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[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fenris pretty much points out that those Magister who doesn't, are the bottom of the food chain in Tevinter. Right above the normal mages and slaves, that is.

I dont put much stock on what Fenris says. He is an ignorant biased and hate ridden

[Zanallen]

Of course. Orlais is an empire. By definition, it is going to have a lot of similarities with the Tevinter Imperium. The differences are what are important. Orlais isn't ruled by mages, a feared minority. Instead, they "protect the common people" from the "dangers of mages" while "promoting the majority religion". They also don't commit mass murder to fuel their blood magic spells, so there is that.

[Rifneno]

Ghost1041 wrote...

Two reasons I would chose the Imperium over Orlais. Tevinter wrong in many ways is right about the Qunari, they know that they will eventually return to try and conquer everyone. The Archon can't do it alone enlist today! And the other reason I wouldn't choose Orlais? They are SOOOOOO Orlaisian

Very true.  It's amazing that Tevinter is the only country not completely naive about the hornheads.

[Zanallen]

Rifneno wrote...

Ghost1041 wrote...

Two reasons I would chose the Imperium over Orlais. Tevinter wrong in many ways is right about the Qunari, they know that they will eventually return to try and conquer everyone. The Archon can't do it alone enlist today! And the other reason I wouldn't choose Orlais? They are SOOOOOO Orlaisian

Very true.  It's amazing that Tevinter is the only country not completely naive about the hornheads.

The Tevinters have the most to lose if the Qunari take over.

[Medhia Nox]

Tevinter - I hope I get to kill more of those mages in the next game.

This whole "whiny mage freedom" nonsense bores me - let me cut down Tevinter wizards like shafts of wheat before a scythe.

[Ghost1041]

What I don't understand is how an army of shirtless hornheads who chuck spears like natives are a threat. I was really disappointed with how they were portrayed in da2.

[Zanallen]

Ghost1041 wrote...

What I don't understand is how an army of shirtless hornheads who chuck spears like natives are a threat. I was really disappointed with how they were portrayed in da2.

They have mages and cannons. Plus, with their size and strength, they could most likely best any warrior one for one. They could use some armor, but whatever.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Armor would be impractical for seaborne warriors. At least the amount of armor im assuming people would like to see.

[Zanallen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Armor would be impractical for seaborne warriors. At least the amount of armor im assuming people would like to see.

True. Plate would be stupid. Boiled leather would be about what I would expect. Maybe shields of some form.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Who's to say that they didn't bring those things? They might well have lost them while their ship sank.

[TEWR]

they probably had more armor, but abandoned it during the storm and were only able to save a few things, like the gaatlok recipe and the saar-qamek recipe.

I imagine they shipwrecked somewhere along the Wounded Coast (since we see many ships shipwrecked there) and when the storm was over they salvaged what they could.

[Zanallen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Who's to say that they didn't bring those things? They might well have lost them while their ship sank.

I was only addressing why the Qunari are considered a threat. They are giant warrior backed by cannons and mages. Personally, if they ever show an actual Qunari army, I would like to see them dressed kind of like samurai. What pieces of armor that the Arishok did have already had an eastern feel.

[Vit246]

Do the developers even have an idea of what kind of armor that a properly equipped Qunari army uses? I would prefer to have seen that instead of the generic half-naked barbarians in DA2.

Modifié par Vit246, 07 août 2011 - 10:25 .

[Zanallen]

Vit246 wrote...

Do the developers even have an idea of what kind of armor that a properly equipped Qunari army uses? I would prefer to have seen that instead of the generic half-naked barbarians in DA2.

They probably do, though we haven't seen any art for it yet. The Qunari in DA2 were shipwrecked sailors though, not an invasion force.

[blothulfur]

The qunari depicted in dragon age 2 were the brazen lies of an effete midget, you will yet see the hordes of the antaam clad in steel, in perfect formation and of warlike mein for if this Orlais is another beast empire it too must fall and be taught civilisation.

[Wulfram]

Vit246 wrote...

Do the developers even have an idea of what kind of armor that a properly equipped Qunari army uses? I would prefer to have seen that instead of the generic half-naked barbarians in DA2.

There was a codex in Origins which referred to their "glittering steel armour"

[EmperorSahlertz]

Glittering steel armor, and since their architecture is inspired by Mayan architecture, I'd guess their armor would be nothing like Samurai.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 07 août 2011 - 10:35 .

[Zanallen]

The Mayans didn't really wear armor, so I doubt that will be much of an inspiration. Glittering steel armor could mean anything and samurai armor was made of metal as well, so it could work. Also, something about the Arishok's armor just seems Japanese to me.

[EmperorSahlertz]

It will probably be more original than just inspired by one of our worlds cultures. And especially since the Mayans didn't wear any armor at all, the devs have a lot of free reign over how a fully armored Qunari will look.

[Rifneno]

Will the qunari also wrote a calendar for many centuries to come so idiots in the coming ages can claim the world's end by it?

[Sepewrath]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Same bs, different methods.

Simple as that. The Tevinters used magic and believed that they were gods, and the Chantry believes itself to be the voice and hand of the Maker and anything they say and do is the Maker's will. And both sides are willing to smite, subjugate, and conquer anything that doesn't agree with them or does something they don't approve of.

I don't really see much difference.

Not the same, not even remotely. You can smite, subjugate, and conquer all you want, but eventually, people will fight you back, that is why Tevinter lost their empire. What Orlais does is use religion to extend their power, if you control the hearts and mind of people, you don't have to smite, subjugate or conquer, they will lay down for you, In fact, they will defend you aka The Exalted Marches. They use the Chantry to worm their influence into ever facet of society, the Circle of Magi, a CHURCH has established a LAW, that allows them to use their army, who has free reign to go just about anywhere to imprison and/or kill whoever they feel like and people celebrate it.

No its a whole different ballgame their playing, they don't have to sink a city to conquer it, they don't have to control people with overwhelming power, all they have to do is read a few words from a book. And people will fall on a sword for them.

[dragonflight288]

Not the same, not even remotely. You can smite, subjugate, and conquer all you want, but eventually, people will fight you back, that is why Tevinter lost their empire. What Orlais does is use religion to extend their power, if you control the hearts and mind of people, you don't have to smite, subjugate or conquer, they will lay down for you, In fact, they will defend you aka The Exalted Marches. They use the Chantry to worm their influence into ever facet of society, the Circle of Magi, a CHURCH has established a LAW, that allows them to use their army, who has free reign to go just about anywhere to imprison and/or kill whoever they feel like and people celebrate it.

No its a whole different ballgame their playing, they don't have to sink a city to conquer it, they don't have to control people with overwhelming power, all they have to do is read a few words from a book. And people will fall on a sword for them.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, having seen many illiterate commoners throughout Origins, Awakening, and 2 sing praises to the Chantry because they grew up in a society under its influence. But the problem comes in when the Chantry wants to convert a people. They actually rely heavily on templars and exalted marches, forcing various people to convert. They attempt this to the Dalish in DA2.

Which is why I honestly want to see Nevarra in DA3 or a DLC. Nevarra has accepted the chant but it's also one of the only nations never conquered by Orlais. Their view on how to treat mages may be very different as part of their culture.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Ironically Nevarra is almost as expansionistic as Orlais, yet they aren't the seat of the Chantry, so they aren't villified.

[Herr Uhl]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Ironically Nevarra is almost as expansionistic as Orlais, yet they aren't the seat of the Chantry, so they aren't villified.

I think much of the ire is due to the first hand accounts of the Orlesian occupation. Not much is known about Nevarra or how they treat their conquered lands.

[dragonflight288]

Ironically Nevarra is almost as expansionistic as Orlais, yet they aren't the seat of the Chantry, so they aren't villified.

<_<

Actually the only reason I'm not speaking out against Nevarra is because I haven't seen anything in game or from the codex entires that speak out against Nevarra. It is expansionistic, and it will have just as much corruption in their politics as anywhere else. That's why I want to see Nevarra. See with my own eyes and form my own opinions.

Orlais has a pretty strong history of violence and bloodshed whil working in tandem with the Chantry.

Tevinter has a strong history of blood magic and large scale blood sacrifices.

The Qunari have a strong history of indoctrination and removing free will.

These are all things we have seen. I can't speak out against what I have not.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 08 août 2011 - 01:22 .