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[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Also, death is likely only conqured under relatively specific circumstances (death by asphyxiation and vacuum exposure).

Which surely can't be a rare cause of death for beings which routinely travel, work, or live in space.

Most of the time, those victims would be retrieved either very quickly or not at all, though.

So we agree that researchers would have plenty of subjects to choose from for their projects as well as motivation to do so, which would be eliminating one of the common hazards of space travel--being accidentally spaced.

[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

 
Shepard was only different b/c of the extent of damage and amount of time after the cease in heart function involved. He/she only remained viable because his/her body was placed into stasis reasonably quickly, and other environmental factors before stasis was applied were conductive in the overall preservation of Shepard's body.

For example, Lazarus would likely not be able to revive Sidonus after Garrus's headshot due to the nature of the damage done to the brain.

Wrong. In Redemption, it told us that it took nearly a month to find PIECES of Shepards' remains. The body was so shattered that you couldn't tell if it was male or female. Shepard's body burned up and then HIT the ground afterwards. That's pretty much mean this isn't your typical body perserved and resurrected scenario. Miranda and her team had to piece together the remnants of Shepard's body and I seriously doubt that any alien race could have the tech to do that besides our beloved Reapers. 

So if anything, the Lazurus Project didn't really have the most ideal subject.

I may just be tired, but I did not see anything you wrote that contradicts anything that I did. I acknowledge that Lazarus was a major achievement due to the time of death involved. I was just pointing out that most of the major tech involved, with replacement implants being the most vital, IMO, probably already existed.

Except never ever once have we had any indication or evidence that bringing people back from the dead is possible in Mass Effect, prior to the singular exception of Shepard. And it just so happens that the organization responsible for this achievement also had access to Reaper technology, which far surpasses any conventional technology. 

What a remarkable coincidence. Oh well, I'll just stop thinking about that. There's probably no connection. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 08:54 .

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

So we agree that researchers would have plenty of subjects to choose from for their projects as well as motivation to do so, which would be eliminating one of the common hazards of space travel--being accidentally spaced.

Yes, on that point. The disagreement is weather they have not already come up with a passable solution that would also work for Shepard's situation.

[SandTrout]

Except never ever once have we had any indication or evidence that bringing people back from the dead is possible in Mass Effect, prior to the singular exception of Shepard. And it just so happens that the organization responsible for this achievement also had access to Reaper technology, which far surpasses any conventional technology.

What a remarkable coincidence.

To be perfectly honest, the technology may already exist in the modern day. Depending on length of exposure to vacuum, you might be able to get away with a defibrillator and CPR.

[Praetor Knight]

SandTrout wrote...

Except never ever once have we had any indication or evidence that bringing people back from the dead is possible in Mass Effect, prior to the singular exception of Shepard. And it just so happens that the organization responsible for this achievement also had access to Reaper technology, which far surpasses any conventional technology.

What a remarkable coincidence.

To be perfectly honest, the technology may already exist in the modern day. Depending on length of exposure to vacuum, you might be able to get away with a defibrillator and CPR.

With the main concern being; having the individual, in question, in a coma state or not.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 07 août 2011 - 09:00 .

[SandTrout]

@Praetor Shepard,

Pretty much. This is why it doesn't seem unreasonable to be that Lazarus could be achieved sans-Reapertech. Reapertech may have been involved, it may not have been.

[marshalleck]

But Shepard was not merely comatose. According to Jacob, he was a mess of "meat and tubes" when they brought him in.

Which brings us back to my original point: only the Lazarus cell has the capability to deal with a subject in such a condition. And they possess Reaper tech. We know that with absolute certainty. The conclusions that can be drawn from this are pretty obvious.

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 09:07 .

[marshalleck]

I suppose we could approach this from another angle.

Do we know any other characters in Mass Effect which had luminescent implants glowing through their skin?

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 09:10 .

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

But Shepard was not merely comatose. According to Jacob, he was a mess of "meat and tubes" when they brought him in.

Physical reconstruction is the least of our worries, I think. Modern prosthetic are nearly fully functional, including some interesting devices that can bypass severed sections of the spinal column in order to allow paraplegics to use their legs. Age that tech for a couple centuries and combine it with some skilled plastic surgeons and the only remaining hurdle is any brain damage.

[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

But Shepard was not merely comatose. According to Jacob, he was a mess of "meat and tubes" when they brought him in.

Physical reconstruction is the least of our worries, I think. Modern prosthetic are nearly fully functional, including some interesting devices that can bypass severed sections of the spinal column in order to allow paraplegics to use their legs. Age that tech for a couple centuries and combine it with some skilled plastic surgeons and the only remaining hurdle is any brain damage.

So you're suggesting that bringing people back from a pile of gibs is an unremarkable achievement. Just, for some reason, it never once happened to anyone in the history of the galaxy before Shepard. 

Makes perfect sense. 

I understand that you really, really don't want Shepard to have Reaper tech in him but I think you need to honestly face your fears and begin to accept it. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 09:13 .

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

I suppose we could approach this from another angle.

Do we know any other characters in Mass Effect which had luminescent implants glowing through their skin?

Eh, well, TIM, but that's not really in favor of my stance, so in true internet fassion, I think I will just ignore that little bit .

Truthfully, though, no, I cannot think of one, but Shepard's rehabilitation was interupted as well.

[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I suppose we could approach this from another angle.

Do we know any other characters in Mass Effect which had luminescent implants glowing through their skin?

Eh, well, TIM, but that's not really in favor of my stance, so in true internet fassion, I think I will just ignore that little bit .

Truthfully, though, no, I cannot think of one, but Shepard's rehabilitation was interupted as well.

I wonder where he got the pretty blue lights? Probably some aesthetic implant shop in one of the Citadel's touristy shopping centers.

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 09:15 .

[Praetor Knight]

marshalleck wrote...

But Shepard was not merely comatose. According to Jacob, he was a mess of "meat and tubes" when they brought him in.

Which brings us back to my original point: only the Lazarus cell has the capability to deal with a subject in such a condition. And they possess Reaper tech. We know that with absolute certainty. The conclusions that can be drawn from this are pretty obvious.

As much as I like Jacob, he does have his demons, so I wonder if he only saw a lab for fixing Shepard; while Miranda kept Jacob away from the actual lab with whatever of Shepard was recovered from the Collectors.

Miranda does seem to have a better memory than the poor boy.

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

So you're suggesting that bringing people back from a pile of gibs is an unremarkable achievement. Just, for some reason, it never once happened to anyone in the history of the galaxy before Shepard.

Makes perfect sense.

I understand that you really, really don't want Shepard to have Reaper tech in him but I think you need to honestly face your fears and begin to accept it.

It does make sense if you consider that the main achievement of Lazarus was the repair of brain damage rather than the physical reconstruction.

And no, I do not want Shepard to have Reaper tech in him, but I think that you really do want him to have Reaper tech in him, though I'm not sure of why. I personally think it cheapens the storyline to have every single major advancement to be a direct result of salvaged Reaper Technology.

We should be allowed to achieve on our own, not solely by climbing upon the corpses of our technological superiors.

As for the Saren thing, he had those pretty blue lights before he allowed Sovereign to implant him. The physical implants occurred in the time between Vermire, where that picture is from, and the BotC, if you believe Saren's description of events.

[marshalleck]

It's not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what the game consistently tells us about entities with glowing implants.

Husks, glowing implants = Reaper tech
Saren, glowin implants = Reaper tech
TIM, glowing eyes = Reaper tech (Reaper energey zap?)

Shepard, glowing implants = NO GUYS ITS PERFECTLY NORMAL

???

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 09:24 .

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

It's not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what the game consistently tells us about entities with glowing implants.

Husks, glowing implants = Reaper tech
Saren, glowin implants = Reaper tech
TIM, glowing eyes = Reaper tech (Reaper energey zap?)

Shepard, glowing implants = NO GUYS ITS PERFECTLY NORMAL

???

Well there ain't much that qualifies as 'normal' within 10km of Shepard. I really do not have a counter-argument to the glowing implant thing, though.

I guess we will find out in ME3. /shrug

[FERMi27]

The fact that the kid is the last one who enters on board of the rescue ship doesn't quite make sense. Though the majority takes this as a confirmation that he is not a hallucination. Why are the people so narrow minded? Just think about it, Shepard's subconsciousness hopes so much for that kid to be rescued that, in the end, it paints such a picture in his head. Otherwise he would've been on board among the first ones, and not the very last one.

Modifié par FERMi27, 07 août 2011 - 09:31 .

[marshalleck]

FERMi27 wrote...

The fact that the kid is the last one who enters on board of the rescue ship doesn't quite make sense. Though the majority takes this as a confirmation that he is not a hallucination. Why are the people so narrow minded? Just think about it, Shepard's subconsciousness hopes so much for that kid to be rescued that, in the end, it paints such a picture in his head. Otherwise he would've been on board among the first ones, and not the very last one.

How do you know Shepard isn't really just an incredibly bored coffee barista who is daydreaming the entire saga?

[FERMi27]

marshalleck wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

The fact that the kid is the last one who enters on board of the rescue ship doesn't quite make sense. Though the majority takes this as a confirmation that he is not a hallucination. Why are the people so narrow minded? Just think about it, Shepard's subconsciousness hopes so much for that kid to be rescued that, in the end, it paints such a picture in his head. Otherwise he would've been on board among the first ones, and not the very last one.

How do you know Shepard isn't really just an incredibly bored coffee barista who is daydreaming the entire saga?

He can feel pain.

[marshalleck]

I can imagine pain. That doesn't make it real! Ergo the entire series is the product of coffeeShep's hyperactive imagination.

[Praetor Knight]

marshalleck wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

The fact that the kid is the last one who enters on board of the rescue ship doesn't quite make sense. Though the majority takes this as a confirmation that he is not a hallucination. Why are the people so narrow minded? Just think about it, Shepard's subconsciousness hopes so much for that kid to be rescued that, in the end, it paints such a picture in his head. Otherwise he would've been on board among the first ones, and not the very last one.

How do you know Shepard isn't really just an incredibly bored coffee barista who is daydreaming the entire saga?

oh, these thoughts conjure up Total Recall.

[FERMi27]

Y ok, then what's the point in this thread and many others?

[SandTrout]

I think that we should avoid discussing theories that, if implemented, would result in the sacking of BioWare's headquarters.

[marshalleck]

FERMi27 wrote...

Y ok, then what's the point in this thread and many others?

Sometimes a kid in an air duct really is just a kid in an air duct.

[Praetor Knight]

FERMi27 wrote...

Y ok, then what's the point in this thread and many others?

No real point beyond wild speculation.

then wilder speculation from wild speculation.

And so on and so forth.