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[Wolverfrog]

 Upon seeing how seemingly important Earth is going to be in Mass Effect 3, coupled with the fact that the Reapers have taken a very perculiar interest in it for some reason, I can't help but wonder if the Charon Mass Relay orbiting Pluto was encased in ice for a reason.

Perhaps there is a secret at Earth the Reapers badly want. Maybe the Protheans discovered this secret, and so managed to encase the Relay in ice (thus rendering it so it can't be activated, I'm guessing) to protect whatever mysteries Earth holds. Then 50,000 years later we humans decide to activate the relay

Sovereign notices this and finally realises the Reapers can get to Earth. So that's why, of all the times in the Mass Effect universe where the cycle could have been initiated, it happens just after humanity is introduced into the galactic community.

Perhaps (and this is just me randomly theorising here) the Protheans managed to hide away whatever the Reapers want on Earth, and only one who is as a Prothean can find it. With Saren dead, the Thorian dead, the Collectors all dead and the Prothean Reaper seemingly failed, Shepard is pretty much the only being in the galaxy who can interface with Prothean technology as he holds the cipher.

Hence a reason why the Reapers want Shepard. And why the Illusive Man would want him dead; to stop the Reapers getting their hands on him. 

It just seems weird to me that the Reapers would build a Mass Relay if they knew it would get encased within ice. Surely if that was the case many Mass Relays would be in a similar situation as many of them are far away from their system's sun, rendering most of them useless.

Anyway, that's just an idea that popped into my head and is maybe worth a bit of discussion.

[LGTX]

I can't say how much I like this theory. I've wondered why the Charon Relay was frozen, while all others were just discovered dormant before, but never to such extent.

[littlezack]

Are any of the other relays located as far away from a star as Charon?

[Elvis_Mazur]

I like this theory

[Halfdan The Menace]

Perhaps the Martians did it during the Ice Age? for a reason?

[Knight of Dane]

LGTX wrote...

I can't say how much I like this theory. I've wondered why the Charon Relay was frozen, while all others were just discovered dormant before, but never to such extent.

+1

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Humans will always be special in a sci fi featuring human characters as main protagonists. Like any other sci fi story, ME is written by humans for humans, so humanity will always be given an x-factor to contribute to the plot in some way. If humans had nothing special to bring to the table, there would be no point to making a story about humanity in a universe full of sapient races interacting with each other.

A better thing to hope for is that BW gives each / some of the other races something special to contribute into the ME3 story - in addition to whatever the humans get.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 07 août 2011 - 09:55 .

[Icinix]

Its a nice theory - but I wouldn't want it to be a case of Earth has a secret, or a buried secret weapon against the Reapers.

[didymos1120]

LGTX wrote...
I've wondered why the Charon Relay was frozen, while all others were just discovered dormant before, but never to such extent.

You want the real reason?  Because the plot required a relay be relatively close to Earth, and hiding it inside Charon provided an excuse for why we never noticed that glowy mass relay orbiting Pluto while also neatly explaining how we weren't discovered by any other race.

[LGTX]

didymos1120 wrote...

LGTX wrote...
I've wondered why the Charon Relay was frozen, while all others were just discovered dormant before, but never to such extent.

You want the real reason?  Because the plot required a relay be relatively close to Earth, and hiding it inside Charon provided an excuse for why we never noticed that glowy mass relay orbiting Pluto while also neatly explaining how we weren't discovered by any other race.

The best plot twists are the carefully disguised ones

We weren't discovered because the relay's "other end" was under restriction from Council Space, if I recall correctly. Or just inactive. 

[TobyHasEyes]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Whilst I think your idea is intriguing and I never thought of it, I strongly oppose this. I don't want the story to degenerate any further down the "Humans Are Special" route ... it is now at an acceptable level, but making humans or earth an integral part of the whole story of defeating the Reapers apart from Shepard being the driving force in the endeavor would make this story highly generic in the end.

This

[marshalleck]

We had an interesting discussion on this topic not long ago. I think there's more to the Charon relay being frozen than just natural accumulation of dust and ice. Pluto and Charon are in the Kuiper Belt, which is a massive debris field left over from the creation of our solar system. It's mostly methane, water, and dust with a small amount of metals. So it would make sense that ice and dust and debris would collect on the relay over time, but one of the conclusions we reached in the other thread was that it seemed to accumulate an awful lot (the real Charon is estimated to have a 750 mile diameter for example) awfully quickly, and also it's strange that seemingly no other relay ever got encased like that. Do relays have self-cleaning mechanisms to keep them free of collecting cosmic junk? If so, why didn't Charon's work?

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 10:04 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Charon's volume and mass allow calculation of its density from which it can be determined that Charon is largely an icy body and contains less rock by proportion than its partner Pluto. This supports the idea that Charon was created by a giant impact into Pluto's icy mantle..

That's the real science theory as to Charon existence.

In mass effect : Pluto gets impacted and spews out volumes of water that then again gets trapped in the nearby relays gravity well.

Mystery solved.

[ShepardTheMetalhead]

forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2011810

The best theory about this I've read, among other very interesting ones.

[Sebby]

marshalleck wrote...

We had an interesting discussion on this topic not long ago. I think there's more to the Charon relay being frozen than just natural accumulation of dust and ice. Pluto and Charon are in the Kuiper Belt, which is a massive debris field left over from the creation of our solar system. It's mostly methane, water, and dust with a small amount of metals. So it would make sense that ice and dust and debris would collect on the relay over time, but one of the conclusions we reached in the other thread was that it seemed to accumulate an awful lot (the real Charon is estimated to have a 750 mile diameter for example) awfully quickly, and also it's strange that seemingly no other relay ever got encased like that. Do relays have self-cleaning mechanisms to keep them free of collecting cosmic junk? If so, why didn't Charon's work?

They should have it made it the Nyx or Hydra relay to make it more believable.

[eternalnightmare13]

Good theory.  If you played 1 then there's a side quest where on one of the planets you can find a Prothean orb similar to what you get in the dlc Firewalker in 2. In 1 if you have the trinket the consort gives you then there's this text based flash back scene of Protheans observing, and possibly abducting early stone age man.  Perhaps once they were done with whatever it was they were up to they froze the Charon relay.  Perhaps humanity was bio-engineered or tweaked genetically by the Protheans to make us more diverse genetically.  

Wolverfrog wrote...

 Upon seeing how seemingly important Earth is going to be in Mass Effect 3, coupled with the fact that the Reapers have taken a very perculiar interest in it for some reason, I can't help but wonder if the Charon Mass Relay orbiting Pluto was encased in ice for a reason.

Perhaps there is a secret at Earth the Reapers badly want. Maybe the Protheans discovered this secret, and so managed to encase the Relay in ice (thus rendering it so it can't be activated, I'm guessing) to protect whatever mysteries Earth holds. Then 50,000 years later we humans decide to activate the relay

Sovereign notices this and finally realises the Reapers can get to Earth. So that's why, of all the times in the Mass Effect universe where the cycle could have been initiated, it happens just after humanity is introduced into the galactic community.

Perhaps (and this is just me randomly theorising here) the Protheans managed to hide away whatever the Reapers want on Earth, and only one who is as a Prothean can find it. With Saren dead, the Thorian dead, the Collectors all dead and the Prothean Reaper seemingly failed, Shepard is pretty much the only being in the galaxy who can interface with Prothean technology as he holds the cipher.

Hence a reason why the Reapers want Shepard. And why the Illusive Man would want him dead; to stop the Reapers getting their hands on him. 

It just seems weird to me that the Reapers would build a Mass Relay if they knew it would get encased within ice. Surely if that was the case many Mass Relays would be in a similar situation as many of them are far away from their system's sun, rendering most of them useless.

Anyway, that's just an idea that popped into my head and is maybe worth a bit of discussion.

[Reptillius]

Well from the looks of the maps as we run around them in what little we can view them. It doesn't look like any other relay is really near any kind of debris field like the charon relay is. So that could be a reason that the charon relay is iced over and others didn't...

As to just why they put it so far out that is a little harder to explain... But as annoying as it is we can always attribute it to unknown reaper reasoning... Perhaps something is or was traveling through some part of our galaxy that the safest place to put it was a lot closer to the outer edge than more centralized like some of the others...

Like maybe whatever unknown or unexplained phenomenon that made the ring of debris out past mars in what can be considered from looking at other planets in our solar system would have been a good place for another planet to form.

[green_lemur]

Earth has a secret that an entire unstopable army would want. halo 3 anyone?

[Annihilator27]

green_lemur wrote...

Earth has a secret that an entire unstopable army would want. halo 3 anyone?

Yes.Go through the Earth Portal to the Reaper homeworld.Then give me my epic escape on the Mako on an exploding Reaper world to get to the Normandy lol.

[dont_look_down]

lightsnow13 wrote...

http://forums.steamp...d.php?t=2011810

your theory has already been discussed for the most part. It's an interesting read if anyone wants to.

From that article, this is the part that specifically relates to this topic, and is definitely the best theory Ive heard so far

"So we know that Ilos was one location that remained hidden to the
Reapers. But was it the only one? As I said earlier, we know that the
Protheans had an underground research complex on Mars. Was this one of a
myriad of facilities hidden and whose records on the Citadel were
destroyed? Another interesting thing to consider is the possible fate of
Mars and the Charon Relay. In Mass Effect, it’s hinted that Mars was,
50,000 years ago, a habitable planet possibly containing oceans of
water. However, when humanity discovered the ruins it was a barren
wasteland. Where could this water have gone? The Charon Relay was, at
some point in history, inexplicably encased in hundreds of kilometers of
ice. Mars also doesn’t show any evidence of orbital bombardment like
other worlds which the Reapers have conquered.



We can therefore assume that the Reapers never reached Mars, that the
Protheans on the planet survived the initial invasion, and that they
perhaps at some point many years afterwards used advanced Mass Effect
field technology to move the water on the surface to encase the Relay.
But why? Why would they have gone to that trouble to close off the
Relay? If the base on Mars was indeed hidden then moving all of that
water and making Mars uninhabitable seems like a poor risk to take
simply to keep the Reapers out. But if all of the above is what actually
happened it’s possible that this was not their reason. Their reason
instead might have been to cut Earth off from Galactic society so that
no race would inadvertently stumble upon them and adversely affect their
evolution (as the Salarians did with the Krogan). This may also explain
how they died out in the system. It’s also interesting to note that
Mars is one location that we intend to visit in Mass Effect 3."

[JediMaster_Murph]

i like the way TIM fits into the theory that was really good

[EternalPink]

Prefer the simpler solution stated in the codex myself, that the relay's maintence failed so it froze up, another example of reaper tech not functioning as it was ideally meant to (we have the precedent set by the keepers for this sort of stuff to happen)