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[Illydoor]

Not sure it it's in the right category, but:

Does anyone know what Malcolm's little phrase is at the end of completing his sidequest? Goes something like 'blah blah blah that which is best in you, not that which is most base.'

Also, how do you think he died? I don't believe it mentions it in the game codexes or otherwise.

And thirdly, how old is this guy? He knew Larius, Tobrius, he more than knew Leandra, and based on appearance alone, would you thus say he's in the same age range as Meredith? as Viscount Dumar?

[Eudaemonium]

can't remember the line, but as for age - I'd assume he'd be a bit older than Leandra. Hawke is roughly 24-25, and I assume Malcolm was about the same age when Hawke was born (with Leandra being slightly younger, probably 18-20 - seeing she was intended to marry the Comte and instead eloped with Malcolm, I doubt she'd have been much older than that). Since he died 3 years before the start of the story, that would have made him in his late forties, give or take a few years.

[whykikyouwhy]

I think this topic might be best in the Official Campaign Quests and Story forum, since some spoilers may crop up.

The quote is "my magic will serve that which is best in me, not that which is most base."

I don't think there has been mention of how he died.

[mesmerizedish]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I don't think there has been mention of how he died.

Not in Legacy, though information already available states that he died of illness several years before the Blight.

[whykikyouwhy]

I had a hazy memory of that but the wiki did not substantiate so I figured it was a false recollection.

Illness is nice and vague. Amped up Blight sickness perhaps? Poisoning from the Carta or Wardens or some other faction? I wonder if there was foul play.

[TEWR]

My magic will serve that which is best in me, not that which is most base --- Malcolm Hawke


I take that to confirm my idea that the Chantry's line Magic is meant to serve man, never to rule over him is wrong. That magic should serve to help the people of the world. That a mage shouldn't think that because he is a mage, he has the right to rule over the world. And other things along those lines.

Anyway, Larius appears to be in the 40-50 range, so Malcolm was most likely in his mid to late 20s when he helped the Wardens.

[Illydoor]

Unknown illness does leave a lot of scope for future shenanigans definitely. I just hope BioWare doesn't ruin the image of him I have now, a sort of rugged mercenary turned captive turned heroic fugitive, willing, but reluctant, to do anything for his and Leandra's freedom.

Malcolm was clearly in Kirkwall at some point or other during his life. Who do you reckon he would have known that was present in DA2's time-frame?

@The Ethereal Writer Redux: I'm not sure what you mean by that, are you arguing against the chantry's view and saying that mages should rule?

[Huntress]

Leandra was pregnat when malcome was doing the "job". Bethany and carver point that out.

And I think he said more or less: blah blah "I hope the child do not carry magic because is a curse blah blah blah."

[Knal1991]

pretty sure I heard Blight illness somewhere in the game...

Though I like that quote, don't really get what it means (maybe thats why I like it )

[whykikyouwhy]

@Knal1991 - I take it to mean that the power/abilities inherent to magic are to be used to serve the positive aspects of a person - compassion, empathy, etc. That which is base would be greed, pride, and so forth. I think Malcolm sought to use his gift/curse to assist others rather than to propel himself upward in his station in life.

But disregard the above if it makes you like the quote less.

[Knal1991]

I was mostly ''base'' what I didn't understood... thanks for explaining though

[stephen_dedalus]

@Knal1991: Within the context of the quest "Malcolm's Will," which is when Malcolm recites the line in question, "that which is most base" may refer to those qualities of the human personality represented by the demons / abominations that Malcolm had imprisoned years before: rage, desire, pride. This allows the quest to fulfill both a narrative function and an allegorical function: it reveals that Malcolm has imprisoned external demons (and hence revealed himself to be a mage of significant prowess), but it also suggests allegorically that he has overcome his own internal rage, desire, and pride (and hence maintained his virtue).  Malcolm would therefore be one of the rare mages in the DAII story who (as far as we know) conquers his inner weaknesses so fully that he never succumbs to demonic temptation.

Modifié par stephen_dedalus, 09 août 2011 - 01:19 .

[Sepewrath]

Illydoor wrote...

Unknown illness does leave a lot of scope for future shenanigans definitely. I just hope BioWare doesn't ruin the image of him I have now, a sort of rugged mercenary turned captive turned heroic fugitive, willing, but reluctant, to do anything for his and Leandra's freedom.

Malcolm was clearly in Kirkwall at some point or other during his life. Who do you reckon he would have known that was present in DA2's time-frame?

lol you cant just make up an image and say you hope they don't ruin him. I don't think he would have known too many people being an apostate and all that. And if he knew anyone of any substance, it probably would have come up, especially after Hawke becomes Champion.

[TEWR]

No I'm not saying mages should rule (that would spiral into Imperium 2.0 eventually). I'm saying that they should be free, that they should use their magic to help the world by being doctors (Blood Mages and Spirit Healers especially). Just be free (relatively. Templars are needed) to live their lives as they choose.

[EmperorSahlertz]

A blood mage politician... Yeah... That is a brilliant idea...

[dragonflight288]

No less brilliant than an overanxious noble woman determined to keep her mage son from having his magic discovered.

[EmperorSahlertz]

How exactly is a stupid woman, only concerned with her own reputation, going to manipulate an entire country's political direction, without the country's other politicians ever realizing something was amiss?

[dragonflight288]

Hmmm....maybe the same way said nameless woman somehow kept her son from being discovered as a mage before hiring an unknown apostate to tutor son. And if said son suddenly became an abomination powerful enough to ravage an entire town. It could be weeks before anyone wonders why there is no contact from the town. Plenty of time to kill everyone and move to other villages.

Then those politicians have no one to represent. Makes the political game kind of moot.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Are you suggesting that the abomination created, could destroy the entire nation?

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A blood mage politician... Yeah... That is a brilliant idea...

show me where the hell I said there should be blood mage politicians. Go on, show me where I said that.




@Filament: I believe it was something more about how "If magic is such a curse, why does the Maker continue to allow mages to exist?"

[dragonflight288]

Are you suggesting that the abomination created, could destroy the entire nation?

Possibly. I mean a *cough, hack, cough* single stupid mother trying to protect her son, even when it is obvious he's an abomination may have just enough political power to prevent a thorough investigation.

We need templars who don't answer to the noble's authority for cases such as Isolde and Connor, but we can't have them leashed to the whims of the Chantry either. The only reason the situation in Redcliff didn't get so far out of hand as I described hypothetically was because it happened at a time where two desperate Grey Wardens needed all the help they could get and went to ask for help.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A blood mage politician... Yeah... That is a brilliant idea...

show me where the hell I said there should be blood mage politicians. Go on, show me where I said that.

SO you don't think mages should be allwoed to be whatever they want and live a free life?

[TEWR]

Did you miss the part where I said in the beginning "No I don't think mages should rule" or where I put in parentheses "relatively", which included but wasn't limited to just Templars?

I mean, you seem to ignore the blatantly obvious things

edit: not to mention I've made my idea for how mages should live clear on at least 5 different threads that you've also been a part of.

No I'm not saying mages should rule (that would spiral into Imperium 2.0 eventually). I'm saying that they should be free, that they should use their magic to help the world by being doctors (Blood Mages and Spirit Healers especially). Just be free (relatively. Templars are needed) to live their lives as they choose.

There it is for you to read over again.


And yes, I'm not in the best of moods right now, but some music will calm me down. Give or take 30 minutes.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 août 2011 - 03:58 .

[dragonflight288]

SO you don't think mages should be allwoed to be whatever they want and live a free life?

Etheral has long said that mages should be free of the circles and allowed to live their lives. But they still need the templars, still need to check in. And if Andrastian, they could easily do that at the Chantry during mass.

Never once did he say allow mages to be in positions where they rule others.