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[Terror_K]

Might as well actually make a topic about this... even if it results in people lambasting me for "attacking BioWare" or some such similar claim. Just found this article recently, looking at RPGs and where they're going, particularly Mass Effect, Dragon Age and The Elder Scrolls:-

gamerant.com/skyrim-dragon-age-2-mass-effect-3-rpgs-dying-dyce-68478/

Some interesting points in there, especially about Mass Effect 3. Also interesting is the voting at the end of the article. After voting myself the following seems to show that many RPG fans aren't happy with the way things are going either...

How do you feel about the recent trend in RPG games?

[*]I want details, depth and customization in my RPGs. (50%, 1,894 Votes)[*]The genre is becoming so "dumbed down" it's going to be ruined! (27%, 1,032 Votes)[*]I love that they're more accessible and easier to play! (12%, 440 Votes)[*]I'm not really sure. (5%, 174 Votes)[*]I prefer action over RPG elements. (4%, 171 Votes)[*]What's an RPG? (2%, 107 Votes)[/list]Total Voters: 3,819

That's as of my vote. That's a whopping 77% of voters who aren't happy with the direction RPGs are taking lately. Pay attention, BioWare.

Modifié par Terror_K, 08 août 2011 - 09:15 .

[Phaedon]

Gamerant? Really?

I mean sure, what I am posting is not exactly constructive, but all of my problems with that article are summed up and described by a single word: GAMERANT.

[Dr JewLove]

yea me2 was a let down for me compared to me1. oh well i dont exclusively play RPG's so meh. battlefield 3 anyone?

[Bogsnot1]

Terror_K wrote...
That's as of my vote. That's a minor 27% of voters who aren't happy with the direction RPGs are taking lately. Pay attention, BioWare.

Fixed.
Stop making up "facts", you're about as accurate as Fox News.

[Savber100]

Is it wrong if I want a RPG that has "details, depth, and customization" but is also "accessible" and not a slogfest where everything is determined by a dice roll?

I want a game that has the story complexity and choices/consequences of The Witcher 2 with meaningful, but not overly complex gameplay like Mass Effect 2.

Also this poll is just screaming with vagueness.

I mean who honestly doesn't want a game that is "detailed, full of depth, and has customization"

I would argue that even Halo and COD players would want that despite the prejudices we have against them. So twisting this poll to suit your view is pretty low of you, Terror_K. 

Modifié par Savber100, 08 août 2011 - 09:12 .

[Mister Mida]

Savber100 wrote...

Is it wrong if I want a RPG that has "details, depth, and customization" but is also "accessible" and not a slogfest where everything is determined by a dice roll?

I want a game that has the story complexity of The Witcher 2 with meaningful, but not overly complex gameplay of Mass Effect 2.

Also this poll is just screaming with vagueness.

I mean who honestly doesn't want a game that is "detailed, full of depth, and has customization"

I would argue that even Halo and COD players would want that despite the prejudices we have against them.

You honestly believe ME2's gameplay to be overly complex?

[CroGamer002]

Gamerant lives up to their name. Or at least a very specific part of it.

Arcian wrote...

Deal with it.

[meme image removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 08 août 2011 - 11:34 .

[marshalleck]

Those poll options are rich. Is it any surprise at all how the results are skewing?

You're pretty naive if you think any developer couldn't look at that and immediately see the obvious transparent bias, and then proceed to (justifiably) ignore it altogether.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 août 2011 - 09:09 .

[Dr JewLove]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...
That's as of my vote. That's a minor 27% of voters who aren't happy with the direction RPGs are taking lately. Pay attention, BioWare.

Fixed.
Stop making up "facts", you're about as accurate as Fox News.

hey fox news is fair and balanced.......

[Someone With Mass]

To expect the games to always stay the same is just silly.

[Savber100]

Mister Mida wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Is it wrong if I want a RPG that has "details, depth, and customization" but is also "accessible" and not a slogfest where everything is determined by a dice roll?

I want a game that has the story complexity of The Witcher 2 with meaningful, but not overly complex gameplay of Mass Effect 2.

Also this poll is just screaming with vagueness.

I mean who honestly doesn't want a game that is "detailed, full of depth, and has customization"

I would argue that even Halo and COD players would want that despite the prejudices we have against them.

You honestly believe ME2's gameplay to be overly complex?

Hm.. might have phrased that wrong. 

What I meant was that I prefer the simple gameplay of ME2 or even the hack-n-slash combat in The Witcher 2. To me, I play RPGs for the story, the characters, and the choices/consequences (story-wise). For example, if CDPR announces that they'll simplify the skill trees and achelmy in TW2 and I honestly would still love it. But hey.. maybe it's just me. 

Modifié par Savber100, 08 août 2011 - 09:12 .

[Jebel Krong]

stats from a vested poll from a biased article. really... and yo think that gives your arguments MORE weight?!

[Bogsnot1]

[off-topic post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 08 août 2011 - 11:35 .

[Terror_K]

Are you people honestly saying you feel that ME2 and DA2 had "details, depth and customization?"

[marshalleck]

Are you honestly saying you think it's noteworthy that the majority of people responded positively to the most positively phrased option on the poll?

You're doing yourself a disservice here because you're making it very easy to simply write off your position as obviously biased schlock

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 août 2011 - 09:19 .

[Phaedon]

Terror_K wrote...

Are you people honestly saying you feel that ME2 and DA2 had "details, depth and customization?"

Yes.

[SandTrout]

The developers will do what sells. If something doesn't pull a profit, then it was the wrong way to go with the game/genre.

Developers do not need polls, they have sales figures.

[Spanky Magoo]

I personally love what bioware is doing with the genre, putting story above the archaic rpg staples of the past.

[Terror_K]

SandTrout wrote...

The developers will do what sells. If something doesn't pull a profit, then it was the wrong way to go with the game/genre.

Developers do not need polls, they have sales figures.

And that's justification enough to flip off a good portion of your old fans? So long as you're making a profit, the people that got you where you are today don't matter, is that it?

[Someone With Mass]

As a company grows bigger, it needs to look at what sells more.

You may not like it, but that's the way it is.

[Terror_K]

Someone With Mass wrote...

As a company grows bigger, it needs to look at what sells more.

You may not like it, but that's the way it is.

It doesn't need to at all. That's a fallacy. There are always choices, and BioWare isn't going to go bankrupt if it decides to stick with its roots. Newsflash: those roots are what got it where it is today.

[marshalleck]

Terror_K wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

The developers will do what sells. If something doesn't pull a profit, then it was the wrong way to go with the game/genre.

Developers do not need polls, they have sales figures.

And that's justification enough to flip off a good portion of your old fans? So long as you're making a profit, the people that got you where you are today don't matter, is that it?

I think you might be overestimating the predominance of your opinion amongst Bioware's so-called "old fans."

I've been a fan of Bioware since Baldur's Gate, and I'm glad to see them modernizing even if they do make missteps along the way. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Of course, I suppose you could always play the "no true Scotsman" card and say people who don't agree with you aren't true Bioware/RPG fans.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 août 2011 - 09:32 .

[Bogsnot1]

Terror_K wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

The developers will do what sells. If something doesn't pull a profit, then it was the wrong way to go with the game/genre.

Developers do not need polls, they have sales figures.

And that's justification enough to flip off a good portion of your old fans? So long as you're making a profit, the people that got you where you are today don't matter, is that it?

You are welcome to go back to your dice, pencils, photocopied character sheets and rulebooks which get updated to a new version every 18 months because a new publisher feels they need to tweak it to justify getting people to buiy the same thing over and over again.
Or,  you can evolve like the genre is doing.