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[crimzontearz]

davidshooter wrote...

Bioware is just trying to ensure that the gamers who pick up ME3 off the shelf in their local gamestore who haven't played the previous games don't say to themselves "this looks really cool, but if I buy it I won't know what's going on with the story" and then put it back. Bioware wants to get the message out to everyone that if you think ME3 looks fun and is worth buying, don't worry if you haven't played the other 2 games, you'll still enjoy it.

Siverman is a bit of an idiot, but this is just marketing 101 - except for not actually knowing how long it's been since the first game came out, and the awesome button thing, and well.......never mind, Silverman's an idiot.

of course you won't

you know, like when you pick up  the 3d book in a running serie with an over arching story

[RocketManSR2]

SalsaDMA wrote...

so how is it a marketing rep can get away with calling the companys loyal customers for 'rain man' types?

Glad I'm not the only one who saw this. There is no defending this idiot. Do not try. "Romances? Who cares, this is war!" <_<

[marshalleck]

David Silverman isn't an idiot, he's just very enthusiastic

[crimzontearz]

marshalleck wrote...

David Silverman isn't an idiot, he's just very enthusiastic

one CAN be enthusiastic while ALSO appearing like he knows the product he is selling

[marshalleck]

crimzontearz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

David Silverman isn't an idiot, he's just very enthusiastic

one CAN be enthusiastic while ALSO appearing like he knows the product he is selling

and?

[crimzontearz]

marshalleck wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

David Silverman isn't an idiot, he's just very enthusiastic

one CAN be enthusiastic while ALSO appearing like he knows the product he is selling

and?

and he does not

[davidshooter]

crimzontearz wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

Bioware is just trying to ensure that the gamers who pick up ME3 off the shelf in their local gamestore who haven't played the previous games don't say to themselves "this looks really cool, but if I buy it I won't know what's going on with the story" and then put it back. Bioware wants to get the message out to everyone that if you think ME3 looks fun and is worth buying, don't worry if you haven't played the other 2 games, you'll still enjoy it.

Siverman is a bit of an idiot, but this is just marketing 101 - except for not actually knowing how long it's been since the first game came out, and the awesome button thing, and well.......never mind, Silverman's an idiot.

of course you won't

you know, like when you pick up  the 3d book in a running serie with an over arching story

Bioware can't limit themselves to only the people who have bought the previous games when marketing a new game - it's just the way it is in the gaming industry.  The new game has to be playable on it's own, and people who might think otherwise must be made aware that they won't be lost if they enter the series with the third game.  If you remember, one of the only negative things ME2 got in it's professional reviews (IGN I think) was that it was too self referential to the first game. I don't personally agree with that but they have to take these kinds of things into consideration when marketing a new game - I wish they didn't, I've been on board since day one, but they just do, there is too much money at stake to make a game that can't stand alone.

[davidshooter]

marshalleck wrote...

David Silverman isn't an idiot, he's just very enthusiastic

Silverman may or may not be an idiot, but he is not the best guy to have in front of the camera and behind the mic live.  He may be brilliant behind the scenes but he doesn't effectively convey the vibe of a thoughtful, deep story based game - at least to me anyway.  Many other companies have less over the top people selling games of this type.

[marshalleck]

How many other companies are making games like Mass Effect?

[crimzontearz]

2 things david

1: Yes, ME3 needs to be playable on its own but NOT at the cost of what made the serie great AND what was the very core of the marketed features of the serie as a whole proposed to us all with ME1

2: Silverman is not great behind the scenes either. he DID come up with "Think like a general fight like a spartan" and "push a button and something awesome happens" and shoved it down the throat of EVERY PR person for Dragon Age 2. That's DEFINITELY not being great

[davidshooter]

marshalleck wrote...

How many other companies are making games like Mass Effect?

I assume your asking me?

I generally agree with most of the things you post on this board so it's odd to be having a dispute over the effectiveness of Silverman with you.  Of all the marketing people you have seen and can imagine is Silverman really at the top of the list of people you would put in charge of marketing this game?  Again, I'm not disputing he may be good at what he does behind the scenes, but I find it hard to believe most people think this guy belongs in front of the camera as the face of Mass Effect marketing - just my opinion.

[davidshooter]

crimzontearz wrote...

2 things david

1: Yes, ME3 needs to be playable on its own but NOT at the cost of what made the serie great AND what was the very core of the marketed features of the serie as a whole proposed to us all with ME1

2: Silverman is not great behind the scenes either. he DID come up with "Think like a general fight like a spartan" and "push a button and something awesome happens" and shoved it down the throat of EVERY PR person for Dragon Age 2. That's DEFINITELY not being great

1. Again, I'm not sure how much I actually disagree with your point of view.  New players have to feel like they can join in (without having to buy 2 earlier games) but old players need to feel rewarded for being there from the beginning too.  Finding this balance is key, but I don't think the pre-release words of Silverman are our best indication of how well Bioware meets this challenge.  As I said before, one of the most influential review sites has already accused ME2 of being to self referential and while I don't personally agree with that if it were my company and my money, I wouldn't ignore a review like that either.

2. There is a lot more to marketing beyond what the public sees, so I don't want to presume I can judge him and the job he does in its entirety, but I'm not going to spend any energy defending Silverman either.  If it were my company I would have someone else "out there" as I said earlier.  And Dragon Age's problem wasn't the marketing, it was the product.  And since lots of people bought the product and were then disappointed one could probably even argue that in some respects the marketing was succesful.  But again, Silverman would not be my choice.

Modifié par davidshooter, 09 août 2011 - 02:03 .

[marshalleck]

davidshooter wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

How many other companies are making games like Mass Effect?

I assume your asking me?

I generally agree with most of the things you post on this board so it's odd to be having a dispute over the effectiveness of Silverman with you.  Of all the marketing people you have seen and can imagine is Silverman really at the top of the list of people you would put in charge of marketing this game?  Again, I'm not disputing he may be good at what he does behind the scenes, but I find it hard to believe most people think this guy belongs in front of the camera as the face of Mass Effect marketing - just my opinion.

Sometimes I like to be oppositional. Still, I don't see "many" companies making games similar to Mass Effect. There's a handful, at best. 

[crimzontearz]

davidshooter wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

2 things david

1: Yes, ME3 needs to be playable on its own but NOT at the cost of what made the serie great AND what was the very core of the marketed features of the serie as a whole proposed to us all with ME1

2: Silverman is not great behind the scenes either. he DID come up with "Think like a general fight like a spartan" and "push a button and something awesome happens" and shoved it down the throat of EVERY PR person for Dragon Age 2. That's DEFINITELY not being great

1. Again, I'm not sure how much I actually disagree with your point of view.  New players have to feel like they can join in (without having to buy 2 earlier games) but old players need to feel rewarded for being there from the beginning too.  Finding this balance is key, but I don't think the pre-release words of Silverman are our best indication of how well Bioware meets this challenge.  As I said before, one of the most influential review sites has already accused ME2 of being to self referential and while I don't personally agree with that if it were my company and my money, I wouldn't ignore a review like that either.

2. There is a lot more to marketing beyond what the public sees, so I don't want to presume I can judge him and the job he does in its entirety, but I'm not going to spend any energy defending Silverman either.  If it were my company I would have someone else "out there"

1: yet, a lot of the fanbase is saying the "references" were not enough. I wonder if those same reviewers would review, say, the return of the jedi and call it overly self referential or if they are saying that of Mass Effect 2 because it is a game. Sure, Balance is the Key BUT, Bioware sold me on ME1 telling me the next 2 games would be heavily influenced by my actions and each playthrough would be unique and that I would have a great emotional investment in the characters. Silverman in one single interview pretty much defecated on all of that. Saying that silverman's interviews are not the best indication of Bioware's intents is a great understatement

2:I would have someone "in here" or "out there" who actually first and foremost has passion for the product. Silverman does not have it apparently

Modifié par crimzontearz, 09 août 2011 - 02:16 .

[davidshooter]

marshalleck wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

How many other companies are making games like Mass Effect?

I assume your asking me?

I generally agree with most of the things you post on this board so it's odd to be having a dispute over the effectiveness of Silverman with you.  Of all the marketing people you have seen and can imagine is Silverman really at the top of the list of people you would put in charge of marketing this game?  Again, I'm not disputing he may be good at what he does behind the scenes, but I find it hard to believe most people think this guy belongs in front of the camera as the face of Mass Effect marketing - just my opinion.

Sometimes I like to be oppositional. Still, I don't see "many" companies making games similar to Mass Effect. There's a handful, at best. 

No, I don't either and it remains one of my favorite franchises.   I like both RPGs and straight up shooters so I don't really care which way the game leans in terms of genre as long as the execution is there.

[davidshooter]

crimzontearz wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

2 things david

1: Yes, ME3 needs to be playable on its own but NOT at the cost of what made the serie great AND what was the very core of the marketed features of the serie as a whole proposed to us all with ME1

2: Silverman is not great behind the scenes either. he DID come up with "Think like a general fight like a spartan" and "push a button and something awesome happens" and shoved it down the throat of EVERY PR person for Dragon Age 2. That's DEFINITELY not being great

1. Again, I'm not sure how much I actually disagree with your point of view.  New players have to feel like they can join in (without having to buy 2 earlier games) but old players need to feel rewarded for being there from the beginning too.  Finding this balance is key, but I don't think the pre-release words of Silverman are our best indication of how well Bioware meets this challenge.  As I said before, one of the most influential review sites has already accused ME2 of being to self referential and while I don't personally agree with that if it were my company and my money, I wouldn't ignore a review like that either.

2. There is a lot more to marketing beyond what the public sees, so I don't want to presume I can judge him and the job he does in its entirety, but I'm not going to spend any energy defending Silverman either.  If it were my company I would have someone else "out there"

1: yet, a lot of the fanbase is saying the "references" were not enough. I wonder if those same reviewers would review, say, the return of the jedi and call it overly self referential of if thyey are saying that of Mass Effect 2 because it is a game. Sure, Balance is the Key BUT, Bioware sold me on ME2 telling me the next 2 games would be heavily influenced by my actions and each playthrough would be unique and that I would have a great emotional investment in the characters. Silverman in one single interview pretty much defecated on all of that. Saying that silverman's interviews are not the best indication of Bioware's intents is a great understatement

2:I would have someone "in here" or "out there" who actually first and foremost has passion for the product. Silverman does not have it apparently

1 I actually agree with you, I just hope Silvermen is somewhat misrepresenting the game to newcomers more than he is actually representing it to older players but we won't know until we actually have the game.

2.Agreed, I don't particularly like him either.

[crimzontearz]

hence why I am PRAYING for someone from the press who actually has passion for the serie to call him on his utter BS

[Bonereaver Karraji]

I think that the Mass Effect 3 looks balanced but more shifted to the hardcore side because I think the devoted a lot of time making sure there would be few plot holes or inconsistencies in the story line. I think they really enhanced the game play as well, making the mix between shooter/rpg a little more balanced. I'd much rather there be a little less shooting just because I get so into the story and I'm so interested on how most of my decisions impact the entire atmosphere of the game. Just like the other two games, I'm certain this one will have a great story, probably better then the other two and a great vibe of mix-genre. I will definitely be pleased by the outcome of the #1 game of next year.
I think I [left the iron on].

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 août 2011 - 10:36 .

[Luigitornado]

[In Exile]

I wouldn't put much stock in what Silverman says. DA2 didn't have much of an awesome button, after all.

[TheRealJayDee]

I'm sorry, but for some reason I can't help but imagine him having nothing but Michael Bay movies at home. Actually, now I kind of want to watch a Bay movie with him, I think it might really be fun!

But seriously, I can't really judge how well he does with appealing to new players or working behind the scenes, but everything I hear from his public statements leaves me either confused or scared...

[Red Son Rising]

i dont think theyre misrepresenting the game at all. ppl shouldnt have to reference 2 other sources just to enjoy new content, sequels should stand their own

re Aliens, Predator 2, Mass Effect 2, Gears 2, Speaker for the Dead, The Lost World: it doesnt matter what media youre consuming, the sequel should make sense on its own

prior elements and characters should be incorporated without making the plot impossible to follow without checking google for backstory. ME3 should be accessible to new players

[MrFob]

So how about Empire Strikes Back or Two Towers then?

[Kasai666]

In Exile wrote...

I wouldn't put much stock in what Silverman says. DA2 didn't have much of an awesome button, after all.

Are you daft? Of course it did! The off button.