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[lovgreno]

ThePwener wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Paragons, deal with it!

Okay. I choose to save the DA, because the thought that humanity is capable of running the Citadel and the Council in any civilized and good manner after spending not even half a century on the field is just laughable.

The Collector Base will put everyone in line.

Or put everyone in reaper making machines, starting with humanity. That is also a possibility.

[ThePwener]

lovgreno wrote...

Or put everyone in reaper making machines, starting with humanity. That is also a possibility.

It's a possibility in theory form, not in metagaming form. In metagaming form, it secures Humanity's place above everyone else. Yeah, suck it aliens!

[Barquiel]

The loss of 20 cruisers shouldn't make much of a dent on the Turian fleets.

[ThePwener]

Barquiel wrote...

The loss of 20 cruisers shouldn't make much of a dent on the Turian fleets.

Tell that to the game.

[Someone With Mass]

ThePwener wrote...

The Collector Base will put everyone in line.

What Collector base? All I can see is a scrapheap.

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

The Collector Base will put everyone in line.

What Collector base? All I can see is a scrapheap.

The one Cerberus got tech from despite your rash and impulsive decision.

[armass]

Arcian wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The loss of 20 cruisers shouldn't make much of a dent on the Turian fleets.

I agree, so clearly they lost a lot more than twenty.

It is said, in-game in ME2, that they lost 20 cruisers. Not less, not more, but 20 cruisers exactly.

EDIT: 20 cruisers in the Citadel Fleet. Their "home" fleets are still perfectly intact, or it would be pointless to recruit them in ME3.

Exactly my point. Drew can tell Planet X has pink bunnies that speak chinese in the book and fans will treat it as canon, it still dosent make sense when you start adding things up. Use ur own mind people.

Modifié par armass, 08 août 2011 - 09:11 .

[Darkelefantos1]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If so I'd agree it doesn't make much sense, but humanity appears to be on top anyway so must be a more significant loss than it appears to be.

I doubt it. 20 Cruisers are insignificant if you have more than 20 dreadnoughts. Also, the Treaty of Varixen regulates that the Turian fleet is the biggest and strongest. 

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...
The one Cerberus got tech from despite your rash and impulsive decision.

Oh. So he's expecting...Cerberus to keep the, oh so dangerous aliens in check?

HA. They can't even control themselves. What a joke.

[Praetor Knight]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arcian wrote...

It is said, in-game in ME2, that they lost 20 cruisers. Not less, not more, but 20 cruisers exactly.

EDIT: 20 cruisers in the Citadel Fleet. Their "home" fleets are still perfectly intact, or it would be pointless to recruit them in ME3.

Where is that said? I've never heard that number.

If so I'd agree it doesn't make much sense, but humanity appears to be on top anyway so must be a more significant loss than it appears to be.

Here's a video:

[ThePwener]

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

The Collector Base will put everyone in line.

What Collector base? All I can see is a scrapheap.

The one Cerberus got tech from despite your rash and impulsive decision.

Ouch, hehehe.

[Someone With Mass]

Darkelefantos1 wrote...

I doubt it. 20 Cruisers are insignificant if you have more than 20 dreadnoughts. Also, the Treaty of Varixen regulates that the Turian fleet is the biggest and strongest. 

Also, if the Council dies, the turians don't give a damn about that treaty and just start to build as many ships as they want.

That's totally not a recipe for disaster.

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
The one Cerberus got tech from despite your rash and impulsive decision.

Oh. So he's expecting...Cerberus to keep the, oh so dangerous aliens in check?

HA. They can't even control themselves. What a joke.

Who said anything about keeping them in check? I want to juice them and turn them into spaceships.

[ThePwener]

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
The one Cerberus got tech from despite your rash and impulsive decision.

Oh. So he's expecting...Cerberus to keep the, oh so dangerous aliens in check?

HA. They can't even control themselves. What a joke.

Who said anything about keeping them in check? I want to juice them and turn them into spaceships.

You mean the new aliens from Invasion? Those are probably Protheans....

[Zulu_DFA]

didymos1120 wrote...

Apparently, that was an error that slipped into Ascension. Chris L'Etoile did indeed confirm that on the wiki:

Well, as much as I respect Chris, I say he should rethink that statement and am going take Drew's word here over his. In the quote you bring up, he invokes the 1:11 figure, which is clear reference to the "Treaty of Farixen", which is most probably still in effect after the Battle of the Citadel, but that means quite little, because:

1. It just puts max limits on what races are allowed to have, but not necessarilly had maintained even before the Battle (I remember reading somewhere that the Salarians had only 16 dreadnoughts, which was below 3:1 ratio with the Alliance, that was about to commission its 7th dreadnought).

2. It can be simply disregarded - and the Turians openly do that in ME2, as you can hear on the Citadel News.

3. It covers only dreadnought totals, and doesn't take into account their age, quality and state, as well as other factors of starfleet might, that allow to work around those limits without directly violating them - which the Humans do by building fighter carriers and stealth frigates, and having their "rogue black ops" units develop advanced military AIs and steal what little the other races manage to develop themselves *cough* Garrus... Thannix cannon... on Cerberus ship...  *cough*.

In any case, the real ratio of fleet power between the Alliance and everyone else obviously cannot be the same, when the Council has been bailed out at the expence of Human ships and lives and when the Alliance losses have been minimized. In light of this the paragons (aka Alliance-haters) can of course enjoy their non-canonical universes, still dominated by the kewl alainz.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Paragons, deal with it!

Okay. I choose to save the DA, because the thought that humanity is capable of running the Citadel and the Council in any civilized and good manner after spending not even half a century on the field is just laughable.

Okay. But this eventuality is non-canon. Deal with it.

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[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Okay. But this eventuality is non-canon. Deal with it.

I should care that they game has some pre-set chocies that I'm not following at all, because I have a will of my own, because...?

Variables?

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 08 août 2011 - 09:26 .

[Praetor Knight]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Here's a video:

*snip*

Hey, you asked for source, there it was.



Besides, my brain hurts and I'm too tired to argue valid points right now

[utdan]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arcian wrote...

It is said, in-game in ME2, that they lost 20 cruisers. Not less, not more, but 20 cruisers exactly.

EDIT: 20 cruisers in the Citadel Fleet. Their "home" fleets are still perfectly intact, or it would be pointless to recruit them in ME3.

Where is that said? I've never heard that number.

If so I'd agree it doesn't make much sense, but humanity appears to be on top anyway so must be a more significant loss than it appears to be.

If you save the DA in ME1, when your talking to the punchable reporter in ME2 the charm option has Shep stating the Turians lost 20 cruisers. Though i assume that only happens if you save the DA and they'd lose a lot more/be in a weaker position than they were in comparison to humanity if you didn't save it. I can't remember anywhere in game after saving the DA which alludes to the turians being significantly weakened or humanity catching up to them, let alone surpassing them in military strength.

edit: damn im slow

Modifié par whoISthatgirl, 08 août 2011 - 09:27 .

[lovgreno]

Canon-Shmanon. Just create the story you prefer and stop pretending that your opinion are the superiour. I'm sure most of us have enough self esteem to admit that there are more than one way to see things.