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[Johnny34]

Certain death can change someones views, would be interesting I guess.

[AdmiralCheez]

I do not support a Samara romance. Shepard needs to get turned down by hot space babes more frequently, and the fact that she's out of reach makes her more alluring. Besides, we need more folks to stand with Wrex and Mordin in the "awesome seasoned veterans who share friendship and mutual respect with Shepard" club.

Granted, Samara, Mordin, and Wrex would be my first choices if I were ever to test out their respective alien species, but really, sometimes sage advice and a brofist is better than sex.

No really. Epic Bro Moments are better than sex. Wrex reunion > romance scenes. You know it's true.

[CroGamer002]

^But she's like the only Asari that I love.

[AdmiralCheez]

Mesina2 wrote...

^But she's like the only Asari that I love.

I know, she rocks and she's hot, but that does not mean you get to touch her boobies.  Not even Shepard can walk around grabbin' every set of ****** he fancies, you know.

Also, she kind of reminds me of my mom a little, and as soon as I think of Mom, consider me turned off forever.

[CroGamer002]

^Screw that!

Cut Liara romance and put her instead!

[AdmiralCheez]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Screw that!

Cut Liara romance and put her instead!

No, don't!  Think of the Liaramancers!  They'll eat you alive!

And besides, Liara's role in the story makes her more suited for romance.  Personal taste aside, she's a character that remains close to Shepard and grows throughout the series.  Samara remains on the sidelines, ready to do battle when called for, but forever coolly distant.  That's part of her charm.

Non-LI characters are usually more fun to talk to, anyway.

[CroGamer002]

^If Bioware didn't made her a Mary Sue, I would have liked her.

But noooooooooooooooo.
Lot of favoritism with her.

[xXljoshlXx]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Non-LI characters are usually more fun to talk to, anyway.

Hmm this actually seems to fit the people i liked to talk to most in ME2 are Mordin, Legion, and Samara. Also I liked Zaeads Stories he would share.

[AdmiralCheez]

Mesina2 wrote...

^If Bioware didn't made her a Mary Sue, I would have liked her.

But noooooooooooooooo.
Lot of favoritism with her.

Let's not pile on the Liara hate, here.  Yes, she's a prothean expert, daughter of a fairly important villain, key to progressing ME1's plot, the only universal love interest, the Shadow Broker, a super-biotic, a class-A space babe, Shepard's savior, has her own comic and DLC, and is the only "immortal" squadmate, but really, every single squaddie has something about them that could be considered Mary-Sue-ish or could potentially make people hate the character immediately.

Back on the topic at hand: Samara.  Romance.  No thanks.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I respect Samara more because she doesn't mind meld Shepard.

I have found that Asari typically want to jump right into Shepards pants, they may be the wisest and oldest race, but they are also portrayed sexually the most. However, my favourite Asari: Samara and Aria, don't get into (or try to get into) a relationship with Shepard.

Samara is like forbidden fruit, which makes her more alluring. For the same reason as Kasumi, don't make an LI in ME3. Shepard isn't some magnet who will have absolutely anyone get into the Commander's cabin. As much as we may want him/her to be

[lovgreno]

It is nice to see that not everyone wants to jump Shepards bones everytime. Samara still have a milfy charm though. I like her better as one of the wise old bros though. It would be awesome to have her along on a mission with the other badass elders Wrex or Mordin.

Modifié par lovgreno, 14 août 2011 - 12:00 .

[Xilizhra]

yorkj86 wrote...

Samara wanting to jump Shepard's bones = character assassination

There's a bit of nuance involved here.

No it isn't. She wants to, otherwise there wouldn't have been that almost kiss scene. She's just not doing it for whatever reason. Which is understandable, and I won't be too sad if she's not a romance option because it won't make my relationship with Liara confusing that way, but I'd still find it interesting if she was.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I wonder if the reason Samara restrains herself from having a relationship is not just because she feels that the emotional attachment will strain her duties as a Justicar, but also because if she has any more children, that they may be Ardat-Yakshi.

However, Ardat-Yakshi can only be pure bloods, so I am not sure if she will still birth Ardat-Yakshi with Shepard.

[Nashiktal]

The very fact that Samara turned shep down was amazing for me. Often when it comes to a bioware romance, the pc is both irresistible, and untouchable by fellow squadmates.

Then here comes both Samara and Aveline who not only reject the pc in their own way, for their own reasons...'but Aveline even has the chance to beat the crap out of the PC, and even find love on her own! (with a little help, but still)

This helPed to make Samara and aveline feel less like npc's and more like characters to me.

[MACharlie1]

Nashiktal wrote...

The very fact that Samara turned shep down was amazing for me. Often when it comes to a bioware romance, the pc is both irresistible, and untouchable by fellow squadmates.

Then here comes both Samara and Aveline who not only reject the pc in their own way, for their own reasons...'but Aveline even has the chance to beat the crap out of the PC, and even find love on her own! (with a little help, but still)

This helPed to make Samara and aveline feel less like npc's and more like characters to me.

I've found that some of the best characters turn out so well is because they aren't a love interest but more of a mother figure to the player. Aveline - tough when she needs to be, a shoulder to cry on. Samara - wise and beautiful, might be nice if they had Samara acting more on her maternal instincts with Shepard then him just asking questions about the Justicars - kind of playing a Wynne meets space babe role. Samara essentially acts alone because she cannot risk forming connections with others since she may have to kill them. Suddenly traveling with others might make the instincts click. But since the character developments in ME2 were essentially one-way and not very in-depth with the characters themselves...if Dragon Age gets one thing right it's this. 

And I'd even stretch that while Samara could play the role of the mother in a more psychological way, Miranda plays the role in a more physical way in that she "rebirthed" Shepard - she has an actual connection to Shepard that a mother might have with their child - one of the reasons my main Shep will not romance Miranda. 

As I was writing this, I realized that Bioware kinda rehashed KOTOR with Bastila and Revan and their bond that was formed when Bastila healed him on the bridge. But speaking of which...KOTOR II had one of the greatest video game characters created - I believe she won some character of the year awards - but it wasn't the naked Echani sparring partner but was Kreia - the mother-figure and rightfully deserved. 

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Kreia rocks.

I quite liked Bao-Dur too.

But yeah, I think Samara is a great example (along with Mordin, Legion and Wrex) of how you don't have to have a character be an LI for them to be a really well written character. However, it does mean that their character threads are usually not nearly as long on BSN.

[Russianbear0027]

Yeah Kreia XD and KotOR in general.

Samara, as far as I can see, is tempted, but probably won't enter a romance. Especially if she goes off to do her own thing. If she does become a full LI, it'd have to be more... subtle than the others are.
Either way, I found her quite awesome, and applaud the people who wrote her character.

Sorry, Francis, Morinth is well written too, but gives me the creeps most days O.O

[Asenza]

My god I hope they make Samara a true love interest in the next game. A change of heart isn't a retcon- Samara even admitted that she believed she could find more than just a little happiness with Shepard. But something- and it's not the code or a fear of having Ardat-Yakshi kids (there has to be two Asari involved for that)- stopped her. What exactly that something was, is a question I would like answered, in addition to several others- whatever happened to her bondmate? Now that Morinth (hopefully if you weren't evil and chose the Lillith wannabe Morinth) is dead, can she re-connect with her other two children? She did state that the only reason she became a Justicar was because of Morinth.

There's just so much to love about her. But in particular, I like the fact that she is an older Asari. That she has seen and experienced more than most. Thinking forward, as she did state that she had a couple hundred more years left, if Shepard died first, she wouldn't have centuries and centuries to live only with Shepard's memory. Unlike Liara, who (as the codex stated, humans only live to be about... 125? 150 now?) will live eight or nine centuries longer than Shepard.

Pleeease Bioware! Aveline never appealed to me (probably had something to do with her bare-handed beating of a darkspawn) and I like how it is hinted in some places in the ME universe that if Shepard doesn't get with some of the LI's they have other options, but when you introduce Samara and Kelly as "either gender" options, it's crushing to know that they don't actually count! (Sad Panda, no Achievement). Make up for it in ME3!!!

[Destroy Raiden_]

Samara being an LI in 3 is a retcon just like Mordin turning up hot for shep would be both these people made it clear they don't want shep or in Samara's case she isn't going to give in to him/her. Samara has will beyond shep in some ways this woman killed her daughter because her code said to she won't give in to loving shep because her code says she must be loyal to it. Say she gives in and shep does something against her code she'll have to kill him she killed her favorite child having to kill her LI might break her that's not something I'd be willing to put her through. Samara chose her path she is married to the code having her turn that around and love shep is fan pandering and not in a goodway she is great how she is only if she gives up the code would I find it plausible and a character development process for her to love shep.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 16 août 2011 - 10:00 .

[djmassage]

Samara said she wanted shepard. Didnt she? Something about jumping on him. But anyway
I also want samara as a romance option.

[Nilfalasiel]

Lizardviking wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

If your romancing liara and somewhat romance samara does she say anything about it in lair of the shadow broker?

Nope. Liara does not comment on either Samara or Kelly.

However, if you're romancing one of the ME2 LIs (at any stage of their romance progression), you can only tell Samara you want a fling with her (not a relationship), and the only response you'll get is the "if I was a Maiden, I'd be dragging you to the floor right now" one. I was surprised that they'd actually gone to that level of detail for someone who wasn't a full-fledged romance option. I mean, they even mention her in the "LI" ad on the Citadel. 

Of course, it also makes Shepard look like a horndog. You can't realise that you'd rather not pursue whoever you're romancing because you're actually smitten with Samara, the only option is being all "who said feelings had to be involved? *eyebrow waggle*", which, in her case, I actually find offensive. A Shepard who says that has pretty much no understanding of who Samara is, so it's not surprising that she/he gets shut down faster than a bankrupt bank.

Anyways, that being said, Samara is my second favourite asari in the series (Matriarch Aethyta being first) and, IMO, the most beautiful one. But I'm on the fence about the possibility of her becoming a romance option in ME3. On the one hand, it's pretty clear that, if it were only up to her, she'd be all over Shepard. On the other hand, she has centuries of experience in putting just about everything before her personal wishes, and considering how rock-solid her convictions are, I'm not sure how BW would be able to make a change of heart believable. I'd rather she keep her character integrity first and foremost: I don't necessarily agree with her view of the world, but I am impressed by her steadfastness, and it definitely makes for some poignant scenes. The "in another life" line and her exchange with her daughters in her Shadow Broker files both come to mind. 

Someone mentioned static vs dynamic characters: the whole point of Samara is that she's trained, forced herself to become static. It's a requirement of her duty, and her duty comes foremost. Not entirely sure what can budge her from her stance at this point.