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[Augustei]

With the ending of DA2 suggesting a global war has broken out between templars and mages, and the templars are ignoring the chantry and its authority over them now. I began to think who would be leading the templars.. And who would be leading the mages?

I noticed recently on the Dragon Age Wiki on the page "Templar Order" there exists a rank of Knight-Vigilant above the rank of Knight-Commander. Not sure where the source of this may be or whether someone on the wiki made it up but it sounds pretty cool. Who would this person be and/or who do you think would be the ideal person to lead the whole Templar order and who to lead the mages out of all the characters we have encountered so far?

[Augustei]

I guess Anders would lead the mages if he survives, or justice takes over someone elses body and leads it? I thought about the possibility of Wynne leading it but it seems more likely that a member of the Libertarien fraternatie would more likely be the one leading a revolution or that new fraternatie in DA2 thats name escapes me at the moment.

So Justice for mages through either Anders or someone else we have most likely met, Or! What would be even more awesome: Flemeth - Flemeth or Justice for mages. Pref Flemeth imo =D

As for the Knight-Vigilant leading the Templars - Ser Bryant or Knight-Commander Tavish.. However Bryant seems more a reasonable person so Tavish would be better suited for the role

Thats just my opinion though

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Knight-Vigilant is a rank introduced with the new novel comming out. So he is probably the one leading the Templars. The mages will be lead by whichever mages rises up and ceases command. Possibly the mages won't even unite into one unified army, and the Templars will have to deal with many independant cells.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 08 août 2011 - 10:37 .

[HSHAW]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Knight-Vigilant is a rank introduced with the new novel comming out.

It was also referenced by one of the armour pieces in DA:O.

[Herr Uhl]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I guess Anders would lead the mages if he survives, or justice takes over someone elses body and leads it?

Considering that his original plan was "blow stuff up and die" I doubt he is leader material.

I thought about the possibility of Wynne leading it

I doubt she'd like to see the chantry burn.

but it seems more likely that a member of the Libertarien fraternatie would more likely be the one leading a revolution or that new fraternatie in DA2 thats name escapes me at the moment.

The fraternity isn't that recent, but it was resolutionists.

So Justice for mages through either Anders or someone else we have most likely met, Or! What would be even more awesome: Flemeth - Flemeth or Justice for mages. Pref Flemeth imo =D

I doubt she'd care.

As for the Knight-Vigilant leading the Templars - Ser Bryant or Knight-Commander Tavish.. However Bryant seems more a reasonable person so Tavish would be better suited for the role

There already is a knight vigilant in Val Royeaux.

I think a new guy will elad the mages and the knight vigilant will either be opposed and try to stop the templars or be the obvious leader.

[Augustei]

Hope Asunder does indeed adress this Knight-Vigilant, hope they are awesome

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I kind of doubt any characters we've seen already will be the leaders of the mage rebels or the Templar rebels.

[Out to Lunch]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Knight-Vigilant is a rank introduced with the new novel comming out. So he is probably the one leading the Templars. The mages will be lead by whichever mages rises up and ceases command. Possibly the mages won't even unite into one unified army, and the Templars will have to deal with many independant cells.

This is what I've been thinking. We don't know how the rebellion started, did they rebel simultaneously, or did the towers fall one by one. If it wasn't organized before it started then the mages will be focused on survival not building an army for war. They will flee to lands that offer safe havens. Places where templar armies will not be welcome. If the mage/templar war is a civil war then it'll last decades with small cells spread out over Thedas rather than an epic battle.This works for the overall storyline for dragon age. In every game it can play a part but not be the main plot, allowing the writers to explore other things going on in the world of Thedas. Otherwise, they will have to make another game that spans a large number of years to get the right build up and epic ending.

[Robhuzz]

I doubt we'll actually see a proper war between chantry and mages. Sure the divine will probably send out chantry armies to hunt down mages, led by knight commanders and captains. Mages however will probably be happy with their freedom and go into hiding/live normally (since Templars in DA2 don't seem to be able to detect mages unless they actually use a spell), only fighting the Chantry's soldiers when they get in the way. They don't really need a commander for this kind of strategy.

[jamesp81]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I guess Anders would lead the mages if he survives, or justice takes over someone elses body and leads it? I thought about the possibility of Wynne leading it but it seems more likely that a member of the Libertarien fraternatie would more likely be the one leading a revolution or that new fraternatie in DA2 thats name escapes me at the moment.

So Justice for mages through either Anders or someone else we have most likely met, Or! What would be even more awesome: Flemeth - Flemeth or Justice for mages. Pref Flemeth imo =D

As for the Knight-Vigilant leading the Templars - Ser Bryant or Knight-Commander Tavish.. However Bryant seems more a reasonable person so Tavish would be better suited for the role

Thats just my opinion though

I like Wynne, don't get me wrong.  However, she's just a little bit too comfortable with her chains to qualify as a wartime leader.

[CrimsonZephyr]

jamesp81 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

I guess Anders would lead the mages if he survives, or justice takes over someone elses body and leads it? I thought about the possibility of Wynne leading it but it seems more likely that a member of the Libertarien fraternatie would more likely be the one leading a revolution or that new fraternatie in DA2 thats name escapes me at the moment.

So Justice for mages through either Anders or someone else we have most likely met, Or! What would be even more awesome: Flemeth - Flemeth or Justice for mages. Pref Flemeth imo =D

As for the Knight-Vigilant leading the Templars - Ser Bryant or Knight-Commander Tavish.. However Bryant seems more a reasonable person so Tavish would be better suited for the role

Thats just my opinion though

I like Wynne, don't get me wrong.  However, she's just a little bit too comfortable with her chains to qualify as a wartime leader.

A lot of things can, and do change in ten years.

[Augustei]

jamesp81 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

I guess Anders would lead the mages if he survives, or justice takes over someone elses body and leads it? I thought about the possibility of Wynne leading it but it seems more likely that a member of the Libertarien fraternatie would more likely be the one leading a revolution or that new fraternatie in DA2 thats name escapes me at the moment.

So Justice for mages through either Anders or someone else we have most likely met, Or! What would be even more awesome: Flemeth - Flemeth or Justice for mages. Pref Flemeth imo =D

As for the Knight-Vigilant leading the Templars - Ser Bryant or Knight-Commander Tavish.. However Bryant seems more a reasonable person so Tavish would be better suited for the role

Thats just my opinion though

I like Wynne, don't get me wrong.  However, she's just a little bit too comfortable with her chains to qualify as a wartime leader.

Yeah true, maybe events in Asunder will change that though.. Or maybe she will go all out pro-templar.. How many if any mages will? In relation to Wynnes doing so if it were done might be if perhaps her son was actually the Knight-Vigilant.. What a twist that would be

[CrimsonZephyr]

Her son is being hunted for murder. I'm pretty sure the Knight-Vigilant could sweep something like that under the rug.

As for factions, I'd say Ferelden and Nevarra will both start chafing from Orlesian pressure and any mages who don't find Tevinter kosher enough for them will flee there. Otherwise, the Free Marches will become a hodge-podge of warring city states. The Anderfels, known to be a pious country, will probably start looking at the Grey Wardens badly for recruiting blood mages, and things will spiral out of control from there. I don't think the conflict will stay "mages versus templars" as much as "pro-Orlais versus anti-Orlais." Kind of like Thedas's version of the Thirty Years Year.

[Gervaise]

If what we are told in the epilogue is accurate, the reason they are looking for the Champion is that there is no central figurehead for either group.    As with the Templars in Kirkwall, there are going to be vast differences between individuals as to their approach towards mages and those of like mind will group together, whilst certain pious individuals will be undertaking individual mission to perform their "duty to the maker".   
Mages will be even less likely to have a central leader.  It will not be Anders, partly because the varation on whether he survived and partly because not all mages will appreciate being led by a possessed mage who will set on you if say you don't like the way he does things.   He will certainly not get on with blood mages so they definitely would not follow him.    Each Circle may have a ring leader who brought about their rebellion but once free of contraint, the individual mages won't necessarily continue to follow.   The stronger the character, the less likely they are to accept the rule of someone else.
Because there is unlikely to be a central authority to appeal to on either side, it will be far harder to control the various groups.   Some places, like Orlais will still back the Chantry to try and restore the status quo.  Others will take the opportunity to oust them from control, very likely with the backing of mage groups within their area. 
Essentially there will be many years of turmoil before things settle into a new order but the days of Thedas wide Chantry control are gone, as is the corresponding central control over Templars and mages.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I can see alot of mages fleeing to Ferelden. Which will give Ferelden real fire power against Orlais and with the Divinie being in Orlais. I can also see the Divine pushing Empress Celene to invade Ferelden.

If I'm a mage on the run from another country and I hear that Ferelden is offering me a place of refugee then I'm heading to Ferelden. Where I might have a chance at living a normal life.

I can also see the White Chantry being totally wiped out if a war does break out. I can also see Justice in another body leading the mage revolt as Vengence.

Will all of this happen? Who knows. Speculation is fun. I guess we'll know more when the new book arrives in December and hopefully with new dlc for DA2.

More than likely we'll see a new mage rise up to lead the mages in their war.  Same with the Templars who have broken away from the Chantry. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 09 août 2011 - 03:23 .

[Rifneno]

Wynne's either dead or... okay, she's just dead. She was a billion years old in DAO, ten years prior to DA2's ending. And she was only being kept alive by an ever-weakening spirit.

As for the Knight-Vigilant, I have the same question about him as I have about every templar. "How flammable are they?"

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Rifneno wrote...

Wynne's either dead or... okay, she's just dead. She was a billion years old in DAO, ten years prior to DA2's ending. And she was only being kept alive by an ever-weakening spirit.

As for the Knight-Vigilant, I have the same question about him as I have about every templar. "How flammable are they?"

Wynne is going to be a character in the new book Asunder coming out in December.  So she isn't dead yet, wlll she get killed in the new book?  Maybe.  The new book is about her son.

As for the Knight-Vigilant, I'll be interested in finding out more on this character. 

It could be Wynne's son who leads the mage war.  Especially if his real mother gets killed.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 09 août 2011 - 03:35 .