me for any length of time, you'd know that I give credit when it's due.  But once again, you'd rather operate off of your preconceptions of the kind of person you THINK I am.  That's ok, I dont mind, you're not the first and you certainly wont be the last because in all honesty, it doesnt bother me.  In the immortal words of Isabela; "They dont know me, I know me."  So any "suspicion" you have, is just that, nothing more 

Glad to hear it.

I've only read the last couple of pages of this thread, and in some of your posts, you come across as someone who is heavily invested in some need to be right - to the point of expressing great delight over someone else who is not able to get what they might want out of a game, just as long as you are proven to be right.

But, whatever.  I'll take you at your word.

[Aradace]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Aradace wrote...
Not at all.  For the sake of your naive arguement, let's say that Im wrong.  I will and have in the past, stated here when I was wrong about something.  Its no big deal if Im wrong, it just means that I wasnt right.  *shrugs* Then I move on.  As far as your suspicions go, again, if you had been following me for any length of time, you'd know that I give credit when it's due.  But once again, you'd rather operate off of your preconceptions of the kind of person you THINK I am.  That's ok, I dont mind, you're not the first and you certainly wont be the last because in all honesty, it doesnt bother me.  In the immortal words of Isabela; "They dont know me, I know me."  So any "suspicion" you have, is just that, nothing more 

Glad to hear it.

I've only read the last couple of pages of this thread, and in some of your posts, you come across as someone who is heavily invested in some need to be right - to the point of expressing great delight over someone else who is not able to get what they might want out of a game, just as long as you are proven to be right.

But, whatever.  I'll take you at your word.

I appreciate the sentiment.  However, my point was never, as you put it, "heavily invested in some need to be right - to the point of expressing great delight over someone else who is not able to get what they might want out of a game, just as long as you are proven to be right.".  Not at all.  What I take issue with, is when information is clearly given, and put before people, and then they still either reject, or deny it tooth-and-nail, trying to still somehow justify how they might still get their way.  Beyond that, I bare no personal grudges against anyone.  Hell, in fact, I love just about everyone here even when/if they dont agree with me and even if the sentiment isnt reciprocated.  There are literally 3 people...3...In this entire network that I can honestly say Im not very fond of.  One of those people knows exactly who he is.  The other two, I wont name names.  

Point is I guess.  When I express my point or opinion on something, it's not because Im an evil bastardo that wants to see others suffer.  Far from it.  It's because in my opinion, Im alot more "passionate" about expressing said point, or opinion, than most other folks on here, with a few exceptions I think.  

[Uccio]

Silent if it means getting back the Origins discussion model. I hate DA2 kiddie wheel.

[jbrand2002uk]

Seems the "kiddie wheel" is here to stay and so it should

[RagingCyclone]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Seems the "kiddie wheel" is here to stay and so it should

Yes it is. While I am one that may not like it, there is an old adage:

Adjust, adapt, or move on.

For the story...I choose to adjust.

[jbrand2002uk]

RagingCyclone wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Seems the "kiddie wheel" is here to stay and so it should

Yes it is. While I am one that may not like it, there is an old adage:

Adjust, adapt, or move on.

For the story...I choose to adjust.

Well I for 1 am glad you have at least made the effort to try something different even if your not keen on, just a shame some people dont follow this common sense approach 

[RagingCyclone]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Seems the "kiddie wheel" is here to stay and so it should

Yes it is. While I am one that may not like it, there is an old adage:

Adjust, adapt, or move on.

For the story...I choose to adjust.

Well I for 1 am glad you have at least made the effort to try something different even if your not keen on, just a shame some people dont follow this common sense approach 

Don't misunderstand me, I don't agree that it should stay. But the devs have already stated it is, so one can just accept it and adjust to it or move on to something else. I just hope they fix the damned facial models because 3 of my 6 Hawkes have this annoying teeth clipping issue when they talk. Anders also had the same issue which is why I use a mod for his face. DA2 has many flaws, and if they intend to keep the voiced protagonist as they have said they are, then please for the love of all that is holy fix the facial models.

[Uccio]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Seems the "kiddie wheel" is here to stay and so it should

Yes it is. While I am one that may not like it, there is an old adage:

Adjust, adapt, or move on.

For the story...I choose to adjust.

Well I for 1 am glad you have at least made the effort to try something different even if your not keen on, just a shame some people dont follow this common sense approach 

Its not moving on nor different. Its a simple-tool for simple minded.

[jbrand2002uk]

Well since as I'm one who likes this "kiddie " wheel god help most people if it makes me with an IQ of 175 simple minded for simply liking the change .

[Aradace]

Ukki wrote...

Its not moving on nor different. Its a simple-tool for simple minded.

Nice hyperbole.  Too bad the simple minded part isnt true.