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[Sisterofshane]

Skirata129 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

eh, bioware might be foreshadowing something. why else would they name the relay after the boatman that transports the souls of the dead to the underworld?

 

They named the relay after Pluto's moon, Charon, which actually exists in real life.

And the fact that the Planet (if you can call it that anymore) is named "Pluto" (god of the underworld) means that it was aptly named.

Still, a very good and interesting parallel.  I wonder if the writers had meant it to happen...

well, I meant in the sense that the moon was chosen for it's name. they could easily gone with an unnamed or numbered icy asteroid in the belt and avoided all the mythological connotations if they had so desired.

Ah. then I misunderstood!  Sorry about that!
And now that we have the Charon/Cerberus connections to the underworld, I am fully intriguied as to whether it was purposefully done by the writers...

[Dr JewLove]

SimplyNeo wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

*snip*

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maybe they mated with humans. you never know.

Right.  I'm sure that quad-strand DNA was totally compatible.  To say nothing of potential genitalia issues.

they had a buttload of advanced technology in mars im sure they couldve figured something out.

....I am so sorry

nice:D about time i see something funny on these forums...........dont ever do that again:devil:




jk keep messing with my posts it makes this convo entertaining

[Dr JewLove]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

even if the protheans did encase the relay in ice it wouldn't make sense to just die out on mars. i mean they could've just lived on earth. I'm sure they could've easily avoided being discovered.

Where they would have died out.  No way they had the population to last very long, and especially not without all the tech their entire civilization depended on.

maybe they mated with humans. you never know.

Right.  I'm sure that quad-strand DNA was totally compatible.  To say nothing of potential genitalia issues.

they had a buttload of advanced technology in mars im sure they couldve figured something out.

Just how many bad sci-fi tropes do you want them to shoe-horn into ME3?

what do you mean? ive never seen this happen in another sci fi movie and i watch the scifi channel alot.

[SandTrout]

I think that it is notable how quickly Humanity was able to match the general technology level of the rest of the galaxy. We are not noted as being significantly smarter than other species, but while most species apparently had their first experiences with ME tech when they found the Relays, Mars still had a relatively intact cache of Prothean technology which jump-started our technological status.

These kinds of surviving relics of the Prothean empire are apparently practically non-existent, even on worlds like Feros that were widely settled by the Protheans. It would appear that the Mars facility was not subject to the Reapers' cleansing of the galaxy of Prothean tech for some reason or another.

This fact leads me to believe the conclusion from Mimaz's dissertation that the Mars Protheans may have eluded the Reapers. I doubt that they were instrumental in our evolution into sapient beings because the proto-human subject that is so famous from the artifact in ME1 had apparently already achieved sapience. However, the Protheans may have realized that Earth was producing a sapient species likely to achieve space-flight in the distant future, and ensure that their Mars facility would remain as intact as possible, so that we could harness the ME tech quickly. The legacy of the Mars Protheans may not have been humanity itself, but rather a Promethean gift of technology.

The fact that we only achieved space-travel near the end of the current cycle is something that they could could not have predicted with accuracy. They may have even expected us to be the first to the stars during the next cycle, which many have suspected was supposed to start over a thousand years ago with the Rachni Wars.

[ThePwener]

Dr JewLove wrote...

what do you mean? ive never seen this happen in another sci fi movie and i watch the scifi channel alot.

You do? Really? Really really? I doubt it. Click me to find out just how many there are.

[Dr JewLove]

ThePwener wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

what do you mean? ive never seen this happen in another sci fi movie and i watch the scifi channel alot.

You do? Really? Really really? I doubt it. Click me to find out just how many there are.

tbh im so lost right now. i only meant that the protheans mated with the humans. i dont see how that would count as them turnng on their masters and whatnot.


also dethklok blasting in my ear is messing up my train of thought.



and all i see in sci fi movies is giant ass monsters always eating humans.

[Sisterofshane]

SandTrout wrote...

I think that it is notable how quickly Humanity was able to match the general technology level of the rest of the galaxy. We are not noted as being significantly smarter than other species, but while most species apparently had their first experiences with ME tech when they found the Relays, Mars still had a relatively intact cache of Prothean technology which jump-started our technological status.

These kinds of surviving relics of the Prothean empire are apparently practically non-existent, even on worlds like Feros that were widely settled by the Protheans. It would appear that the Mars facility was not subject to the Reapers' cleansing of the galaxy of Prothean tech for some reason or another.

This fact leads me to believe the conclusion from Mimaz's dissertation that the Mars Protheans may have eluded the Reapers. I doubt that they were instrumental in our evolution into sapient beings because the proto-human subject that is so famous from the artifact in ME1 had apparently already achieved sapience. However, the Protheans may have realized that Earth was producing a sapient species likely to achieve space-flight in the distant future, and ensure that their Mars facility would remain as intact as possible, so that we could harness the ME tech quickly. The legacy of the Mars Protheans may not have been humanity itself, but rather a Promethean gift of technology.

The fact that we only achieved space-travel near the end of the current cycle is something that they could could not have predicted with accuracy. They may have even expected us to be the first to the stars during the next cycle, which many have suspected was supposed to start over a thousand years ago with the Rachni Wars.

So interesting!  Adds another layer upon why they may have wanted the Charon Relay to be inaccessible in the first place.  Perhaps they were hoping to shield us from the Reaper invasion before we had managed to even achieve space flight (assuming that the Reapers also extinguish any life in the galaxy that is close to achieving this during the Reaping period, as not to interrupt the cycle).  If the cycle HAD occured during the Rachni wars, we would be reaching our *cusp* ( as the Reapers like to refer to it) of technological advancement, and would have thousands upon thousands of years in which to evolve beyond such until the Reapers returned.

If nothing about the Reapers origins are revealed in the next game, I do hope that the answers to the ending of the Prothean Civilization are.  I don't think it would cheapen the game at all.

[xXRevan0515Xx]

ThePwener wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

what do you mean? ive never seen this happen in another sci fi movie and i watch the scifi channel alot.

You do? Really? Really really? I doubt it. Click me to find out just how many there are.

Actually this fits a little better.

[ThePwener]

Dr JewLove wrote...

tbh im so lost right now. i only meant that the protheans mated with the humans. i dont see how that would count as them turnng on their masters and whatnot.

Oh, that..... see "Destroy  All Humans" plot.

[ThePwener]

xXRevan0515Xx wrote...

Actually this fits a little better.

Wow.... you do know that the title "rick' rolled" pops up and I can close the window right?

FAIL

[ThePwener]

Sisterofshane wrote...

If nothing about the Reapers origins are revealed in the next game, I do hope that the answers to the ending of the Prothean Civilization are.  I don't think it would cheapen the game at all.

I expect everything to be explained in ME3. And with the rumor about Prothy, the Prothian squadmate, Im not too worried. The ME trilogy was planned before ME1 began production so they must have designed the Reaper's origins and motives as well.

I expected a lot of things to be left out for other games, for example; The Shadow Broker when I first heard of him when talking to Barla Von. But when he was introduced (and killed by Shepard no less) in LotSB, my dreams of seeing EVERYTHING ME has to offer were brought back.

[Arijharn]

SandTrout wrote...

I think that it is notable how quickly Humanity was able to match the general technology level of the rest of the galaxy. We are not noted as being significantly smarter than other species, but while most species apparently had their first experiences with ME tech when they found the Relays, Mars still had a relatively intact cache of Prothean technology which jump-started our technological status.

These kinds of surviving relics of the Prothean empire are apparently practically non-existent, even on worlds like Feros that were widely settled by the Protheans. It would appear that the Mars facility was not subject to the Reapers' cleansing of the galaxy of Prothean tech for some reason or another.

This fact leads me to believe the conclusion from Mimaz's dissertation that the Mars Protheans may have eluded the Reapers. I doubt that they were instrumental in our evolution into sapient beings because the proto-human subject that is so famous from the artifact in ME1 had apparently already achieved sapience. However, the Protheans may have realized that Earth was producing a sapient species likely to achieve space-flight in the distant future, and ensure that their Mars facility would remain as intact as possible, so that we could harness the ME tech quickly. The legacy of the Mars Protheans may not have been humanity itself, but rather a Promethean gift of technology.

The fact that we only achieved space-travel near the end of the current cycle is something that they could could not have predicted with accuracy. They may have even expected us to be the first to the stars during the next cycle, which many have suspected was supposed to start over a thousand years ago with the Rachni Wars.

While I think it's true that we aren't smarter than other species, what has been repeatedly stated is how diversive we are and how individually opinionated we are in comparison to other species. If other species generally follow more or less the same pattern of thought, then it might stand to reason that we become more 'innovative' in comparison if we had several cooks in the broth so to speak. We have an innovative streak in other words by building and adapting other people's works.

I personally find it hard to believe that a species would work to advance anothers at the expense of itself though (If they found time to advance humanity's evolution, couldn't they find time to do stuff for themselves?), I find it hard to believe that humanity was 'boosted' by the Protheans (for want of a better word) as the last hurrah due to some sense of altruism. I find it more likely that the Protheans might want to tamper with the Charon relay in order to just buy themselves more time, and human advancement was done at our own initiative more or less.

[Paul.E9190]

Lol, I find it retarded how the relay is bigger than Pluto on the Galaxy Map.

[ThePwener]

If you haven't noticed, Humanity's diversity comes at the cost of infighting and hatred towards each other and beyond. All the other species are pretty much at peace compared to earth, which is still retardedly separated by nations. Seriously, that is stupid.

[ThePwener]

Paul.E9190 wrote...

Lol, I find it retarded how the relay is bigger than Pluto on the Galaxy Map.

[Arijharn]

ThePwener wrote...

If you haven't noticed, Humanity's diversity comes at the cost of infighting and hatred towards each other and beyond. All the other species are pretty much at peace compared to earth, which is still retardedly separated by nations. Seriously, that is stupid.

What's stupid? My thoughts or the fact that we are diversive is stupid?

I hope I don't have stupid thoughts ( ), but the later I would think would be true in terms of Earth nations. But then again, so much bad blood has been spilt here on Earth that I'd think a truly extraordinary event would be necessary to unite us all.

We do have the Systems Alliance for presenting the galactic face, so maybe there's hope for us after all.

[Sisterofshane]

Arijharn wrote...


While I think it's true that we aren't smarter than other species, what has been repeatedly stated is how diversive we are and how individually opinionated we are in comparison to other species. If other species generally follow more or less the same pattern of thought, then it might stand to reason that we become more 'innovative' in comparison if we had several cooks in the broth so to speak. We have an innovative streak in other words by building and adapting other people's works.

I personally find it hard to believe that a species would work to advance anothers at the expense of itself though (If they found time to advance humanity's evolution, couldn't they find time to do stuff for themselves?), I find it hard to believe that humanity was 'boosted' by the Protheans (for want of a better word) as the last hurrah due to some sense of altruism. I find it more likely that the Protheans might want to tamper with the Charon relay in order to just buy themselves more time, and human advancement was done at our own initiative more or less.

I don't think it was done at "their expense" so to speak.  The whole idea behind mimaz's theory is that, at some point, the Protheans determined that they would be unable to save themselves from this inevitable cycle.  So, they found the biggest chinks they could in the plan (the Keepers Signal, the advancement of only one species at a time, etc.), and did the best they could in the short amount of time they had left to give the next rising civilization(s) a better chance then they ever had to stop the cycle themselves.  In fact, if this becomes the case with ourselves when the next invasion occurs, I would thoroughly expect us to do the same.

[ThePwener]

Humanity as a whole is stupid, not you. Im a nihilist so I can't help it.

[Arijharn]

Sisterofshane wrote...
I don't think it was done at "their expense" so to speak.  The whole idea behind mimaz's theory is that, at some point, the Protheans determined that they would be unable to save themselves from this inevitable cycle.  So, they found the biggest chinks they could in the plan (the Keepers Signal, the advancement of only one species at a time, etc.), and did the best they could in the short amount of time they had left to give the next rising civilization(s) a better chance then they ever had to stop the cycle themselves.  In fact, if this becomes the case with ourselves when the next invasion occurs, I would thoroughly expect us to do the same.

Maybe, it could tie into the whole thing about Ilos risking sending a signal out. Mars receives but can't answer, so knowing something of what Ilos is trying, attempts something on their own initiative. But even still, I would have thought Mars base (sara! - points for reference) first thoughts would be themselves, if only because for all they know they could be the last members of their species. I can't imagine any species wanting to just essentially accept their defeat and inevitable extinction, that's just plain too terrible to contemplate (even the thought process makes me impulsively shudder)

[Augoeides]

EternalPink wrote...

i think considering are current level of tech (edi can tell that proteans genetics have been altered etc) we'd have noticed already if we'd been tampered with

But isn't that achieved via a comparison of the collector genetic make up with trace amounts of quad strand genetic make up collected from Prothean ruins?

Unless a base line genetic structure of humans (in whatever form) from pre-Prothean intervention/occupation of that space can be found we have no proof that the current genetic framework of humans (which is what EDI would be working from) is infact unedited.

In short: You can't know if something is altered unless there is a true original. Even if it is possible to analyze the human genetic structure and backtrack alterations far enough to when Protheans were still active we don't know how much was natural genetic adaptation and how much could have been forced.

It's a shaky premise at best to say that current ME technology (that we are aware of) can say without a doubt that humanity in that continuity was not engineeredor altered in some fashion by Protheans.

EDIT: Oh and The Protheans were REALLY heavily rewritten genetically... LIKE HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY. Perhaps humanity was not altered on such a grand scale, plus thousands of years of breeding could eliminate traces of the alteration as the race adapted to it?

Don't quote on anything as fact, I'm no geneticist.

Modifié par Augoeides, 08 août 2011 - 06:58 .

[InkognitoY]

I like this theory because it gives a rational reason for cerberus wanting Shepard dead, and the Reapers invading Earth.

However I do not like the whole "Humanity is special" stuff so maybe the secret is on Mars? I think that would make more sense.

[ThePwener]

Wait, how is the secret Prothean in mars the reason for Cerberus wanting Shepard dead?

[SandTrout]

@Arijharn,

I do not think that we are disagreement. I'm going to make a detailed analysis in a separate thread.

[Arijharn]

I thought midichlorines (note; actual midichlorines, and not Mr. Lucas midichlorines) did actually track the permutations of genetic diversity? I'm not a geneticist either!

Even still, you would need ancestral Eve.

[Dr JewLove]

xXRevan0515Xx wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Dr JewLove wrote...

what do you mean? ive never seen this happen in another sci fi movie and i watch the scifi channel alot.

You do? Really? Really really? I doubt it. Click me to find out just how many there are.

Actually this fits a little better.

i listened to it. .... planet of the apes feels weird with this song playing in the background ha.

Modifié par Dr JewLove, 08 août 2011 - 07:11 .