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[Sabariel]

"Uncover the harsh truth about the Hawke lineage." is what I was promised. What I got was:

"The mean Grey Wardens threatened mommy so daddy was forced to use blood magic to seal away a powerful darkspawn-thing for the good of everyone."

Now, see, that is not a harsh truth. That is not even close to a harsh truth. I was sorely disappointed. I was more hoping that Malcolm had tried to free Creepy Magister and the Wardens were forced to kill him. Of course, that wouldn't fit into DA2's storyline, but still... disappointed

[Robhuzz]

For a mage who has always taught bethany (and mage hawke) the importance of resisting demons and the dangers of blood magic, it is kind of hard to swallow that he too used blood magic in the past. Doesn't matter if he was force to, he could just have killed those who threatened Leandra imo..

[Sabariel]

Somehow I doubt that Malcolm would find  murder a suitable alternative to using blood magic to seal away a scary-ass magical darkspawn.

Modifié par Sabariel, 07 août 2011 - 10:29 .

[caradoc2000]

It wouldn't have been murder, it would have been self-defense.

[Sabariel]

As Leandra was in no immediate danger, a good lawyer could argue otherwise

[whykikyouwhy]

I saw the harsh truth as:

 - Malcolm knew far more about demons than he ever possibly let on.
 - Malcolm was more skilled/powerful than he ever possibly let on (and powerful mage = thing to be feared in the bulk of Thedas society could make for some unease on the part of the family).
 - Malcolm may have been part and party to either just securing away a corrupted magister "for good", or potentialy securing him away for safe keeping until someone in his family came along to free him.

While not necessarily d**ning, it does show that Malcolm hid much from his family, that he was involved in plans and machinations of broad scope. It might be that he was the start of some awful domino effect that we have yet to see the true end result of.

That's just the way I looked at it.

[Rifneno]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I saw the harsh truth as:

 - Malcolm knew far more about demons than he ever possibly let on.
 - Malcolm was more skilled/powerful than he ever possibly let on (and powerful mage = thing to be feared in the bulk of Thedas society could make for some unease on the part of the family).
 - Malcolm may have been part and party to either just securing away a corrupted magister "for good", or potentialy securing him away for safe keeping until someone in his family came along to free him.

While not necessarily d**ning, it does show that Malcolm hid much from his family, that he was involved in plans and machinations of broad scope. It might be that he was the start of some awful domino effect that we have yet to see the true end result of.

That's just the way I looked at it.

Wow.  Excellent points.  I never looked at it that way before.  Thank you for an enlightening view on Malcolm.  Now I rather wish the old man was still around...

Oh, and we also found out that Malcolm was James Earl Jones.  Maker what a deep voice.

[TEWR]

I hope we get to see what he actually looked like at some point. I mean come on, dude's got an epic voice.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 07 août 2011 - 01:52 .

[Moorebe]

Wasn't Leandra pregnant with Hawke at the time? So does that make Bethany older than Hawke?

A parent will do ANYTHING to protect their children, guess that's what Malcolm thought he had to do?.?

[HopHazzard]

Moorebe wrote...

Wasn't Leandra pregnant with Hawke at the time? So does that make Bethany older than Hawke?

A parent will do ANYTHING to protect their children, guess that's what Malcolm thought he had to do?.?

How would that make Bethany older than Hawke?

[GavrielKay]

Robhuzz wrote...

For a mage who has always taught bethany (and mage hawke) the importance of resisting demons and the dangers of blood magic, it is kind of hard to swallow that he too used blood magic in the past. Doesn't matter if he was force to, he could just have killed those who threatened Leandra imo..

This works best if the player really buys into blood magic being (no matter what it's used for) evil and taught only by demons.

For me, I was like, "cool, dad was a kick butt mage who could seal some big time evil away!"

[Sabariel]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I saw the harsh truth as:

 - Malcolm knew far more about demons than he ever possibly let on.
 - Malcolm was more skilled/powerful than he ever possibly let on (and powerful mage = thing to be feared in the bulk of Thedas society could make for some unease on the part of the family).
 - Malcolm may have been part and party to either just securing away a corrupted magister "for good", or potentialy securing him away for safe keeping until someone in his family came along to free him.

While not necessarily d**ning, it does show that Malcolm hid much from his family, that he was involved in plans and machinations of broad scope. It might be that he was the start of some awful domino effect that we have yet to see the true end result of.

That's just the way I looked at it.

"Dad lied to us to protect us from the unpleasantness of reality and may have inadvertantly started the magical darkspawn apocalypse." still isn't much of a harsh truth to me. But... that's just me. I'm a cynical old woman

[Savber100]

Didn't you know? Bioware marketing sucks... They're the same people that used the "This is the new ****" marketing campaign for DA:O.

[mesmerizedish]

Filament wrote...

I thought that was just Nicholas Boulton pushing it an octave lower.

Papa!Hawke did sound a lot like dude!Hawke, which I really liked.

[whykikyouwhy]

Sabariel wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I saw the harsh truth as:

 - Malcolm knew far more about demons than he ever possibly let on.
 - Malcolm was more skilled/powerful than he ever possibly let on (and powerful mage = thing to be feared in the bulk of Thedas society could make for some unease on the part of the family).
 - Malcolm may have been part and party to either just securing away a corrupted magister "for good", or potentialy securing him away for safe keeping until someone in his family came along to free him.

While not necessarily d**ning, it does show that Malcolm hid much from his family, that he was involved in plans and machinations of broad scope. It might be that he was the start of some awful domino effect that we have yet to see the true end result of.

That's just the way I looked at it.

"Dad lied to us to protect us from the unpleasantness of reality and may have inadvertantly started the magical darkspawn apocalypse." still isn't much of a harsh truth to me. But... that's just me. I'm a cynical old woman

I suppose we could compare levels of cynicism (I would win), but I suppose I just went in to the DLC hoping for a solid DLC - a good story, good action, good banter. I got all of that. I didn't read too much into, or rely too heavily on advertising. Because it's...advertising. And therein, I am cynical.

[Sabariel]

With all the drama and angst present in DA2 I thought Legacy would contain much of the same.

[mesmerizedish]

Sabariel wrote...

With all the drama and angst present in DA2 I thought Legacy would contain much of the same.

Carver's little "Even Dad was a blood mage *wankwank*" conversation was pretty wangsty.

[Sabariel]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

With all the drama and angst present in DA2 I thought Legacy would contain much of the same.

Carver's little "Even Dad was a blood mage *wankwank*" conversation was pretty wangsty.

I was thinking more along the lines of Andersgoesboom angst and drama...

[whykikyouwhy]

Drama and angst don't always equate harsh truth, however. The former could be from the simple matter of dealing with identity, dealing with consequences, dealing with having to redefine how a person thinks/feels - all that I found present in DA2. The whole mage/templar schism pretty much encapsulates that.

Legacy is about family - about filling in the gaps (some, not all) and tying up some loose ends. And as the distinguished Robot-Bear said, family was a definitive stable element. The whole Malcolm's Will quest brings this to light - Hawke and his/her sibling get a better idea of the man their father was - how despite all that he had done (which his diembodied voice laments over - something to the effect of "I hope they never know what I have done here" - poor paraphrasing on my part), he was trying to make things better, as much as he could, for his wife and child.

[mesmerizedish]

Sabariel wrote...

I was thinking more along the lines of Andersgoesboom angst and drama...

Oh. Yeah, there wasn't much of that 

I guess they could have had Corypheus possess your sibling. Or, if sibling is dead, possess the corpse (which Janeka could have graverobbed... all she needs is blood of the Hawke, not living blood, right?).

[Sabariel]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

I was thinking more along the lines of Andersgoesboom angst and drama...

Oh. Yeah, there wasn't much of that 

I guess they could have had Corypheus possess your sibling. Or, if sibling is dead, possess the corpse (which Janeka could have graverobbed... all she needs is blood of the Hawke, not living blood, right?).

I guess...?

I was more or less hoping that Malcolm's death wasn't what Leandra and the Hawke kids thought it was, is all. Coming to terms with the fact that dad was a little batty and had to be put down, and all that. But again, that's just me.

[TobiTobsen]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

I was thinking more along the lines of Andersgoesboom angst and drama...

Oh. Yeah, there wasn't much of that 

I guess they could have had Corypheus possess your sibling. Or, if sibling is dead, possess the corpse (which Janeka could have graverobbed... all she needs is blood of the Hawke, not living blood, right?).

Oh yeah... Hawke had way to much fun dealing with the family buisness in Legacy. He/She really needed another kick in the balls to remind him/her that the slogan "the family is important!" just means "the family members get murdered or vanish one after another! ... oh... and by the way... we digged up your dead sibling and possessed him/her! Surprise! *trollface*"

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 08 août 2011 - 09:25 .