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[EmperorSahlertz]

So the mages should NOT be free?

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A blood mage politician... Yeah... That is a brilliant idea...

You mean like The Warden who becomes the new Arl of Amaranthine, who can use his blood magic to save countless people from the darkspawn in the same way that other Grey Warden mages have used blood magic?

[dragonflight288]

Just because mages are free doesn't mean they're lords and nobles (except Tevinter). Even if the Chantry disbands, the nobles won't accept more political competition. This is a feudal age where people usually cannot find any possible way to advance in social class. Hawke, the Warden, they have plot armor and are the exception.

How many other non-mage Fereldens made it to the level of nobility in Kirkwall?

How many other Ferelden even earn a visit to the Viscount?

Most mages, if made free would be commoners and couldn't rule anyway, save by force (which the templars already do)

[TEWR]

dragonflight288 wrote...

SO you don't think mages should be allwoed to be whatever they want and live a free life?

Etheral has long said that mages should be free of the circles and allowed to live their lives. But they still need the templars, still need to check in. And if Andrastian, they could easily do that at the Chantry during mass.

Never once did he say allow mages to be in positions where they rule others.

well, I do think the Circle should exist, but as a boarding school only and not a lifelong forced home. Otherwise you're right.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

So the mages should NOT be free?

so you're intent on being an ass?

[EmperorSahlertz]

And how are the nobles going to resist when tehy won't even realzie they are being manipulated?

And yes Lob, I mean EXACTLY like the Warden Commander. In case you didn't notice, Wardens have never before been allowed to hold any titles, what happens in Amaranthine is unprecendented, and a mistake if the Warden is a blood mage...

[dragonflight288]

Is it truly a mistake if the Warden saves the entire city of Amaranthine? No demons were summoned.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 09 août 2011 - 04:05 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

So the mages should NOT be free?

so you're intent on being an ass?

Don't tell me you are surprised... But it is in the middle of the night for me, and I'm in a teasing mood...

[TEWR]

Wardens have been involved in politics before. Before they became neutral they helped spread the Chantry's influence (and they're a part of most countries' politics) and the Wardens basically run the Anderfels.



@Dragonflight288: Hah circles with words. I see what you did there.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Wardens still didn't hold titles, for the very reasons that their duties as a noble, could clash with their duties as a Warden.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 09 août 2011 - 04:10 .

[dragonflight288]

She was SOOO Orlesian.

@ Etheral And that Messer is why I'm here. *bows*

[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A blood mage politician... Yeah... That is a brilliant idea...

You mean like The Warden who becomes the new Arl of Amaranthine, who can use his blood magic to save countless people from the darkspawn in the same way that other Grey Warden mages have used blood magic?

You mean like the Baroness?

That woman was the epitome of ****iness.

I find it funny though that Orlais and the Chantry nominated a mage to rule over Fereldans. Not to mention Orlais was okay with a mage assisting the Orlesian usurper of the Fereldan throne.

[EmperorSahlertz]

You think the Chantry and Orlesians even knew she was a mage?

[dragonflight288]

Well she called girls to her manor to use a blood ritual to steal their youth regularly. That's kind of hard to hide. All her subjects knew she was a mage.

[TEWR]

plus I believe there are chantries in every village/city. I would think someone would tell the Revered Mother and she'd seek help.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Her subjects did, but did her compatriots? And was there even a Chantry in hte Black Marsh? I didn't see any ruin large enough, to once have been a Chantry.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

And how are the nobles going to resist when tehy won't even realzie they are being manipulated?

And yes Lob, I mean EXACTLY like the Warden Commander. In case you didn't notice, Wardens have never before been allowed to hold any titles, what happens in Amaranthine is unprecendented, and a mistake if the Warden is a blood mage...

Considering that The Warden is a mage, it's already illegal (according to Chantry law) for him to even hold a title, but apparently he does despite that. He is the new precedent, established with The Warden from the Circle of Ferelden who now holds a political office, command over an army, and governing an entire city and arling, not to mention control over the Grey Wardens within the nation.

[EmperorSahlertz]

That his case is unique, does not make it any less of a mistake.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Wardens still didn't hold titles, for the very reasons that their duties as a noble, could clash with their duties as a Warden.

Just because they don't hold titles currently doesn't mean they never did. Also, they're still involved with politics, which as you said is bad for mages because it's a stupid move for them to be involved in politics. Because they might use blood magic to run things.
 
Are you now changing your mind to say it's okay for the Wardens, specifically Warden mages, to be involved in politics? Oh my well would you look at that

[dragonflight288]

The Chantry would consider that a mistake regardless if he/she was a blood mage or not. My Amell practices every kind of magic the chantry doesn't control without using blood magic. (Shapeshifter, Arcane Warrior, Keeper) and is likely considered a maleficar.

He also uses the controversial school of spirit.

The Chantry probably hates his guts because he regularly animates the dead in battle. No blood magic though.

[TEWR]

Her subjects did, but did her compatriots? And was there even a Chantry in hte Black Marsh? I didn't see any ruin large enough, to once have been a Chantry.

I believe in the Fade version there were a few people dressed in Chantry clothing. You can't talk to them though.


also, even if there wasn't a Chantry, they theoretically could've sent word to Amaranthine to ask for help. Obviously they didn't get any. Whether they actually did ask for help is unknown. We do know though that they took matters into their own hands.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 août 2011 - 04:27 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

No, Wardens and mages should never be involved in politics. It was a mistake to ever give the Warden Commander a title.

[dragonflight288]

Go the Weishaupt Fortress and tell the army of Wardens that their lifestyle is a mistake. I'll get the popcorn.

[TEWR]

Except Wardens have been involved in politics since their founding. How is it a mistake if Wardens have always been involved in politics? The Warden is proof that a Warden who is a noble can serve the interests of both the Order and the people under his command.

The Wardens must be doing a good job of keeping Amaranthine safe since it's still under their care, the Order is well off in Amaranthine, and Amaranthine is taking over the seas for trade which caused some of Kirkwall's nobles to try some sneaky moves.

EDIT: Even if you try and not use the Warden, 2.5 years after Origins if you went through the Eluvian he is no longer the Arl, so a new Warden is appointed.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 août 2011 - 04:32 .