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[TEWR]

So, we're all wondering it. What is Flemeth?

In dialogue with her after she rescues the Warden, she says that "men desired her, and some even killed for her" and that she isn't happy about it. What happened then "dictated all that followed".

Also in dialogue, if you ask for advice regarding anything, she says "I laugh at a world full of stupid humans who ignore the Blight's evil and abandon their vigilance to chase after mortal goals."

That should've been enough for us to know that she wasn't mortal. We then learned from Morrigan that she isn't human or an abomination, and that she is something greater.

She seems to be omniscient as well, knowing that Hawke would be hurtled into the chaos and that the Warden needed help. We know that she has some good standing with the Dalish, as they hold her in high regard. "Asha'Bellanar" they call her. The Woman of Many Years. Marethari was apparently tied to her by a promise, as were Hawke and King Maric.

She's a powerful shapeshifter too. Able to transform into a High Dragon, which indicates that she has studied them closely to be able to perfect the technique, as Morrigan said she had to study an animal to be able to transform into it.

Popular theories on Flemeth are that she is:

• The Dumat OGB, who was Andraste. This would help explain a great many things. How was Morrigan so certain the DR would work? How is she able to transform into a powerful Dragon? But! I wonder.... was Dumat really the Archdemon of the First Blight? What if it was Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery? Flemeth does enjoy being cryptic, and Dumat's Altar does seem to still be in effect. Whether that's due to powerful, ancient magic or Dumat still being alive is unknown.
• Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf. So we know that Fen'Harel actually exists, and that he enjoys playing tricks on people. Could Flemeth be the Dread Wolf?
• The Maker. It would be funny to find out the Maker was a woman.

So which is it? I'm of the mind that it's the first one, and she's actually the Razikale OGB, who is Flemeth (not as catchy though)

I also wonder about her "it dictated all that followed" line. Could she be responsible for the taint that fills the Black City? Could she have been responsible for the Primeval Thaig's Dwarves going crazy? Could she have known about the Primeval Thaig's existence?

So.... what is Flemeth?

[whykikyouwhy]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

So.... what is Flemeth?

Me.

[TEWR]

well that was anticlimactic =P

[mesmerizedish]

whykikyouwhy is all about the climax.

[Zanallen]

Your mom.

[whykikyouwhy]

To answer this seriously, because I feel the subject does warrant a serious answer, I think Flemeth may be an old god, or one of the pantheon.

Maybe she's Fen'Harel, but that may conflict with her conversation with Merrill on Sundermount, when she asks the mage if she knows who she (Flemeth) is beyond the name. Merrill indicates that she knows a litte, to which Flemeth tells her to stand, as "the people kneel too easily." (paraphrasing...sorry). She seems to be outside of the known pantheon - something on the fringe.

Maybe she is some entity of fate itself - that which sets the stage upon which man moves, acts, loves and dies. Maybe she is a creator - and is honor-bound in some way to be involved with her progeny, but is detached enough to scoff at their fumbling.

Whatever the case (because I don't know enough yet to really pinpoint a theory), she is enigma incarnate. And she is the binding force in the lives of Hawke, the Warden, and others.

[Tirfan]

First, she was a very likable character, now, she is a complete MILF with ridiculous hair-do so I hate her and wish we never see her again.

Seriously though.
I'm not so keen on Old God theory - if I recall correctly there is some time-line-issues, if I'm not too lazy I'm going to look them up a bit.

I'd like most if she was a really ancient magister perhaps?

[jlb524]

I'm guessing that she's something we have yet to hear about.

Though, that's a boring answer.

[LiquidGrape]

jlb524 wrote...

I'm guessing that she's something we have yet to hear about.

Though, that's a boring answer.

Yes. Not enough climax involved.

[Zanallen]

If Cory was telling the truth, perhaps Flemeth is the one who blackened the Golden City?

[whykikyouwhy]

I would wager that Flemeth would be slowly building up to the climax. It's a tease, really.




Talking about the game, of course.

[dgcatanisiri]

She the offspring of Captain Janeway and Q from an alternate universe where she took him up on his offer of having a child with him.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

If Flemeth is indeed an old god, I believe she might be Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery.

[Dhiro]

She is a fly in the ointment, she is a whisper in the shadows. She is also an old, old woman. You don't need to know more than that.


Seriously now, I have no idea. I think that the mystery behind Flemeth is what makes her so cool.

[TEWR]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

To answer this seriously, because I feel the subject does warrant a serious answer, I think Flemeth may be an old god, or one of the pantheon.

Maybe she's Fen'Harel, but that may conflict with her conversation with Merrill on Sundermount, when she asks the mage if she knows who she (Flemeth) is beyond the name. Merrill indicates that she knows a litte, to which Flemeth tells her to stand, as "the people kneel too easily." (paraphrasing...sorry). She seems to be outside of the known pantheon - something on the fringe.

Maybe she is some entity of fate itself - that which sets the stage upon which man moves, acts, loves and dies. Maybe she is a creator - and is honor-bound in some way to be involved with her progeny, but is detached enough to scoff at their fumbling.

Whatever the case (because I don't know enough yet to really pinpoint a theory), she is enigma incarnate. And she is the binding force in the lives of Hawke, the Warden, and others.

I agree that she'll definitely be a crucial element tying together all of the Dragon Age games.

Tirfan wrote...

First, she was a very likable character, now, she is a complete MILF with ridiculous hair-do so I hate her and wish we never see her again.

To be honest, not only did I not see her as a powerful mage in DAO (which may have been a ruse that she employed), but I also didn't see her as this woman who could easily seduce men like she was described to be able to do from various sources (Morrigan and Leliana being two).

I actually approve of her new look, as she now looks powerful and looks like she can seduce anyone.

Tirfan wrote...
Seriously though.
I'm not so keen on Old God theory - if I recall correctly there is some time-line-issues, if I'm not too lazy I'm going to look them up a bit.

I'd like most if she was a really ancient magister perhaps?

Actually, the timeline issues are due in large part to knowing almost nothing. We don't know who slayed the first Archdemon or how people are so sure that it was Dumat. We do know that 26 or 28 years later a powerful mage appeared to topple the Imperium, and Flemeth is certainly a powerful mage-like being.

While that's all the information there is regarding Flemeth being an OGB, it's more than any other information we have regarding who Flemeth may be.

Ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

whykikyouwhy is all about the climax.

That fits in with Flemeth's description

whykikyouwhy wrote...

 the game.

We just lost it.

[TEWR]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

If Flemeth is indeed an old god, I believe she might be Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery.

yup, that's what I thought up too.

[Zanallen]

She is actually Madame Web from the Spider-Man mythos.

[naledgeborn]

An old hag that talks too much.

[whykikyouwhy]

I'm really of the theory that she is setting pieces on the grand chessboard in a certain pattern - she's preparing for something, some event that she has seen a glimpse of. Hence her musings when she encounters Hawke - almost as if things fell into place easier than she had assumed they would.

I can't shake the feeling that she is collecting heroes and people of note. Helping them in some way so as to gain a boon from them or their allegiance, and guiding them to that ultimate battle. The question is, with and against what. What would she need heroes for? Is it to shift the balance of destiny and impending doom? Is it to aid her against a formidable foe (maybe an old god set free...)?

I think in the end times of the DA universe, she's going to reappear and collect on debts owed.

[Zanallen]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I'm really of the theory that she is setting pieces on the grand chessboard in a certain pattern - she's preparing for something, some event that she has seen a glimpse of. Hence her musings when she encounters Hawke - almost as if things fell into place easier than she had assumed they would.

I can't shake the feeling that she is collecting heroes and people of note. Helping them in some way so as to gain a boon from them or their allegiance, and guiding them to that ultimate battle. The question is, with and against what. What would she need heroes for? Is it to shift the balance of destiny and impending doom? Is it to aid her against a formidable foe (maybe an old god set free...)?

I think in the end times of the DA universe, she's going to reappear and collect on debts owed.

This. Unfortunately, it all takes place after the series is cancelled.

[Vit246]

Flemeth is an ancient mage who long ago summoned a powerful spirit and "merged" with it while retaining her mind and control. She possesses the immortality and power of the spirit she summoned. Flemeth as she is now, is a unique powerful being who knows secret things that only spirits know and could change the world.

Modifié par Vit246, 07 août 2011 - 09:43 .

[jlb524]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I'm really of the theory that she is setting pieces on the grand chessboard in a certain pattern - she's preparing for something, some event that she has seen a glimpse of. Hence her musings when she encounters Hawke - almost as if things fell into place easier than she had assumed they would.

I can't shake the feeling that she is collecting heroes and people of note. Helping them in some way so as to gain a boon from them or their allegiance, and guiding them to that ultimate battle. The question is, with and against what. What would she need heroes for? Is it to shift the balance of destiny and impending doom? Is it to aid her against a formidable foe (maybe an old god set free...)?

Maybe she knows that the 'Maker' (who possesses the maturity level of a five year old) will come back one day and throw a huge temper-tantrum and destroy the entirety of his creation...starting over from scratch.

If the Maker exists, of course...

[Funny_chan]

I'll quote here a post I wrote about this 2 days ago in the topic Flemeth is Morrigan and Morrigan is Flemeth on the Dragon Age Origins forums:

Funny_chan wrote...

 I'll just paste here a theory I thought about months ago:

Funny_chan wrote...

I
believe that Flemeth is both an Old God/Old God baby and Andraste.
That's the reason the people of Haven thought the dragon was Andraste.
Also, I see a similarity between her history with her husband and
Andraste's history with the Maker. BTW, Old Gods are known for singing
beautifully, same as Andraste.

Also, as someone pointed out, there is a rumour that Andraste was in fact a powerful mage.

Here's the description for the companion gift "The Search for the True Prophet":

This
tattered tome explores the possibility that Andraste was a powerful
mage, not the Maker's Chosen. It seems this book was saved from a fire
at some point.

asaiasai wrote...

3)The Grimware says that Flemeth steals the bodies of her daughters.
Does
the Grimware say that? How do you know you can not read it, it is a
gift and so you are reliant on Flemeth/Morrigan telling you that is what
it says.

Indeed! I find this banter with Shale especially intriguing:

Shale: I understand the swamp witch is out to slay its own mother?
Morrigan: Entirely in self-defense.
Shale: So it claims. It could not have been its plan from the very beginning, then.
Morrigan: I knew nothing about my mother's... intentions... prior to finding the book. 'Twas your notion I arranged that?
Shale:
Unnecessary, considering it is the only one who can read the book. It
could just as well be a journal, or a book of recipes.
Morrigan: Would you like me to teach you how to read the book? Then you can see for yourself.
Shale: (Snorts) Now it is testing me.
Morrigan: (Chuckles) Well do you care enough to learn, or no?
Shale: No. I do not care.
Morrigan: Then leave me be.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I expect Flemeth is probably unique, she's just Flemeth. It's possible that she's Fen'harel I suppose but I feel that if he shows up it will be a bigger deal that "I was Flemeth all along."

One theory I heard was that she was the OGB of Toth because that whole business with Conobar and Osen seemed to be back in the Towers Age, which saw the Third Blight occur during it's first few decades. I did like that idea but I suspect that if that was what she was Morrigan might have mentioned it, since she may have had one of her own already.

Given her dialogue with Merrill, I suspect she has some connection to the elves though. So maybe she is an agent of the Dread Wolf or something? Maybe even his daughter? Or she could even be related to the Forgotten Ones for all we know.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 07 août 2011 - 09:48 .

[whykikyouwhy]

@jlb524 - It sounds like you might subscribe to the Sandal-is-the-Maker theory. :>

@Funny_chan - I wouldn't be surprised if Morrigan possesses a bit of Flemeth's essence (and not in a literal DNA sense). Perhaps as a means to easily conduct body-spirit transference. But my gut tells me that Morrigan is a separate entity. The comments that Flemeth makes on Sundermount seem to hint as separateness. But heck, I could be very wrong.