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[Pulletlamer]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Good action and story are not mutually exclusive properties.

Exactly. In fact I believe they're additive.

Assuming Bioware is making combat better while also leveling the RPG elements, it's making better the game overall.

Nothing wrong with making gameplay better. As long as you don't make RPG worse (and we see it's not happening, BW listens to fans and are adding more customization, for example).

[littlezack]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

Eduadinho wrote...

it was a rant the author makes vast claims about what fans of bioware games like. Also playing a demo and then stating that it represents the whole game is stupid. Also just because the author shares the same opinion as you does not make it valid and a great argument that we should agree with.

Urgh.

No one wants you to agree with him. I certainly never asked that. I just asked that you don't outright dismiss it just because it isn't yet another article whose entire content is nothing more than "ME will be awesome! Omg so awesome!", which, unfortunately is exactly what you just did.

/sigh I guess that was asking too much.

Seriously. Do you read this forum at all? I could link you to a 100+ page discussion with almost nothing but complaining about Ashely's outfit.

[Blooddrunk1004]

IsaacShep wrote...

The game focuses so much on combat OR perhaps its the marketing that focuses so much on combat/action? Thse could be quote two different things.

Yeah, pretty much ^ this
E3 videos were all action focused anyway, same for Comic-Con.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 07 août 2011 - 10:24 .

[littlezack]

Ah, never mind, checked the profile. You really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

[marshalleck]

I came to this thread expecting a good article, and all I got was this? I want my click back.

[Kel_Sjet]

littlezack wrote...

Seriously. Do you read this forum at all? I could link you to a 100+ page discussion with almost nothing but complaining about Ashely's outfit.

If you reread what you just wrote, you'll realize that you actually just proved my point for me. If you don't get it at first, think about it for a while.

On a more important note, please keep the discussion on topic in this thread. This thread is about the article linked in the OP, not about the dysfunction of the forums. We can discuss that in some other thread if you want. I really don't want to give the mods a 'reason' to delete this thread.
"Going off topic" is a common one used to lock/delete such threads.

[SNascimento]

From the article:
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The reason BioWare has built up such a strong and dedicated fanbase over the years is because its team are so skilled at creating compelling, sophisticated and expansive gameworlds, populated by complex, diverse characters, brimming with wondrous places to explore and ultimately allowing the player to build their own character’s skills and personality, making crucial decisions that shape the story along the way.
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Mass Effect 2 has all those things.
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This is what worries me then, as we look ahead to Mass Effect 3. It may well be an ultra-slick, epic, blockbuster of a shooter. It may have an incredible Clint Mansell soundtrack. But if it turns out to be little more than a GoW or COD-style exercise in impressive set-pieces and satisfying gunplay, I’ll be heart-broken. The truth is, I have come to expect more from a BioWare game than bombast and explosions.
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It will not. Anyone with half a wit can know this.
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And about Dragon Age 2, it's a very good game. Its problems are not in the decisions the developers made but in the lack of work they put into them. If they have refined the game more, DA2 would be much better than Origins.

Modifié par SNascimento, 07 août 2011 - 10:29 .

[marshalleck]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

On a more important note, please keep the discussion on topic in this thread. This thread is about the article linked in the OP, not about the dysfunction of the forums. We can discuss that in some other thread if you want. I really don't want to give the mods a 'reason' to delete this thread.
"Going off topic" is a common one used to lock/delete such threads.

Yeah, because you're really treading dangerous new ground. Look out, he's a man on the edge and he's got nothing to lose. 

[didymos1120]

OK, wait....was that article a Terror_K post?

[Homey C-Dawg]

TBH even though I've read the Bioware quote that "Me3 will have richer RPG mechanics", I haven't actually heard any mention of what these "richer RPG mechanics" actually are, though I've heard lots and lots about the enhanced gunplay/cover system.

I'm beginning to wonder what these "richer RPG mechanics" actually are. Surely they aren't just referring to the "upgrade each ability multiple times" deal.

[marshalleck]

didymos1120 wrote...

OK, wait....was that article a Terror_K post?

I think it was a composite made by random sampling of the 500 or so threads all saying the exact same thing every day around here.

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 10:30 .

[littlezack]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Seriously. Do you read this forum at all? I could link you to a 100+ page discussion with almost nothing but complaining about Ashely's outfit.

If you reread what you just wrote, you'll realize that you actually just proved my point for me. If you don't get it at first, think about it for a while.

Yeah, yeah, the whole 'No reading comprehension' comeback. Typical.

Just about every locked thread you'll find here was A) redundant (we don't need ten threads discussing Blonde femshep) blantantly off-topc (discussing ME2's problems on the ME3 forum) C) or obvious trolling. Seeing as this is the first and only time you've posted in the ME3 forum, and the only time you've ever posted besides this was to make a very similar topic on the DA2 forum, I find it very...very difficult to believe you have any grasp on the moderator trends of this place.

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

OK, wait....was that article a Terror_K post?

I think it was a composite made by random sampling of the 500 or so threads all saying the exact same thing every day around here.

That makes more sense.  It was actually very nice to ME2, which falsifies my hypothesis handily.

[marshalleck]

didymos1120 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

OK, wait....was that article a Terror_K post?

I think it was a composite made by random sampling of the 500 or so threads all saying the exact same thing every day around here.

That makes more sense.  It was actually very nice to ME2, which falsifies my hypothesis handily.

Haha. 

Terror_K only hits ME2 because he cares, and wants it to be better.

[Eduadinho]

things like "richer rpg mechanics" are buzzwords they keep the weirdos occupied while Bioware continues to make good games.

[KreeCapt]

IsaacShep wrote...

Not a very good article. Why? Because it's biased. Why? Because it brings all the quotes from BioWare devs saying how ME3 will be like Gears of War/action-adventure etc. but deliberately ignores all their quotes when they talk about returning RPG elements absent from ME2 and how they've heard the criticism over that and will do the best to fix it. This is simply pur bias, no matter how you try to spin it. It also ingnores actual hardcore proofs of returning customization etc. as presented in gameplay demos at Comic-Con for example. Furthermore, through the wording and selective quoting, the article actually suggests plot/choices/characters are somehow becoming less important which is pure BS. And most importantly, the article fails to ackowledge the fact that BioWare talks about GOW/action-adventure inspiration regarding action/combat elements & scenes in ME3, not RPG mechanics and elements.

Seriously, I'm all for criticisism. But sometimes I feel like hardcore RPG fans will never be happy unless BioWare's marketing departement talks solely about skill trees, experience points and mods and ignores absolutely everything else.

Agreed.

[littlezack]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

TBH even though I've read the Bioware quote that "Me3 will have richer RPG mechanics", I haven't actually heard any mention of what these "richer RPG mechanics" actually are, though I've heard lots and lots about the enhanced gunplay/cover system.

I'm beginning to wonder what these "richer RPG mechanics" actually are. Surely they aren't just referring to the "upgrade each ability multiple times" deal.

You can see some of the screen for the leveling up. It seems more like a happy combination of  ME1 and ME2, like a more detailed and indepth system. We've also seen that you can modify weapons to a certain degree, and that you can actually see the changes. Time will tell how it pans out in the game, but I think most would agree it's at least a step in the right direction.

[Kel_Sjet]

littlezack wrote...
Yeah, yeah, the whole 'No reading comprehension' comeback. Typical.

Actually I said "if you reread what you just wrote" not reread what I wrote.

And if what you say is true about mods only banning people for trolling, then why are you still in this thread? Why haven't you been banned yet? You are having an off topic trollfest in a thread that is about an article.

Could it be because you aren't saying anything bad about the game? Hmm, interesting.

[Han Shot First]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Good action and story are not mutually exclusive properties.

This.

Just because the shooter aspects of the game play more like a shooter, doesn't  necessarily mean that the game is a Gears of War Clone that is all action and no roleplaying.

The article is nothing more than overreaction to speculation.

[Montana]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

TBH even though I've read the Bioware quote that "Me3 will have richer RPG mechanics", I haven't actually heard any mention of what these "richer RPG mechanics" actually are, though I've heard lots and lots about the enhanced gunplay/cover system.

I'm beginning to wonder what these "richer RPG mechanics" actually are. Surely they aren't just referring to the "upgrade each ability multiple times" deal.

My guess is that they're adding some things back that was already present in ME1.

ME3 is sort of BioWares last chance for me, I got the ME3CE on preorder but if they fail to impress me, it'll probably be the last preorder from BW.
DA2 hurt BWs reputation in my book, it didn't have the "BioWare feeling" that I love, and another game like DA2 would probably make me loose faith in them as a great game developer.

[littlezack]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

littlezack wrote...
Yeah, yeah, the whole 'No reading comprehension' comeback. Typical.

Actually I said "if you reread what you just wrote" not reread what I wrote.

And if what you say is true about mods only banning people for trolling, then why are you still in this thread? Why haven't you been banned yet? You are having an off topic trollfest in a thread that is about an article.

Could it be because you aren't saying anything bad about the game? Hmm, interesting.

People say bad things about the game all the time. Just ask Marsh. He says quite a few of them himself, and he ain't banned.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Eduadinho wrote...

things like "richer rpg mechanics" are buzzwords they keep the weirdos occupied while Bioware continues to make good games.

Buzzwords like "awesome button" and "action-packed" are much stupider, imo.

Besides, "richer RPG mechanics" means more character customization, which seems to carry a stigma among many FPS fans here. For some weird reason. People who dislike character customization must either be VERY impatient, or VERY uncreative.

[diskoh]

Kel_Sjet wrote...
I know there is somewhat of a stigma attached to posting stuff on these forums that aren't just outright praising Bioware and ME3

You kidding? There's more people attacking Bioware than people who actually like Mass Effect here.

[DDG4005]

Action RPGs have been on rise the last few years. That doesn't make them any less RPGs because of it. I'm sure Mass Effect 3 will be the perfect distillation of RPG and third-person action.