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[Lestatman]

From looking round posts there seems to be a majority of people who want this Templar as a companion and as a romance option.  Really?

Am I the only one who dislikes this character due to his views on mages and if you read the epilogue in Origins when he takes over the Circle he is worse than Meridith with his behaviour towards the mages.   Even in DA2 he continues to hold this extreme view because of his experience all mages are dangerous and I know some will say at the end he does stick up for you against Meridith, well he was there with her to arrest you and only backed off when he realised Meridith is bonkers and being the coward he is probably realised he's better off in the winning team.

My fear is Bioware prob might make him a companion in DA3 my only hope like Fenris you have the option whether to recruit him or not.

[rak72]

I love him. If they had Cullen and Nathanial as romancable companions without pulling an Anders on them, I would be so giddy that they would need to have me committed.

[bleetman]

I like him as a character, because he's one of those Templars who balances being anti-mage without being a frothing lunatic. He still sees right from wrong to an extent, even if his idea of "right" isn't exactly something I'd share, and standing up to Meredith earned him some points. But I don't actually like him as a person, no. He might not be blinded by his 'mages aren't people like you and me' belief as much as some others you run into, but it's still not a stance I can respect.

And, well...

Modifié par bleetman, 06 août 2011 - 09:21 .

[Drone696]

I don't like him. But I can't blame him for his views - he's a indoctrinated, misguided fool like many templars.

edit: great character, though.

Modifié par rapunzel696, 06 août 2011 - 09:52 .

[Sundance31us]

In DA2 he's my favorite Templar.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I see Cullen as a victim of the Templar indoctrination system. Probably sent to the order at a young age by no choice of his own, like Alistair but perhaps even younger, and completely brainwashed as he grew up. I don't see his support for the Champion in the ending as a mercenary decision to be on the winning side... I think Cullen has a pretty strong personal code of ethics, just one that has been seriously bent by decades of brainwashing. I think there's some hope for him... I'd only really like him if you get a chance to break his brainwashing a bit, if you recruit him.

I actually like Cullen more than Sebastian, because I feel like there's more to him. Cullen is the exact kind of person a pro-mage movement has to try to reach. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

As for his DA:O ending cards, I think most of those have been established as "questionably canon" at this point.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 06 août 2011 - 09:28 .

[Lestatman]

Do you think the problem then is how DA2 was contructed in terms of how you interact with characters both companions and other npc as it feels I don't really get a sense of who they are but get little bits here and there unlike Origins where I felt I knew the characters much better.

[Knight of Dane]

I don't like or dislike him, as a character i think he's quite well written, but if i met him in real life i probably wouldn't get along with him.

Have him as a companion and romance? Sure why not, but by now he feels like a rola aka. Joker from ME. He's in both games with minor roles but i haven't have any proper insight into him to judge if any of my characters would want to romance him.

[Wulfram]

I dislike his actions at the end of the game. Helping Meredith slaughter loads of innocent mages but defending Apostate Hawke makes no sense.

[Sundance31us]

Before judging him consider the following:

[metalgirl-1]

I think he's well written character but I also do not understand all the Cullen love. If he were a companion or LI I personally would probably ignore him or not recruit him. But to each their own.

[Sinaxi]

Uhhh...as far as Templars go I suppose he's all right. I feel like we have seen a lot of him though compared to other Templars. As far as wanting him as an LI I don't see what all the fuss is about. He's okay. That's really all I can say about him. Lol, I don't really hate him or like him. If I had to choose I would lean towards not liking him because of his brainwashed attitudes. But I'm glad he's not a complete psycho in DA2. I still don't really think he would stop serving the Templars though, he is definitely a believer of Circles..and he even said at one point he could understand the whole "Tranquil Solution" deal which is enough for me to not like him.

Modifié par Tidra, 06 août 2011 - 10:32 .

[Wulfram]

Sundance31us wrote...

Before judging him consider the following:

I'd have more sympathy for him if he genuinely believed the annullment was right, rather than him knowing it is wrong and still following his orders.

[Sinaxi]

^ Hahaha. Man. The one that really gets me is Carver as a Templar though. It is so pathetic it's not even funny. The only time he finally decides to stop listening to Meredith is when he finds out she's planning on hacking Hawke to little pieces, other than that he is like her lapdog. It makes me so sick. He had 2 siblings and a father that were Mages...like there are no words for how mad Templar Carver makes me..>.<

He is definitely a better guy as a Grey Warden, I was amazed when I did the Templar runthrough just to see what it was like and he was all "WTF?!!! YOU'RE SIDING AGAINST YOUR *OWN* PEOPLE?!" I was in shock and awe for about a minute that he had that reaction to Mage Hawke. It made me happy.

[Addai]

No. I could care less if I ever see him again. The idea of him being turned into an LI is gag-worthy.

[Masako52]

I, well. I like him, but he's kind of a dick, isn't he? My "main" and favorite playthrough of DAO, I played as a female human mage. I thought it was kind of sweet how he had a crush on Amell (the mage's last name/Hawke's family), despite his rather militaristic Templar views. It's a bit Romeo and Juliet. Like, during the Harrowing, he tells you he was assigned to kill you if you failed. He would have been sad to do it, but he would have done it. I like that kind of story - Cullen isn't willing to sacrifice the things he believes are right, and in the end, that's more important - but he still has a crush with you, and he struggles with reconciling that and finding a compromise (when there really isn't one.)

He's all right in DA2. As far as I remember he's a bit on the more liberal side as far as Templars go.

I kind of think he's one of the more interesting and developed minor characters in the DA world, but if he's featured in another game, it might be too much. I worry that taking minor characters and making them leads can be really good, but also can be overkill because some characters are simply better and more effective in the background.

[Sjofn]

I like what they did with him in DA2 and wouldn't mind him showing up again later, but I don't get the whole OMG MAKE HIM A LI obsession.

[Ryzaki]

Uh no...?

You could say "does everyone like getting money for free?" And someone SOMEWHERE will say no.

[Saberchic]

rak72 wrote...

I love him. If they had Cullen and Nathanial as romancable companions without pulling an Anders on them, I would be so giddy that they would need to have me committed.

^Me too.

I don't know about "everyone," but I like him.
I think his story was really well done. He has depth, and I like that he's conflicted.

[LadyJaneGrey]

I find him an interesting character, but I really do not want him as a companion.  My protagonists need companions who are not blind and/or incompetent.  Yes, I know much of his seeming stupidity stems from "the plot dictates" reasons, but that doesn't make it any less irritating. 

[FieryDove]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I see Cullen as a victim of the Templar indoctrination system. Probably sent to the order at a young age by no choice of his own, like Alistair but perhaps even younger, and completely brainwashed as he grew up. I don't see his support for the Champion in the ending as a mercenary decision to be on the winning side... I think Cullen has a pretty strong personal code of ethics, just one that has been seriously bent by decades of brainwashing. I think there's some hope for him... I'd only really like him if you get a chance to break his brainwashing a bit, if you recruit him.

I actually like Cullen more than Sebastian, because I feel like there's more to him. Cullen is the exact kind of person a pro-mage movement has to try to reach. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

^ I agree with this.

[Sifr]

The thing most people forget about Cullen is that he was both tortured and mind-raped by Uldred and the Blood-Mages for months on end before the Warden showed up to rescue him... which depending on when exactly Uldred went insane gives him possibly at least six months of this after the Mage Warden left, judging by the dialogue with the ferryman.

Remember that Cullen is the last Templar left alive in the Tower proper, as every other one is either dead or posessed. Couple with that he's been surrounded by corpses of Mages and Templars he knew, darkspawn, demons, and abominations, of course thats going to leave some deep psychological scars and hang-ups when it comes to how he feels about magic in general.

The guy is right when he tells you how dangerous magic can be.

That being said, I think ultimately Cullen is a far better Templar than most simply because he seems to approach his job as simply enforcing the rules to keep people safe from Mages but more importantly keep the Mages safe from themselves and the power they weild lest it destroy them.

Not to mention the fact that despite everything he suffered at the hands of Uldred, he still holds a torch for the Female Mage Warden, even by the time of Dragon Age 2, is something I find rather endearing about his character. The guy is definitely one of the most consistently and well written minor characters.

Modifié par Sifr1449, 07 août 2011 - 03:56 .

[Nhadalie]

To answer the Cullen LI obsession, it's because he's adorably shy and awkward when it comes to women. A perfect example of this is if the Warden was a female mage. He actually had the biggest crush on her, and when Uldred took over with his demons, it was her face that the demon took to terrorize him. Because Amell mattered to him. Cullen and Amell had the whole star crossed lovers situation going on, and many of us wish that there had been some kind of closure to it. Especially if we ended up romancing Alistair, and got the whole "Well, I'll be king, but you're a mage.. So we can't officially be together. But you could be mine on the side, and I'll eventually have to marry someone else to have children too." talk. Because really, it makes a fantastic story to think about Amell running back to the Circle, and helping Cullen overcome his issues from the tortures he endured.

The devs have mentioned once before that if they had known Cullen would be so popular, they would've fleshed out his story a bit more in Origins. Perhaps they succeeded in DA2. I loved seeing Cullen in DA2, and I'd love for him to have a part to play in future games or DLC. The mere fact that he doesn't completely agree with Meredith on how to treat the mages, and take over Kirkwall entirely says a lot about him. Especially if the Warden was Amell or Surana. Overcoming an experience like he went through at Uldred's hands would've been difficult enough without the demons tempting him with Amell/Surana. I can't imagine how hard it must be to go through that without taking an extreme anti-mage view. Yet he somehow manages to realize that Meredith's actions are wrong, to work with an apostate/someone who is friends with apostates, and to even go out of his way to flout Meredith's orders in some ways.(He warns Hawke through a letter to trigger Aveline's personal quest, Fault and Favor, in Act 3. To prevent her from losing her position, and having the templars in complete control of Kirkwall.)

[Sepewrath]

Wulfram wrote...

I dislike his actions at the end of the game. Helping Meredith slaughter loads of innocent mages but defending Apostate Hawke makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense, by that point she is going absolutely insane, threatning everyone in the area, she was no longer fit to lead. I would assume she wasn't behaving like that during the mage killing.