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[Dr JewLove]

even if the protheans did encase the relay in ice it wouldn't make sense to just die out on mars. i mean they could've just lived on earth. I'm sure they could've easily avoided being discovered.

[dont_look_down]

Dr JewLove wrote...

even if the protheans did encase the relay in ice it wouldn't make sense to just die out on mars. i mean they could've just lived on earth. I'm sure they could've easily avoided being discovered.

Who says they didnt? I dont remember seeing anything that had to do with their fate, maybe thats what we wil find out when we go to Mars.

[azerSheppard]

no

[didymos1120]

Dr JewLove wrote...

even if the protheans did encase the relay in ice it wouldn't make sense to just die out on mars. i mean they could've just lived on earth. I'm sure they could've easily avoided being discovered.

Where they would have died out.  No way they had the population to last very long, and especially not without all the tech their entire civilization depended on.

[Dr JewLove]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

even if the protheans did encase the relay in ice it wouldn't make sense to just die out on mars. i mean they could've just lived on earth. I'm sure they could've easily avoided being discovered.

Where they would have died out.  No way they had the population to last very long, and especially not without all the tech their entire civilization depended on.

maybe they mated with humans. you never know.

[Sabotin]

Here's another idea, what if humanity itself is the key to defeating reapers? It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to think the protheans somehow engeneered the humans to be able to defeat the reapers. That would also kinda explain why all the cloak and dagger stuff in ME1 and 2 - they fear humans. The protheans perhaps exploited the primitivity of the prehistoric humans (they'd be under the reapers' radar so to speak) and planted a seed that would bear fruit when the next reaper invasion would come - 50k years later. This theory is of interest: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity

[EternalPink]

in humans atleast you need a surprisingly small number to have a viable genetic pool, depending on the size of the research base and the composition of the protean crew manning it they may have had enough but that assumes they had a ship, fuel, food etc since if everything was delivered to them they may have just starved to death and been unable to leave

[didymos1120]

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

even if the protheans did encase the relay in ice it wouldn't make sense to just die out on mars. i mean they could've just lived on earth. I'm sure they could've easily avoided being discovered.

Where they would have died out.  No way they had the population to last very long, and especially not without all the tech their entire civilization depended on.

maybe they mated with humans. you never know.

Right.  I'm sure that quad-strand DNA was totally compatible.  To say nothing of potential genitalia issues.

[KevShep]

Sabotin wrote...

Here's another idea, what if humanity itself is the key to defeating reapers? It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to think the protheans somehow engeneered the humans to be able to defeat the reapers. That would also kinda explain why all the cloak and dagger stuff in ME1 and 2 - they fear humans. The protheans perhaps exploited the primitivity of the prehistoric humans (they'd be under the reapers' radar so to speak) and planted a seed that would bear fruit when the next reaper invasion would come - 50k years later. This theory is of interest: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity

I like this idea. Humans obviously play a center role in the main story (not just because of Shepard). The reapers have an interest in humans that is still unkown. When they talk about the first theory they mention it was around 50k...so I dont know if there is a connection there but its interesting still.

Modifié par KevShep, 07 août 2011 - 11:23 .

[Dr JewLove]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

even if the protheans did encase the relay in ice it wouldn't make sense to just die out on mars. i mean they could've just lived on earth. I'm sure they could've easily avoided being discovered.

Where they would have died out.  No way they had the population to last very long, and especially not without all the tech their entire civilization depended on.

maybe they mated with humans. you never know.

Right.  I'm sure that quad-strand DNA was totally compatible.  To say nothing of potential genitalia issues.

they had a buttload of advanced technology in mars im sure they couldve figured something out.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Maybe not mated but they could have altered humanity - given humanity traits that would make them better equipped to fight reapers, like that sphere memory you have on Eletania though i kind of hope not.. it seems a weak storyline to me.

[daigakuinsei]

 The Charon Relay has some unanswered questions.

1. If the Reapers destroyed/reaped/cleaned out the Mars outpost, why did humanity supposedly find Prothean technology there still?

2. Addendum to 1.  If the Reapers went through the Charon Relay, 50,000 years is not enough time for something like that to be encased in a ball of ice.  If the Reapers did it, why?

3.  The Protheans presumably had access to the Charon Relay, so did they encase the Charon Relay in ice?  If so, why?

[EternalPink]

i think considering are current level of tech (edi can tell that proteans genetics have been altered etc) we'd have noticed already if we'd been tampered with

[Dr JewLove]

well know whats what when the game comes out.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Just like I've been saying for months now: in the game's finale, we will discover some sort of giant Prothean freeze ray hidden away on Mars (or elsewhere in our solar system). We obviously need some kind of deus ex machina, and one operable by only Shepard (plus possibly Shiala/Liara) seems like the way to go.

[The Twilight God]

Wolverfrog wrote...

 Upon seeing how seemingly important Earth is going to be in Mass Effect 3, coupled with the fact that the Reapers have taken a very perculiar interest in it for some reason, I can't help but wonder if the Charon Mass Relay orbiting Pluto was encased in ice for a reason.

Perhaps there is a secret at Earth the Reapers badly want. Maybe the Protheans discovered this secret, and so managed to encase the Relay in ice (thus rendering it so it can't be activated, I'm guessing) to protect whatever mysteries Earth holds. Then 50,000 years later we humans decide to activate the relay

Sovereign notices this and finally realises the Reapers can get to Earth. So that's why, of all the times in the Mass Effect universe where the cycle could have been initiated, it happens just after humanity is introduced into the galactic community.

Perhaps (and this is just me randomly theorising here) the Protheans managed to hide away whatever the Reapers want on Earth, and only one who is as a Prothean can find it. With Saren dead, the Thorian dead, the Collectors all dead and the Prothean Reaper seemingly failed, Shepard is pretty much the only being in the galaxy who can interface with Prothean technology as he holds the cipher.

Hence a reason why the Reapers want Shepard. And why the Illusive Man would want him dead; to stop the Reapers getting their hands on him. 

It just seems weird to me that the Reapers would build a Mass Relay if they knew it would get encased within ice. Surely if that was the case many Mass Relays would be in a similar situation as many of them are far away from their system's sun, rendering most of them useless.

Anyway, that's just an idea that popped into my head and is maybe worth a bit of discussion.

....or Bioware just needed a reason to explain why we never noticed the relay beforehand.

[HBC Dresden]

didymos1120 wrote...

LGTX wrote...
I've wondered why the Charon Relay was frozen, while all others were just discovered dormant before, but never to such extent.

You want the real reason?  Because the plot required a relay be relatively close to Earth, and hiding it inside Charon provided an excuse for why we never noticed that glowy mass relay orbiting Pluto while also neatly explaining how we weren't discovered by any other race.

Maybe... but a really really good writer would use that assumption and logic to paper-clip the real reason to it (Prothean protecting the development of other races, in this case humans, but possibly similar measures taken with the same goal applied to other races). That is like three birds with one stone, but that depends if the ME writers thought of that.

Modifié par HBC Dresden, 08 août 2011 - 02:50 .

[Bogsnot1]

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

even if the protheans did encase the relay in ice it wouldn't make sense to just die out on mars. i mean they could've just lived on earth. I'm sure they could've easily avoided being discovered.

Where they would have died out.  No way they had the population to last very long, and especially not without all the tech their entire civilization depended on.

maybe they mated with humans. you never know.

Right.  I'm sure that quad-strand DNA was totally compatible.  To say nothing of potential genitalia issues.

they had a buttload of advanced technology in mars im sure they couldve figured something out.

Just how many bad sci-fi tropes do you want them to shoe-horn into ME3?

[marshalleck]

It's not really sci-fi specific but I always enjoy a round of xanatos speed chess on crack

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 août 2011 - 02:58 .

[MrDbow]

I ... fail.....

Modifié par SimplyNeo, 08 août 2011 - 03:01 .

[Annihilator27]

I dont think the Reapers are going to like it when they found out their Relay was no longer considered a "Planet"

[MrDbow]

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

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maybe they mated with humans. you never know.

Right.  I'm sure that quad-strand DNA was totally compatible.  To say nothing of potential genitalia issues.

they had a buttload of advanced technology in mars im sure they couldve figured something out.

....I am so sorry

[Anacronian Stryx]

HBC Dresden wrote...

Maybe... but a really really good writer would use that assumption and logic to paper-clip the real reason to it (Prothean protecting the development of other races, in this case humans, but possibly similar measures taken with the same goal applied to other races). That is like three birds with one stone, but that depends if the ME writers thought of that.

I don't know it does seem a little to.. hmm contrived.

I personally believe that the protheons left and they were the last to visit the sol system, After some time the relay powers down and goes dormant - some time later an asteroid strikes Pluto's icy core and spews wast quantities of water in the area, water is trapped in the relays gravity well and voila Charon is formed. (this is actually the current theory of Charon's genesis minus the relay).

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

Right.  I'm sure that quad-strand DNA was totally compatible.  To say nothing of potential genitalia issues.

Play "Destroy All Humans". It's exactly what happened.

[didymos1120]

annihilator27 wrote...

I dont think the Reapers are going to like it when they found out their Relay was no longer considered a "Planet"

Well, they're not going to because the relay was inside Charon. You know: Pluto's moon.  That was never called a planet in the first place.