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[Augustei]

After discovering that Revered Mother Dorothea ended up becoming the divine I began to think perhaps Bioware will place people we know from previous games in positions of power around thedas and with Corypheus presented to us in the latest DLC Corypehus escapes by posessing either Janeka or Larius. A great way for our choice to be echoed throughout thedas giving it proper weight and imo a cool little story arc that could happen is Janeka or Larius through being possessed by Corypheus uses their immense power in magic and maleficarum knowledge to take over tevinter and become its new Archon. Then with a global war seemingly happening in DA3, Have Tevinters involvement be invading and attacking the Anderfels and the wardens for revenge in his imprisonment and seeing them as a threat to his existance.

Anyone else think this might happen / is a cool idea?

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 08 août 2011 - 06:28 .

[JedTed]

That is an interesting idea, i like having minor characters from previous games playing slightly larger roles later in the series. I wonder if Corypheus will seek out the Architect(if you let him live) and join forces with him maybe.

[Augustei]

JedTed wrote...

That is an interesting idea, i like having minor characters from previous games playing slightly larger roles later in the series. I wonder if Corypheus will seek out the Architect(if you let him live) and join forces with him maybe.

That'd be cool, a race with the duo to find the remaining magisters while battling their Darkspawn / Tevinter soldiers

[whykikyouwhy]

I would think that the magisters would be able to reach each other by means that aren't physical. So while it's quite possible that they would connect and communicate somehow, I think Corypheus and the Architect (if he is a magister...) would wind up working together but from a distance. It's safer that way, at least until they amass their forces/concoct their plan.

But I do agree that it's nice to have continuity of characters - to see how the lives of NPCs, or the random stranger or quest participant, pan out.

[tanarri23]

I suspect he'll go to Tevinter and start up major trouble there. Trouble for the rest of the currently very distracted world, that is. Tevinter is also likely to support the mages of the world in their rebellion so it might well be hello, new world-wide empire ruled by magic. Possibly with an army of darkspawn, too.

All the more reason to have DA3 set in Tevinter instead of Orlais

Modifié par tanarri23, 08 août 2011 - 10:18 .

[Augustei]

tanarri23 wrote...

I suspect he'll go to Tevinter and start up major trouble there. Trouble for the rest of the currently very distracted world, that is. Tevinter is also likely to support the mages of the world in their rebellion so it might well be hello, new world-wide empire ruled by magic. Possibly with an army of darkspawn, too.

All the more reason to have DA3 set in Tevinter instead of Orlais

I dont think Tevinter will support the mages tbh. Tevinters magisters hate foreign mages especially those who enter the imperium, seeing them as political competition. So the magisters would most likely be against bringing foreign mages into the Imperium. Its mentioned somewhere in DAII somewhere.. Cant remember where though, from a codex or maybe fenris said it..

[HSHAW]

XxDeonxX wrote...

JedTed wrote...

That is an interesting idea, i like having minor characters from previous games playing slightly larger roles later in the series. I wonder if Corypheus will seek out the Architect(if you let him live) and join forces with him maybe.

That'd be cool, a race with the duo to find the remaining magisters while battling their Darkspawn / Tevinter soldiers

Wouldn't this have the side effect of guaranteeing that everybody kills the architect?

[DKJaigen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

tanarri23 wrote...

I suspect he'll go to Tevinter and start up major trouble there. Trouble for the rest of the currently very distracted world, that is. Tevinter is also likely to support the mages of the world in their rebellion so it might well be hello, new world-wide empire ruled by magic. Possibly with an army of darkspawn, too.

All the more reason to have DA3 set in Tevinter instead of Orlais

I dont think Tevinter will support the mages tbh. Tevinters magisters hate foreign mages especially those who enter the imperium, seeing them as political competition. So the magisters would most likely be against bringing foreign mages into the Imperium. Its mentioned somewhere in DAII somewhere.. Cant remember where though, from a codex or maybe fenris said it..

Where do you get this from? Fenris says the exact opposite to anders . The only thing we know is that mages have a social hieracy but it says nothing about not tolerating mages from foreign lands

[Augustei]

DKJaigen wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

tanarri23 wrote...

I suspect he'll go to Tevinter and start up major trouble there. Trouble for the rest of the currently very distracted world, that is. Tevinter is also likely to support the mages of the world in their rebellion so it might well be hello, new world-wide empire ruled by magic. Possibly with an army of darkspawn, too.

All the more reason to have DA3 set in Tevinter instead of Orlais

I dont think Tevinter will support the mages tbh. Tevinters magisters hate foreign mages especially those who enter the imperium, seeing them as political competition. So the magisters would most likely be against bringing foreign mages into the Imperium. Its mentioned somewhere in DAII somewhere.. Cant remember where though, from a codex or maybe fenris said it..

Where do you get this from? Fenris says the exact opposite to anders . The only thing we know is that mages have a social hieracy but it says nothing about not tolerating mages from foreign lands

I just remembered the source. David Gaider said it.

David Gaider wrote...
There's also the fact that the Tevinter magisters don't particularly
like the idea of having foreign mages flooding into the Imperium and
possibly becoming competitors-- they're not sympathetic to the plight of
mages elsewhere. Remember that the magisters are at the top of the food
chain there. For them it's a matter of political power.

Source: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/4546148/1

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 08 août 2011 - 01:35 .

[Augustei]

HSHAW wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

JedTed wrote...

That is an interesting idea, i like having minor characters from previous games playing slightly larger roles later in the series. I wonder if Corypheus will seek out the Architect(if you let him live) and join forces with him maybe.

That'd be cool, a race with the duo to find the remaining magisters while battling their Darkspawn / Tevinter soldiers

Wouldn't this have the side effect of guaranteeing that everybody kills the architect?

Hmm good point.. Maybe they could become rivals then one wanting to reattempt the golden city thing while the other wants to stop it. One wants to reforge the tevinter empire while the other wants to forget it or something.. But then everyone would spare him if he oppossed such lunacy i guess.. Idk I will think of something lol

[Rithmerdui]

What i think: Janeka would serve better as his host and would cause more trouble, since he already got his own magic and then also gain Janeka's powerful blood magic(She could rip Larius apart so she may be powerful in blood magic, and that she was confident that Corypheus could be leashed by her blood magic. She may be more stronger than she looks, just that Cory was able to block her spells, but if it was another darkspawn she would actually succeed.) But to think of Corypheus using Janeka's blood magic(And of course his own skills to manipulate tainted by Darkspawn) to mind control the Warden commander to corrupt all of the Grey Wardens. He would certainly gain a advantage.

What he would do next. (My opinion)
A) Corrupt the Grey Wardens. (Clever Choice, best choice) Would create a good story afterall and the Warden and the Champion would have to go to battle. He could pretty much do whatever he wants even start a blight and yet mind control the Wardens.
Try to restore his long lost Empire. (Mad Choice)
C) Go to the Darkspawn. (Intelligent choice)

Modifié par Nemeriss, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:06 .

[The Baconer]

Hopefully he doesn't plan on doing something particularly insane. I'd rather not have to kill him.

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

After discovering that Revered Mother Dorothea ended up becoming the divine I began to think perhaps Bioware will place people we know from previous games in positions of power around thedas and with Corypheus presented to us in the latest DLC Corypehus escapes by posessing either Janeka or Larius. A great way for our choice to be echoed throughout thedas giving it proper weight and imo a cool little story arc that could happen is Janeka or Larius through being possessed by Corypheus uses their immense power in magic and maleficarum knowledge to take over tevinter and become its new Archon.

How does that give our choice any meaning? If the same thing happens to Corpheus regardless of who he possessed, doesn't that make the choice as meaningless as it felt in Legacy?

XxDeonxX wrote...

Then with a global war seemingly happening in DA3, Have Tevinters involvement be invading and attacking the Anderfels and the wardens for revenge in his imprisonment and seeing them as a threat to his existance.

Anyone else think this might happen / is a cool idea?

The last thing Thedas needs is another insane mage.

[whykikyouwhy]

If any of the other original Rotten Twinkie magisters are still alive (even dormant), I think the "insane" mage thing is inevitable. Though I would probably call them power-hungry before declaring them insane. They may have possessed their full mental faculties when seeking out golden glory and godly powers - that's just a good, hearty dose of hubris, same as most villains.

[jamesp81]

I don't see Corypheus going full bore against the Anderfels, not initially. He might eventually, but Tevinter is staring down the barrel of a loaded gun where the Qunari are concerned. Whatever else he was, or is, Corypheus was a magister lord of Tevinter. One doesn't become a magister lord of Tevinter by collecting stamps. He's smart enough to know that Qunari threat will have to be dealt with first. Given how he thinks, his definition of "deal with" is probably rather permanent. And gory.

[Augustei]

LobselVith8 wrote...
How does that give our choice any meaning? If the same thing happens to
Corpheus regardless of who he possessed, doesn't that make the choice as
meaningless as it felt in Legacy?

It would have about the same level of meaning as picking a monarch for Orzammar or picking a monarch for ferelden.

LobselVith8 wrote...
The last thing Thedas needs is another insane mage.

Doesn't have to be insane, using the imperiums armies to eliminate the wardens - a major threat to his existance / freedom is logical. Hes no more insane then all the rest of the political factions and individuals in thedas trying to strengthen their position. Hecan just use his maleficarum to be more effective at it.

[Augustei]

jamesp81 wrote...

I don't see Corypheus going full bore against the Anderfels, not initially. He might eventually, but Tevinter is staring down the barrel of a loaded gun where the Qunari are concerned. Whatever else he was, or is, Corypheus was a magister lord of Tevinter. One doesn't become a magister lord of Tevinter by collecting stamps. He's smart enough to know that Qunari threat will have to be dealt with first. Given how he thinks, his definition of "deal with" is probably rather permanent. And gory.

probably use the same method the magisters used with Arlathan. Dragons, Maleficarum and Demonology. Maybe sink Par Vollon / Seheron to the bottom of the sea?

[jamesp81]

XxDeonxX wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I don't see Corypheus going full bore against the Anderfels, not initially. He might eventually, but Tevinter is staring down the barrel of a loaded gun where the Qunari are concerned. Whatever else he was, or is, Corypheus was a magister lord of Tevinter. One doesn't become a magister lord of Tevinter by collecting stamps. He's smart enough to know that Qunari threat will have to be dealt with first. Given how he thinks, his definition of "deal with" is probably rather permanent. And gory.

probably use the same method the magisters used with Arlathan. Dragons, Maleficarum and Demonology. Maybe sink Par Vollon / Seheron to the bottom of the sea?

Wouldn't surprise me, although that particular spell probably required a ****load of lyrium and blood.  They may not have the resources on hand to repeat it.  But even if they don't, an army of abominations might suffice quite well.

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

How does that give our choice any meaning? If the same thing happens to Corpheus regardless of who he possessed, doesn't that make the choice as meaningless as it felt in Legacy?

It would have about the same level of meaning as picking a monarch for Orzammar or picking a monarch for ferelden.

The casteless in Orzammar and the elves in the Alienage of Denerim would disagree.

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The last thing Thedas needs is another insane mage.

Doesn't have to be insane, using the imperiums armies to eliminate the wardens - a major threat to his existance / freedom is logical. Hes no more insane then all the rest of the political factions and individuals in thedas trying to strengthen their position. He can just use his maleficarum to be more effective at it.

The Imperium is fighting a war with the Qunari. Why would Tevinter allocate resources to fighting a two-front war? And I thought Corypheus was insane, given his dialogue.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:09 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

How does that give our choice any meaning? If the same thing happens to Corpheus regardless of who he possessed, doesn't that make the choice as meaningless as it felt in Legacy?

It would have about the same level of meaning as picking a monarch for Orzammar or picking a monarch for ferelden.

The casteless in Orzammar and the elves in the Alienage of Denerim would disagree.

Have you seen their improvement? No? Then you don't know wether or not your vaunted choice mattered at all. The epilogue slides are NOT set in stone.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 20 septembre 2011 - 09:15 .

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

How does that give our choice any meaning? If the same thing happens to Corpheus regardless of who he possessed, doesn't that make the choice as meaningless as it felt in Legacy?

It would have about the same level of meaning as picking a monarch for Orzammar or picking a monarch for ferelden.

The casteless in Orzammar and the elves in the Alienage of Denerim would disagree.

Have you seen their improvement? No? Then you don't know wether or not your vaunted choice mattered at all. The epilogue slides are NOT set in stone.

The Epilogue slides happened unless the writers specifically rectonned those decisions because they didn't plan ahead, i.e. Cullen and Anders. If King Alistair grants a seat to the elves of the Denerim Alienage and King Bhelen gives freedoms to the casteless, then there are consequences to the choices made by The Warden that I don't see with Hawke in Kirkwall.

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

How does that give our choice any meaning? If the same thing happens to Corpheus regardless of who he possessed, doesn't that make the choice as meaningless as it felt in Legacy?

It would have about the same level of meaning as picking a monarch for Orzammar or picking a monarch for ferelden.

The casteless in Orzammar and the elves in the Alienage of Denerim would disagree.

Have you seen their improvement? No? Then you don't know wether or not your vaunted choice mattered at all. The epilogue slides are NOT set in stone.

The Epilogue slides happened unless the writers specifically rectonned those decisions because they didn't plan ahead, i.e. Cullen and Anders. If King Alistair grants a seat to the elves of the Denerim Alienage and King Bhelen gives freedoms to the casteless, then there are consequences to the choices made by The Warden that I don't see with Hawke in Kirkwall.

Not neccesarily. The epilogue slides are all considered hearsay and rumors, unless specifically proven true. Until they are either proven or disproven, they are in a state of semi-canon. They MAY be true.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Not neccesarily. The epilogue slides are all considered hearsay and rumors, unless specifically proven true. Until they are either proven or disproven, they are in a state of semi-canon. They MAY be true.

Actually, we already know from Dragon Age 2 that Orzammar is closed off with King Harrowmont, and we hear as early as The Warden stepping into Dust Town how the lives of the casteless have an opportunity to improve with King Bhelen. As for the differences between Queen Anora and King Alistair with the Denerim Alienage, I don't see any reason to dismiss them. The writers may change this in the future, but it would be as much of a recton as the fate of Cullen changing dramatically from a madman to the new Knight-Commander of the Circle of Ferelden. It's retroactive continuity at work.

[EmperorSahlertz]

It isn't a retcon, since it didn't ever actually happen. The epilogues were never suppsoed to be an absolute truth, as the writers told us, but simply rumors. That Cullen become a strict Knight-Commander of Ferelden, isn't canon just because some epilogue slide states it.

Same thing goes for all the other slides. Until we actually SEE the results of our actions, or at least hear about them, we can only view all the slides as rumors. So as I said, they may be true, and they may not be true. We can't be sure.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

It isn't a retcon, since it didn't ever actually happen. The epilogues were never suppsoed to be an absolute truth, as the writers told us, but simply rumors. That Cullen become a strict Knight-Commander of Ferelden, isn't canon just because some epilogue slide states it.

It's a recton when Cullen's fate is dramatically changed from either ending, and it's no different than Anders and Justice meeting when their Epilogue slides can be dramatically different than what the sequel says transpired.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Same thing goes for all the other slides. Until we actually SEE the results of our actions, or at least hear about them, we can only view all the slides as rumors. So as I said, they may be true, and they may not be true. We can't be sure.

It's easy for the writers to say it's all suspect when they keep changing things, except we see they even change events that happened in the actual game - Anders meets Justice even if he's never recruited and Justice is killed at the Dragonbone Wastes, and Leliana comes back from the dead if The Warden kills her.