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[Clonedzero]

both sides are going to lose money over this, neither side wants that. basically its just a matter of who breaks first.

[MonkeySeeker]

Xivai wrote...

Of course Steam will win. Oh well no EA games for me until they come to their senses. Perhaps someday we will need a competitor, but it is not this day.

Meh, I don't think so. MOST people will simply buy the game wherever they can get it. I'd bet my life it's only a relatively small number of Steam "hammer legion members" who will refuse to buy BF3 and ME3 aswell if/when the same announcement comes.

Even on the Steam forums it seems most people don't really care and it's just the "hammer legion members" who are kicking up a fuss, much to the annoyance of the regular forum users.

I have loads of games on Steam and while I would prefer to be able to get ME3 on Steam, if it comes to it I'll get it wherever I can.

[TwistedComplex]

Dionkey wrote...

I know right? How DARE EA try to compete in a free market

EA isn't like every other publisher. They are the largest publisher of entertainment in history. It's a 20 MB program. Is downloading 20MB just TOO MUCH for people to handle?

This isn't competing, it's screwing the customers over! Steam is a fair service that lets publishers sell their games for a small price. How are they any different from a physical store? Should EA just open up an Origin shop in real-life, too? I hope the IRL version won't be as clunky, slow and poorly built as the digital version is. They are probably making something like 10% more profit off of DLC while forcing users to switch between programs and separating an already well-built community. This is just going to inspire EA to bottleneck it's customers into higher prices as time progresses. No one else is doing this because they are not greedy children. I never thought in a million years that EA would stoop lower than Activision, I guess I was wrong.

I don't know what problems your having with Origins. But that problem is your own because i haven't had them

No one else is doing this because 1) Not everyone WANTS to open something like Steam, and 2) Not everyone has the RESOURCES to open something like Steam.

But let me guess. EA is greedy, therefore, they open something that will make them LESS money. OH YEAH, the greatest minds in marketing and finance don't know whether or not they'll gain or loss profit, but YOU do right?

"10%. They'll lose money. They're greedy."
Do you have ANY IDEA or proof of what you're spewing on the forums, or are you just an armchair CEO?

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 08 août 2011 - 07:56 .

[Clonedzero]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Xivai wrote...

Of course Steam will win. Oh well no EA games for me until they come to their senses. Perhaps someday we will need a competitor, but it is not this day.

Meh, I don't think so. MOST people will simply buy the game wherever they can get it. I'd bet my life it's only a relatively small number of Steam "hammer legion members" who will refuse to buy BF3 and ME3 aswell if/when the same announcement comes.

Even on the Steam forums it seems most people don't really care and it's just the "hammer legion members" who are kicking up a fuss, much to the annoyance of the regular forum users.

I have loads of games on Steam and while I would prefer to be able to get ME3 on Steam, if it comes to it I'll get it wherever I can.

you're not the person they want to sell it to, they know you'll buy ME3 anywhere you can get it.

they want to sell it to the nonfans. steam pushes alot of sales because well they have those sales, and easy marketing. i open steam every day to check new deals. i got civ five like a week or two ago for like 10 bucks, would i ever have gotten it normally? nope. thats the sales they want.

[goofyomnivore]

Clonedzero wrote...

oh its still 2-3 months away before BF3 comes out. ive seen multiple news statements from EA, they KEEP talking about steam.

they'll break.

my guess? BF3 and ME3 will be on steam by their release dates. both Valve and EA want to sell it on steam. this whole thing is a bunch of stupid petty crap honestly.

EA is allowing you to redeem used/new Steam CD-KEYS on Origin. They're pretty serious about bringing Steam customers that buy their stuff to Origin.

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 08:00 .

[Clonedzero]

strive wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

oh its still 2-3 months away before BF3 comes out. ive seen multiple news statements from EA, they KEEP talking about steam.

they'll break.

my guess? BF3 and ME3 will be on steam by their release dates. both Valve and EA want to sell it on steam. this whole thing is a bunch of stupid petty crap honestly.

EA is allowing you to redeem used/new Steam CD-KEYS on Origin. They're pretty serious about bringing Steam customers that buy their stuff to Origin.

never said it wouldnt be valve that breaks first.

this whole origin vs. steam thing is really shady, neither side will release full details on what the issues are. its making me lose alot of respect for EA though since they're the ones talking smack, valve hasnt said anything on the issue yet.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Doesnt matter to me. I've already pre-ordered physical collector edition.

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 08 août 2011 - 08:03 .

[MonkeySeeker]

Clonedzero wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Xivai wrote...

Of course Steam will win. Oh well no EA games for me until they come to their senses. Perhaps someday we will need a competitor, but it is not this day.

Meh, I don't think so. MOST people will simply buy the game wherever they can get it. I'd bet my life it's only a relatively small number of Steam "hammer legion members" who will refuse to buy BF3 and ME3 aswell if/when the same announcement comes.

Even on the Steam forums it seems most people don't really care and it's just the "hammer legion members" who are kicking up a fuss, much to the annoyance of the regular forum users.

I have loads of games on Steam and while I would prefer to be able to get ME3 on Steam, if it comes to it I'll get it wherever I can.

you're not the person they want to sell it to, they know you'll buy ME3 anywhere you can get it.

they want to sell it to the nonfans. steam pushes alot of sales because well they have those sales, and easy marketing. i open steam every day to check new deals. i got civ five like a week or two ago for like 10 bucks, would i ever have gotten it normally? nope. thats the sales they want.

Fair point I guess, though I really don't think it's going to affect sales the way people are claiming it will. Or that EA will lose and Valve will win. EA will "win" either way as both games will still sell millions.

[Dionkey]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

I know right? How DARE EA try to compete in a free market

EA isn't like every other publisher. They are the largest publisher of entertainment in history. It's a 20 MB program. Is downloading 20MB just TOO MUCH for people to handle?

This isn't competing, it's screwing the customers over! Steam is a fair service that lets publishers sell their games for a small price. How are they any different from a physical store? Should EA just open up an Origin shop in real-life, too? I hope the IRL version won't be as clunky, slow and poorly built as the digital version is. They are probably making something like 10% more profit off of DLC while forcing users to switch between programs and separating an already well-built community. This is just going to inspire EA to bottleneck it's customers into higher prices as time progresses. No one else is doing this because they are not greedy children. I never thought in a million years that EA would stoop lower than Activision, I guess I was wrong.

I don't know what problems your having with Origins. But that problem is your own because i haven't had them

No one else is doing this because 1) Not everyone WANTS to open something like Steam, and 2) Not everyone has the RESOURCES to open something like Steam.

But let me guess. EA is greedy, therefore, they open something that will make them LESS money. OH YEAH, the greatest minds in marketing and finance don't know whether or not they'll gain or loss profit, but YOU do right?

"10%. They'll lose money. They're greedy."
Do you have ANY IDEA or proof of what you're spewing on the forums, or are you just an armchair CEO?

 Why WOULD you want to open something like Origin? If you did, why would you remove your games from the service? It does nothing but ensure market dominance and causes people to go buy your games elsewhere, it's stupidity. Look at what ME2 and Crysis did, they sold the DLC through and in-game store, that way EA got 100% of the profit. And no, I do not have their numbers of what they made on sales, I am giving a rough estimate on other services that have done this.

[Ecto-Plasmic Effect]

I'm guessing Steam is the only store you can buy the digital copy from? Or are people to lazy to get it somewhere else? I don't see this will affect BF3 and ME3 fans. If you really want the game, you'll find another way to buy it.

[Clonedzero]

for anyone wondering, the best way to describe this whole situation is.

EA wants to sell games on steam, but make people go to their websites to get the DLC, like coming to here to pick up ME2 DLC.

Steam wants to sell the games AND the DLC, they want both the game and its DLC to be available on steam.

for some reason EA is cool with selling games on steam, but not DLC. im not really sure why though.

and yes, its about the DLC not the games itself, the games are only being pulled / not put up in the first place, due to their DLC.

which honestly, is pretty stupid.

[TwistedComplex]

Dionkey wrote...
 Why WOULD you want to open something like Origin? If you did, why would you remove your games from the service? It does nothing but ensure market dominance and causes people to go buy your games elsewhere, it's stupidity. Look at what ME2 and Crysis did, they sold the DLC through and in-game store, that way EA got 100% of the profit. And no, I do not have their numbers of what they made on sales, I am giving a rough estimate on other services that have done this.

Maybe they want to open up their own Steam because they don't want to have to pay a thrid party to advertise their game? If EA owns origin, than they can advertise, without restriction from Steam.

A HUUUUUUGE amount of games these days are published by EA. Imagine how much money they give to Steam to advertise and carry their games. Ever think of that?  Imagine how much money Steam will lose if EA stops using them. Imagine how much money EA will save because they won't have to pay Steam to carry their games.

People who want EA games will buy EA games, even if it means downloading Origin. A PATHETICLY small amount of people won't buy EA games because they won't sell them on Steam. Steam is the only person who should be afraid of EA pulling there games from their service.

BF3 pre-oreders, according to the EA CEO, are up 700% PERCENT of the Bad Company 2 pre-order and you think BF3 sales are SUFFERING?

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 08 août 2011 - 08:16 .

[MonkeySeeker]

Clonedzero wrote...

for anyone wondering, the best way to describe this whole situation is.

EA wants to sell games on steam, but make people go to their websites to get the DLC, like coming to here to pick up ME2 DLC.

Steam wants to sell the games AND the DLC, they want both the game and its DLC to be available on steam.

for some reason EA is cool with selling games on steam, but not DLC. im not really sure why though.

and yes, its about the DLC not the games itself, the games are only being pulled / not put up in the first place, due to their DLC.

which honestly, is pretty stupid.

So why has ME1, ME2 or Dragon Age: Origins not been removed from Steam?

Modifié par MonkeySeeker, 08 août 2011 - 08:14 .

[TwistedComplex]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

So why has ME1, ME2 or Dragon Age: Origins not been removed from Steam?

Contracts

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 08 août 2011 - 08:16 .

[Clonedzero]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

for anyone wondering, the best way to describe this whole situation is.

EA wants to sell games on steam, but make people go to their websites to get the DLC, like coming to here to pick up ME2 DLC.

Steam wants to sell the games AND the DLC, they want both the game and its DLC to be available on steam.

for some reason EA is cool with selling games on steam, but not DLC. im not really sure why though.

and yes, its about the DLC not the games itself, the games are only being pulled / not put up in the first place, due to their DLC.

which honestly, is pretty stupid.

So why has ME1, ME2 or Dragon Age: Origins not been removed from Steam?

probably because their DLC sales are down, its old DLC.

i own DA2 on steam. it was pulled from steam the moment that DLC pack came out last week. due to exactly this. it probably has somethign to do with some legal fruitloops. where games that had DLC thats not on steam but came out before a certain date stays on. they're old games, its the new ones they all care about.

hell i got ME2 for like 5 bucks on steam like a year ago. they dont do sales that cheap unless its not selling good anymore.

but i think EA wants you to have to go to origin to get the DLC instead of just getting off steam because taht way you have to visit origin and look at all their ads and maybe buy something else. statistically simply going to the online store results in higher sales numbers so thats probably why.

its all a bunch of trival stuff though.

[Dionkey]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
 Why WOULD you want to open something like Origin? If you did, why would you remove your games from the service? It does nothing but ensure market dominance and causes people to go buy your games elsewhere, it's stupidity. Look at what ME2 and Crysis did, they sold the DLC through and in-game store, that way EA got 100% of the profit. And no, I do not have their numbers of what they made on sales, I am giving a rough estimate on other services that have done this.

Maybe they want to open up their own Steam because they don't want to have to pay a thrid party to advertise their game? If EA owns origin, than they can advertise, without restriction from Steam.

A HUUUUUUGE amount of games these days are published by EA. Imagine how much money they give to Steam to advertise and carry their games. Ever think of that?  Imagine how much money Steam will lose if EA stops using them. Imagine how much money EA will save because they won't have to pay Steam to carry their games.

People who want EA games will buy EA games, even if it means downloading Origin. A PATHETICLY small amount of people won't buy EA games because they won't sell them on Steam. Steam is the only person who should be afraid of EA pulling there games from their service.

You're missing the point, and that is that players will suffer from this. You are looking at this economically from the stand-point of EA when you should be looking at it as a matter of convenience and economy for the players. EA makes more than enough money as it is, they are only doing this so they can bottleneck players into high prices and avoid Steam sales. Why not just make it so they have Origin for pre-order bonuses and sales while leaving Steam to still supply the games to people who want to keep their catalogue in one place? 

[charmingcharlie]

MonkeySeeker wrote...
So why has ME1, ME2 or Dragon Age: Origins not been removed from Steam?

The older titles you mentioned are still available because they have been "grandfathered" in that the new terms and conditions are not being applied to games that existed on steam before the new terms and conditions came into force.

[Clonedzero]

people need to realize that most game sales arent from fans who know what they're gonna buy weeks in advance.

i'll buy a couple games a year knowing before hand. seeing previews, demos, ect. other games i buy after they come out and i dont know about them, i see an ad and its an impulse buy. those are the sales they all care about.

[Slayer299]

Im getting a physical copy, but considering EA wants to push Origins as the premier service and their "disagreement" with Valve, I can't see any reason ME3 would make it to Steam.

I buy more than a few of my games through Steam and having to use Origin as another client does not make me happy any.

[TwistedComplex]

Dionkey wrote...
You're missing the point, and that is that players will suffer from this. You are looking at this economically from the stand-point of EA when you should be looking at it as a matter of convenience and economy for the players. EA makes more than enough money as it is, they are only doing this so they can bottleneck players into high prices and avoid Steam sales. Why not just make it so they have Origin for pre-order bonuses and sales while leaving Steam to still supply the games to people who want to keep their catalogue in one place? 

Exept most customers WON'T suffer because most customers DON'T CARE where they get the game.

The only thing suffering the ego of people who, for some reason, can't bring themselves to download Origin.

Why would EA go through the trouble of setting up Origin, JUST to continue using steam?

It's amazing. You criticize EA because you say they will lose money and then you think it would be a smart business move to create a Steam-like interface and then not bother using it for the reason it was created.

You know how much extra effort the player has to exert in order to use Origin? He has to type in a user name, password, and email address. During that entire process you don't even have to get up from your CHAIR, and you think customers are "suffering". OH YOU POOR THING, having to TYPE WORDS.

[Veex]

Its still what, six months until ME3 launches? You may see this issue resolved by then. To clarify, the dispute resolves around DLC distribution. EA has always distributed its DLC through its own site, which you've downloaded as an attachment, and then loaded as an .exe. They have never changed the way they distribute DLC. Steam changed their Terms of Service so that they had to be allowed to distribute the DLC for any game on their service, meaning they'd take a cut of profits from any DLC sold from Steam users. To my knowledge, no other digital retailer does this.

As for Origin itself, it can act only as a download manager. You don't need the Origin client running, much less installed, to run a game installed through the service. It is less resource intensive and intrusive than Steam in that regard. I'm personally fine with a company wanting the full share of the product they produce. Steam is certainly a great service in terms of the wealth of products it provides and sales it offers, but it had no issue with EA's DLC practice in the past.

Clearly a money grab by Valve by making this change.

Modifié par Veex, 08 août 2011 - 08:41 .

[Dionkey]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Exept most customers WON'T suffer because most customers DON'T CARE where they get the game.

The only thing suffering the ego of people who, for some reason, can't bring themselves to download Origin.

Why would EA go through the trouble of setting up Origin, JUST to continue using steam?

It's amazing. You criticize EA because you say they will lose money and then you think it would be a smart business move to create a Steam-like interface and then not bother using it for the reason it was created.

You know how much extra effort the player has to exert in order to use Origin? He has to type in a user name, password, and email address. During that entire process you don't even have to get up from your CHAIR, and you think customers are "suffering". OH YOU POOR THING, having to TYPE WORDS.

They would still sell it on Steam because some people only purchase from Steam. Why do you think people are angry about switching to Origin and would much rather pick up a copy in store than buy from them? It's because Origin is trash and has nothing that Steam already has. No clans, community features, no achievements/rewards, terrible sales and interaction. To create a client for a single publisher to make some profits they obviously do not need is ludicrous. Do you not know what a business partnership is? Steam delivers the games to a huge audience with a well supported system for a small price and EA gets their sale. Win win, right? There are two outcomes to this:

1. Origin is a disaster and fails.
2. Origin is successful and clamps down with stupid DRM, High prices, and makes EA money.

You are so used to the industry shoveling garbge in your face that you just lay down at take it.

[DDG4005]

Mesina2 wrote...

Don't care,

I'm more for physical copies.

Same here.  I've preordered 3 copies of the collector's edition of ME3 (two from Amazon and one from Gamestop's web site) so I'm good.

Modifié par DDG3595, 08 août 2011 - 10:34 .

[Fredvdp]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Hm, I'm no PC gamer, but I don't think it will be on Steam. ME3 will probably be Origin exclusive.

While BF3 isn't coming to Steam it is coming to over a hundred other digital stores. They disagree with Steam's policy (which is rumored to be a cut of DLC profits) and so I guess ME3 won't come out on Steam but will on other digital platforms.

[Icinix]

I don't like digital distribution.

They can bat each other other the head with he said, she said bull**** all they want. The only person they hurt, is each other.

I'll buy physical games first and foremost until they stop producing them.