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[sponge56]

Vengeful Nature wrote...


Yes. It's a case of "didn't do the research." Greater human genetic diversity compared to the possible (likely) genetic diversity of other species is hokum.

No offense, but its incredibly close minded of you to make a judgement that hypothetic aliens would be more geneticaly diverse than humans.  If your suggesting that it needs to be plausable and that Bioware should have done some reserach then Bioware would have used no imagination whatsoever and had the trilogyin the ISS.. By your logic Bioware screwed up with their whole 'mass effect fields'- becasue thats just as much bull****ty science as genetic diversity 

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

darth_lopez wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

If, for example, Humans with 9 years of experience of advanced technology can out fight the Turians....

You realize the whole point of that was that we got lucky. They underestimated our military capacity.  Liberating Shanxi really was not due to our innate awesomeness.  The turians weren't gonna get caught out like that again and would have curbstomped us with ease if the Council hadn't stepped in.

Yet we still become the dominant military power no matter the outcome of ME 1. And the only species to successfully kill a reaper with our fleet. We still Defeated an Enemy that shouldn't have been defeated. There are 2 ways to look at the entire scenario "Oh we Got Lucky" demeaning the entire achievement for humanity. Or you realize through the games we were tactically, and Strategically superior to the Turians. You can even see the evidence in this from the Battle of Shanxi. Our naval strategy of holding a fleet with in jump distance of multiple colonies and leaving a small garrison on each world to "probe the enemy" if you will rather than defend out right worked. Furthermore the Codex's state we are a "Sleeping Giant" We have one of the smallest yet one of the strongest militaries in the universe but we have the capacity to field an even larger stronger one. The galaxy fears our military potential in ME 1 and comes to fear our Might in ME 2.

At the battle of the Citadel the Turian and Asari fleets took the initial bombardment and the Turians lost 20 cruisers, Humanity lost 6, if it had been the other way around the figures would have been reversed. Sovereign was also severely hamstrung in that it had no room for maneuver as it was focussing through Saren in order to kill you and open the Citadel Relay. Given a more open playing field I doubt we'd have won that battle.

Also whilst fear is a strong motivator and can initially rally people, it also breeds hatred and anger - be careful what you sow.

[Arken]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Escapulario100 wrote...

All species have something expecial. Example: Salarians are smart, Quarians are tech expert, Volus are great merchants, Turians have a great sence of public sence. So, what do we humans have? Will power

Actually, this is a fantasy trope right from dungeons and dragons. All the races have specialized qualities except humans, whose quality is adaptability. 

So dwarfs might make the best warriors and elves the best wizards but humans can be both, although not *quite* as good.

Humans being chosen by the Reapers for their variability is probably a continuation of the same trope. 

A major trope indeed. Humans are the only species capable of uniquness. Everyone else has to stick to their own speciallity. It's just annoying as when species like the salarians all follow the same belief. As did the drell until the hanar adopted their race. So do the asari.

So humans are capable of coming up with multiple answers for how we got here yet alien races are only allowed one religion per species. That's as fake as it gets. The chances of an entire species agreeing on something like that is highly unlikely and the fact that even the drell, who were not as advanced as other races yet, managed to agree on one single multi-diety system until the hanar came, and the drell followed the same type of worship as the hanar.

An entire group of people can not be so easily defined as, "Quarians are experts with technology." I would prefer, "The quarian race has the greatest technicall developers in the galaxy." This implies that a large number of their species of good with tech, but not every freaking quarian is born with a wrench in their hand. Currently it feels like quarians are born with wrenches lynched to their hands.

The fact that only humans are capable of cultural diversity within our own race is a massive element of "humans are special."

[sponge56]

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

What was it someone once said? ' Individuals are smart, People are stupid', well thats Humanity in a nutshell - and for verification on that I only have to turn on the TV.

At our present rate we'll never amount to a hill of beans  - paraphrasing Humphrey Bogart as 'Rick'

How utterly pessimistic. I find the whole anti-human notion people on this thread have very distrubing.  Look at what mankind has achieved in one hundred years, who knows what we can achieve in a hundred more.  And as you look for the verification of our stupidity by turning on the tv, perhaps you should wonder at the brilliant minds and scientific progression which enabled that tv to be there, when seventy years ago the idea that you could watch a television in your own home, let alone on a small hand held device was completely unthinkable.

Modifié par sponge56, 08 août 2011 - 07:37 .

[darth_lopez]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Why the hell not? Humans are more geneticaly diverse than everyone else, and so thats bad writing is it?

Yes. It's a case of "didn't do the research." Greater human genetic diversity compared to the possible (likely) genetic diversity of other species is hokum.

I'd also like to point out that 90% of the universe already attempts to feign real science while failing. I don't see how it's bad that this aspect does too.

[Whatever42]

Someone With Mass wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

This. This entirely.

Also, the fact that we are on par with the other races in about 40 years?

They should have made it a century at least between first contact and ME1's story. It was too soon for my tastes.

They really want us to believe that the alien races reached a certain technological point and then it all just stopped moving forward for thousands of years. 

Because I find humanity being on par with alien technology in less than half a century to be just as ridiculous.

China technologically stagnated for a 1000 years so why not? And if you want to see how fast a society can catch up, look at China 40 years ago and compare it today.

The races were handed very advanced technology, far in advance of their own, developed by an ancient galactic civilization. To put in strategy game terms, perhaps a lot of these technologies are near the end of tree. Ever play Gal Civ? If you steal a technology near the end of the tree, you don't automatically get to advance from there. You have to catch up. And often, you don't have the resources or technology to get there fast. And that makes sense. I could give a pre-agarian ****** sapien a revolver but I doubt he would be doing any innovating on it for a while.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

sponge56 wrote...

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

What was it someone once said? ' Individuals are smart, People are stupid', well thats Humanity in a nutshell - and for verification on that I only have to turn on the TV.

At our present rate we'll never amount to a hill of beans  - paraphrasing Humphrey Bogart as 'Rick'

How utterly pessimistic. I find the whole anti-human notion people on this thread have very distrubing.  Look at what mankind has achieved in one hundred years, who knows what we can achieve in a hundred more.  And as you look for the verification of our stupidity by turning on the tv, perhaps you should wonder at the brilliant minds and scientific progression which enabled that tv to be there, when seventy years ago the idea that you could watch a television in your own home, let alone on a small hand held device was completely unthinkable.

Yet countries are being invaded at will? With nobody really caring. Countries leaders are called terrorists allowing us to invade them, and bomb them at will. Billions of dollars are spent daily seling weapons world wide. If we spent 1/10th of the money we use to kill people to help them it'd be a night & day change from now.

Yes there are good advances in technology, but the general Human attitude of mindless destruction, greed, control of others - basically an extension of slavery, is still with us.

In 100years, unless we come up with cheap fusion power or some other cheap alternative to Oil, we'll have the countries with the strongest militaries controlling the remains of the natural resources.

Maybe I sound pessimistic, though in reality i'm not, it's just that i'm realistic.

[darth_lopez]

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

If, for example, Humans with 9 years of experience of advanced technology can out fight the Turians....

You realize the whole point of that was that we got lucky. They underestimated our military capacity.  Liberating Shanxi really was not due to our innate awesomeness.  The turians weren't gonna get caught out like that again and would have curbstomped us with ease if the Council hadn't stepped in.

Yet we still become the dominant military power no matter the outcome of ME 1. And the only species to successfully kill a reaper with our fleet. We still Defeated an Enemy that shouldn't have been defeated. There are 2 ways to look at the entire scenario "Oh we Got Lucky" demeaning the entire achievement for humanity. Or you realize through the games we were tactically, and Strategically superior to the Turians. You can even see the evidence in this from the Battle of Shanxi. Our naval strategy of holding a fleet with in jump distance of multiple colonies and leaving a small garrison on each world to "probe the enemy" if you will rather than defend out right worked. Furthermore the Codex's state we are a "Sleeping Giant" We have one of the smallest yet one of the strongest militaries in the universe but we have the capacity to field an even larger stronger one. The galaxy fears our military potential in ME 1 and comes to fear our Might in ME 2.

At the battle of the Citadel the Turian and Asari fleets took the initial bombardment and the Turians lost 20 cruisers, Humanity lost 6, if it had been the other way around the figures would have been reversed. Sovereign was also severely hamstrung in that it had no room for maneuver as it was focussing through Saren in order to kill you and open the Citadel Relay. Given a more open playing field I doubt we'd have won that battle.

Also whilst fear is a strong motivator and can initially rally people, it also breeds hatred and anger - be careful what you sow.

Star Wars Refrence aside.

Humanity would've still re-geared in no time "sleeping giant" i'm more than willing to bet we would've been able to replace those ships faster than it took to initially build them. We did after all Co-Op the normandy and build the SR-2 (still the most advanced ship in the universe) Independently.  We also have the cash and production time to waste on making carriers Useful. But i will re-iterate again even if we save the council we still become the dominant military(i'm sure we take more casualities doing this if we don't prime example of humans are special with our military prowess here). in any case it is still entirely elements of our military that do the deed

[Whatever42]

Arken wrote...
A major trope indeed. Humans are the only species capable of uniquness. Everyone else has to stick to their own speciallity. It's just annoying as when species like the salarians all follow the same belief. As did the drell until the hanar adopted their race. So do the asari.

So humans are capable of coming up with multiple answers for how we got here yet alien races are only allowed one religion per species. That's as fake as it gets. The chances of an entire species agreeing on something like that is highly unlikely and the fact that even the drell, who were not as advanced as other races yet, managed to agree on one single multi-diety system until the hanar came, and the drell followed the same type of worship as the hanar.

An entire group of people can not be so easily defined as, "Quarians are experts with technology." I would prefer, "The quarian race has the greatest technicall developers in the galaxy." This implies that a large number of their species of good with tech, but not every freaking quarian is born with a wrench in their hand. Currently it feels like quarians are born with wrenches lynched to their hands.

The fact that only humans are capable of cultural diversity within our own race is a massive element of "humans are special."

Well, all the races are basically humans painted a different color. If you really wanted to write alien species, they would require a psychology very different than our own. Their motivations should be almost indesipherable to us. Even if we learned the same language, we would have constant miscommunication.

Heck, just compare western europe to asia 400 years ago. A person from each society was completely alien to one another.

There is a little of this in the game - the races do have some unique pyschology based on some physiological characteristics, such as the short Salarian lifespan or long krogan lifespan/high birthrate, but they are all still very human.

But then again, this is a Star Wars like universe. Its space opera. There is sound in space. Making aliens "realistic" would make a very, very different game.  

[Rekkampum]

Pulletlamer wrote...

^ Whatever dude, you're missing the point of what I was trying to say.

I don't want to fight. Looks to me like you had a bad day. Not my fault.

A deflection is not a successful rebuttal. I'm sorry that my choice to disagree with your opinion is a reflection of me "having a bad day".

[Someone With Mass]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

China technologically stagnated for a 1000 years so why not? And if you want to see how fast a society can catch up, look at China 40 years ago and compare it today.

The races were handed very advanced technology, far in advance of their own, developed by an ancient galactic civilization. To put in strategy game terms, perhaps a lot of these technologies are near the end of tree. Ever play Gal Civ? If you steal a technology near the end of the tree, you don't automatically get to advance from there. You have to catch up. And often, you don't have the resources or technology to get there fast. And that makes sense. I could give a pre-agarian ****** sapien a revolver but I doubt he would be doing any innovating on it for a while.

Sure, but I think that technology that involves dark energy, FTL drives and rail guns that are using a newly discovered element to propel the slugs is on a completely different and higher level.

It's like if humanity ran into the Prothean ruins and then suddenly mastered and surpassed all the Prothean technology there is.

Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but that's just...whacked.

[sponge56]

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...


Yet countries are being invaded at will? With nobody really caring. Countries leaders are called terrorists allowing us to invade them, and bomb them at will. Billions of dollars are spent daily seling weapons world wide. If we spent 1/10th of the money we use to kill people to help them it'd be a night & day change from now.

Yes there are good advances in technology, but the general Human attitude of mindless destruction, greed, control of others - basically an extension of slavery, is still with us.

In 100years, unless we come up with cheap fusion power or some other cheap alternative to Oil, we'll have the countries with the strongest militaries controlling the remains of the natural resources.

Maybe I sound pessimistic, though in reality i'm not, it's just that i'm realistic.

Good job ignoring the UN, charities, major gains in medicine and healthcare, longer lifespans etc.  Sure, the world isn't picture perfect and never will be but progression is happening and moral advancement is also occuring.  Billions of dollars ARE spent on weapons, but Billions of dollars are also spent worldwide on aid and dvelopment-aimed at improving peoples lives.  I know that this isnt really on topic and that im not going to change your mind- but a little bit of optimism never goes amiss, probaly make you live longer as well

[Wulfram]

Arken wrote...
]A major trope indeed. Humans are the only species capable of uniquness. Everyone else has to stick to their own speciallity. It's just annoying as when species like the salarians all follow the same belief. As did the drell until the hanar adopted their race. So do the asari.

Not entirely true actually.  From the codex

Before the rise of siari pantheism, asari religions were as diverse as their political opinions. The strongest survivor of those days is the monotheistic religion worshiping the goddess Athame. Like the asari, the goddess cycles through the triple aspects of maiden, matron, and matriarch.


And the Turians

Turians enjoy absolute freedom of religion and can practice whatever appeals to them so long as it does not impede anyone's ability to perform their duties. There are many practitioners of the asari "siarist" philosophy. Since opening dialog with the human Systems Alliance, some turians have embraced Confucianism and Zen Buddhism.

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[GreenDragon37]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

DonDaMon wrote...

Humans are special = lazy writing ...

This. This entirely.

Also, the fact that we are on par with the other races in about 40 years?

They should have made it a century at least between first contact and ME1's story. It was too soon for my tastes.

In 40 years we went from bi-planes to fighter jets. We went from horses and dirt roads to super highways. When a technologically advanced race finds a trove of prothean technology, you don't think its possible we could do a tremendous leap forward?

And the other races are noted for being stagnant, on resting on prothean technology and the relay system. We have many parallels to this in our own history. 

Just because its not to your taste or you would have designed the galaxy different doesn't mean its lazy. It means that Bioware writers just have more imagination.

Which reinforces the "Humans are special" trope. Were the Humans the only ones with that prothean cache? How are we able to sieze control of the Citadel when we have one of the lowest populations in the galaxy, and the other races hardly do a damn thing about it? How do you know the Turians or Turians didn't develop fast on their worlds, too?

The point is, Humans going from "alone in the universe" to "the greatest force in the galaxy" in about 40 years is rediculous. If it would have made sense if it were a hundred years after first contact, but 40? We are able to match the races who have been around for millenia?

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't like Mass Effect. However, it does mean that I see its flaws, not just "fanboy it up".

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 08 août 2011 - 07:55 .

[Rekkampum]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

DonDaMon wrote...

Humans are special = lazy writing ...

This. This entirely.

Also, the fact that we are on par with the other races in about 40 years?

They should have made it a century at least between first contact and ME1's story. It was too soon for my tastes.

In 40 years we went from bi-planes to fighter jets. We went from horses and dirt roads to super highways. When a technologically advanced race finds a trove of prothean technology, you don't think its possible we could do a tremendous leap forward?

And the other races are noted for being stagnant, on resting on prothean technology and the relay system. We have many parallels to this in our own history. 

Just because its not to your taste or you would have designed the galaxy different doesn't mean its lazy. It means that Bioware writers just have more imagination.

Which reinforces the "Humans are special" trope. Were the Humans the only ones with that prothean cache? How are we able to sieze control of the Citadel when we have one of the lowest populations in the galaxy, and the other races hardly do a damn thing about it? How do you know the Turians or Turians didn't develop fast on their worlds, too?

The point is, Humans going from "alone in the universe" to "the greatest force in the galaxy" in about 40 years is rediculous. If it would have made sense if it were a hundred years after first contact, but 40? We are able to match the races who have been around for millenia?


Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't like Mass Effect. However, it does mean that I see its flaws, not just "fanboy it up".

Uh oh he pulled the "fanboy" card!

[GreenDragon37]

Rekkampum wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

DonDaMon wrote...

Humans are special = lazy writing ...

This. This entirely.

Also, the fact that we are on par with the other races in about 40 years?

They should have made it a century at least between first contact and ME1's story. It was too soon for my tastes.

In 40 years we went from bi-planes to fighter jets. We went from horses and dirt roads to super highways. When a technologically advanced race finds a trove of prothean technology, you don't think its possible we could do a tremendous leap forward?

And the other races are noted for being stagnant, on resting on prothean technology and the relay system. We have many parallels to this in our own history. 

Just because its not to your taste or you would have designed the galaxy different doesn't mean its lazy. It means that Bioware writers just have more imagination.

Which reinforces the "Humans are special" trope. Were the Humans the only ones with that prothean cache? How are we able to sieze control of the Citadel when we have one of the lowest populations in the galaxy, and the other races hardly do a damn thing about it? How do you know the Turians or Turians didn't develop fast on their worlds, too?

The point is, Humans going from "alone in the universe" to "the greatest force in the galaxy" in about 40 years is rediculous. If it would have made sense if it were a hundred years after first contact, but 40? We are able to match the races who have been around for millenia?


Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't like Mass Effect. However, it does mean that I see its flaws, not just "fanboy it up".

Uh oh he pulled the "fanboy" card!

Uh oh, he didn't address the points!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 08 août 2011 - 07:57 .

[Whatever42]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

China technologically stagnated for a 1000 years so why not? And if you want to see how fast a society can catch up, look at China 40 years ago and compare it today.

The races were handed very advanced technology, far in advance of their own, developed by an ancient galactic civilization. To put in strategy game terms, perhaps a lot of these technologies are near the end of tree. Ever play Gal Civ? If you steal a technology near the end of the tree, you don't automatically get to advance from there. You have to catch up. And often, you don't have the resources or technology to get there fast. And that makes sense. I could give a pre-agarian ****** sapien a revolver but I doubt he would be doing any innovating on it for a while.

Sure, but I think that technology that involves dark energy, FTL drives and rail guns that are using a newly discovered element to propel the slugs is on a completely different and higher level.

It's like if humanity ran into the Prothean ruins and then suddenly mastered and surpassed all the Prothean technology there is.

Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but that's just...whacked.

Humans haven't surpassed Prothean technology. We haven't even surpassed the Asari or Turian adaptions of that technology. Humans have nothing like the Destiny Ascension, for example. We simply used it to become minimally effective and then had military tactics that took the Turians by surprise.

That the Turians have militarily stagnated, given their massive firepower superiority and the relative peace of the galaxy over the last 1000 years, is completely understandable.

But remember that the more advanced you are, the faster you can innovate. Sure. If I gave humanity the blueprints for a laser gun 50 years ago (when we had lasers) and today, I guarantee we would be churning out lasers much faster today because of advanced supply chains and robotics. 

In the future, before the prothean cache, we undoubtedly had advanced VI and robotics. If the necessary knowledge was in the cache to build this technology (and it would have had to been for any of this to work) then we could have sprung forward incredibly fast. As I said, look at what China has done.

[darth_lopez]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...


Uh oh he pulled the "fanboy" card!

Uh oh, he didn't address the points!

Stop the train here please. Attempt at Civilized convo here take the childplay to the inbox or drop the subject.

[Jessihatt]

Just read the whole thread - s'been interesting, seeing both sides.
But it just wouldn't make any sense, or probably be as successful if - as someone said - someone had to make Shepard sympathetic towards other races who were being targeted in ME1/ME2. Some people roleplay their Shep as a xenophobe.
In ME3, it isn't just Earth being obliterated, so we're not special in that sense I s'pose.
I just wanna know why there are no other species on cold/windy/dusty planets with no hair  That's what truly makes Humans special.

[Whatever42]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Which reinforces the "Humans are special" trope. Were the Humans the only ones with that prothean cache? How are we able to sieze control of the Citadel when we have one of the lowest populations in the galaxy, and the other races hardly do a damn thing about it? How do you know the Turians or Turians didn't develop fast on their worlds, too?

The point is, Humans going from "alone in the universe" to "the greatest force in the galaxy" in about 40 years is rediculous. If it would have made sense if it were a hundred years after first contact, but 40? We are able to match the races who have been around for millenia?

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't like Mass Effect. However, it does mean that I see its flaws, not just "fanboy it up".

Flaws? ME is space opera. It has magic and sound in space. I simply recognize it for what it is.

But humanity was far, far, far from the greatest force in the galaxy until the Reapers beat up the Asari and Turians. Until then, we had "potential" and treated a little suspiciously. The Turians could have annialated us anytime they wanted. We stood zero chance. 

BTW, in the Star Wars universe, technology has also barely advanced in thousands of years. 

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 08 août 2011 - 08:04 .

[GreenDragon37]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Which reinforces the "Humans are special" trope. Were the Humans the only ones with that prothean cache? How are we able to sieze control of the Citadel when we have one of the lowest populations in the galaxy, and the other races hardly do a damn thing about it? How do you know the Turians or Turians didn't develop fast on their worlds, too?

The point is, Humans going from "alone in the universe" to "the greatest force in the galaxy" in about 40 years is rediculous. If it would have made sense if it were a hundred years after first contact, but 40? We are able to match the races who have been around for millenia?

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't like Mass Effect. However, it does mean that I see its flaws, not just "fanboy it up".

Flaws? ME is space opera. It has magic and sound in space. I simply recognize it for what it is.

But humanity was far, far, far from the greatest force in the galaxy until the Reapers beat up the Asari and Turians. Until then, we had "potential" and treated a little suspiciously. The Turians could have annialated us anytime they wanted. We stood zero chance. 

BTW, in the Star Wars universe, technology has also barely advanced in thousands of years. 

And yet we climbed on top of everyone in 40 years?

We had to power to sieze control of the Citadel and no-one tried to stop it?

Also, in Star Wars didn't every race start developing at the same time?

[Sisterofshane]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Honestly, ME doesn't portray Humanity as all that 'special'. We are unique in our diversity, both biologically and culturally, but all of the other species are pretty unique as well. The Asari are a race of jedi space-elves, the Turians are a highly disciplined military dictatorship, the Salarians are sneaky, quick-thinking, interstellar lizards, the Krogan are biological tanks, the Elcor are slow-tempered inhabitants of a high-gravity world, and the Volus are dormant Biotic Gods. In this menagerie, humans are not that special.

The only thing that is Special about humanity is that we happen to be the ones that BioWare is marketing to, and therefor the story will be a human-centric one.

Let me correct that for you: ME1 doesn't portray Humanity as all that special. Following the change of lead writers, ME2 and... other non-canon media, have portrayed Humanity as the only important race. Let's hope ME3 changes things back.

In ME1, all the races were complaining that humanity was be given special status. It's all about humans joining the spectres. At the end of the game, they even take over the council. ME1 most certainly does portray humanity as a special snowflake.

In ME2, humans are actually less the centre of things. We travel to many non-human worlds where humans are nothing special. The only thing special about humanity is that the Reapers have chosen humanity as their victim because of some genetic diversity. This is likely because humanity is the youngest race. However, humanity is not really shining in ME2 as it is in ME1.

Wow, I missed a hot topic last night!  Darn my need for sleep!

It doesn't surprise me that humans are given special attention by the devs.  The reason the story is human centric is because the main protaganist is human, and the target audience is human.  Humanity in and of itself is no more or less "special" (such a subjective term - blah!) then any other species in the galaxy.  Do we have more luck (or unluck as we have managed to capture the attention of a race of a space-faring, hyper-advanced machines that want to liquefy us), maybe.

As for the whole "bio-diversity" thing, it was mentioned that humans ARE bio-diverse, but not that they are more or less diverse then certain other species (asari, salarians).  Just that they "are".

So, if you're tired of human stories, then the solution is simple.  The next time you look at a game, and the main character is a human, put it back down.  Humanity is very likely to play a very pivotal role in that game.  And if enough people do that and the developers start losing money, then they will create more games with less human focus.  Sales are a huge motivator to game developers.

[GreenDragon37]

darth_lopez wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...


Uh oh he pulled the "fanboy" card!

Uh oh, he didn't address the points!

Stop the train here please. Attempt at Civilized convo here take the childplay to the inbox or drop the subject.

By "fanboy" I'm addressing the people who say "if you don't like it, don't play it" cop out.

[darth_lopez]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Which reinforces the "Humans are special" trope. Were the Humans the only ones with that prothean cache? How are we able to sieze control of the Citadel when we have one of the lowest populations in the galaxy, and the other races hardly do a damn thing about it? How do you know the Turians or Turians didn't develop fast on their worlds, too?

The point is, Humans going from "alone in the universe" to "the greatest force in the galaxy" in about 40 years is rediculous. If it would have made sense if it were a hundred years after first contact, but 40? We are able to match the races who have been around for millenia?

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't like Mass Effect. However, it does mean that I see its flaws, not just "fanboy it up".

Flaws? ME is space opera. It has magic and sound in space. I simply recognize it for what it is.

But humanity was far, far, far from the greatest force in the galaxy until the Reapers beat up the Asari and Turians. Until then, we had "potential" and treated a little suspiciously. The Turians could have annialated us anytime they wanted. We stood zero chance. 

BTW, in the Star Wars universe, technology has also barely advanced in thousands of years. 

4-5 thousand years to be precise >.> The biggest technical achievement up till the Imperial Era was Portable Lightsabers with no Energy pack. Kotor occurs in what would've been around their first thousand or so years of use. The death Star is the next major technical advance, followed by artificial force users created, as you might recall, by the Remnent of the Empire during Jedi Knight II <.< aside from that from what i understand there has been a lot of omg an ancient tech device with super powers! O.O going on in the universe as well. (ala halo and ME) 

[Rekkampum]

darth_lopez wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...


Uh oh he pulled the "fanboy" card!

Uh oh, he didn't address the points!

Stop the train here please. Attempt at Civilized convo here take the childplay to the inbox or drop the subject.

Childplay? All I did was observe that he used a word that could be considered pejorative. Can I not be rather surprised by this, hence my comment? 

FYI- Spartans had "civilized" conversations by yelling louder than the person they were arguing with, so that is kind of relative.

Modifié par Rekkampum, 08 août 2011 - 08:12 .