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[goofyomnivore]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

God... I am a Console gamer so I don't really care all that much, but what difference does it really make to you guys? As long as there won't be some dick move by EA like the Ubisoft online only nonesense then I really don't see the difference between playing ME3 on steam and playing ME3 on origin.

It is quite irritating to have to manage two digital libraries. Imagine having half your music soloy on Windows Media Player and the other half on iTunes.

[Sanunes]

Everything that I am understanding is Origin is a closer comparison to Direct2Drive then Steam. Honesty I probably would have given it a shot if I still didn't have the vile taste of my issues with the EA Store in my mouth.

[Jonathan Shepard]

I'm a PC gamer.
I support not supporting digital services. I wish they'd say "Physical copies or bust." Hopefully, Origin will flop and it will come to that.

Hooray, regression!

[Zsrai]

strive wrote...

It is quite irritating to have to manage two digital libraries. Imagine having half your music soloy on Windows Media Player and the other half on iTunes.

That's called "Rich People Problems."  I use Steam for the majority of my games now, but I also use physical copies and GamersGate.  If I can't get ME3 on Steam, I'll just use GG or BestBuy/Walmart/Target/etc.

I really don't understand why people are up in arms about this (besides the OCD factor, which I completely understand)

[PoSpoon]

I like some of the things Origin is doing. I like how I dont have to have it runnign to play my games, unlike steam. Steam refuses to let me even acess my games library or play any of my games unless Im connected to the internet. I cant use my laptop unless Im in a wifi zone.
And I dont see why people are portraying EA as some kind of Villian here. EA wants to sell DLC through the game. Steam doesnt want them to. EA decides that, rather then change the way they sell all of their products, set up Origin, a comparable service with their games and business models included. To use it, players just need to make an account and download a 20mb file. This is not a bad thing.

[Inspectre]

javierabegazo wrote...

Could ME3 really not make an appearance on Steam?

I'm sure it's been said, but I thought I'd add my voice.  Steam sucks, Who cares?

[zweistein_J]

well, i used to buy other EA games but i mostly only care about Bioware's creations.
if EA wants to keep on fighting with Steam like 4yo kids that's fine by me.
ill stay on physical copies.
and about the rest of EA games? well, EA is losing me from their customers list there. I aint care about battlefield or crysis or other franchises.
Steam users are MANY. EA games are not so many to make me worry to death.
i aint care what they do.
(Sorry for talking like that about Bioware's main money feeder and such, but seriously, their marketing ways are very stupid. their just losing more customers than they think)

[Nohvarr]

I'm rather curious to see how this plays out, beyond that, I already ordered my copy so this dosen't impact me at all.

[jojon2se]

Steam DOES want their clients to sell DLC through the game, BUT: for games bought through Steam (..and preferrably anywhere else, as well), they also want the DLC purchase and serving to go through Steam and Steamworks.
Two reasons: 1) Delivering a convenient unified service to the customer, who can get everything in one place and automtically handled and 2) Getting their share of profits, for providing the service.
Steam would rather have clients buy their whole service package, partly for the business, partly to be able to guarantee full customer service and partly because other options /could/ be abused at Steam's expense.

EA wants to do the same as Valve.
At the cost of devloping and running their own service, instead of outsourcing, they eliminate the middle man, which means: 1) collect 100% of profits. 2) Direct access to customers, rather than having to check everything through your DD partner. 3) Ability to add services at will, rather than depending on your partner to.

You can (...so far...) run you vanilla game without Origin's service framework running in the background, but I expect you will need to fire it up, if you want any after-sales services, such as networking, cloud syncronisation, auto-patching and DLC purchase and download, regardless of where you bought your copy.
This is exactly what Valve does with their games, so the two are on equal ground there.

EA wants to make money - nothing wrong with that and if they'd just be frank and say so, that would be that -- however: the way they instead carefully choose their words to place a malicious taint on the other party/competitor, who so far has an excellent reputation with customers, does not exactly help to improve the somewhat scoundrel-y image they have picked up over the years.

[Rockworm503]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Good, I'm tired of supporting Steam and Hat Fortress 2

Really? When has Steam ever screwed you over? I don't see how Origin is in the least bit better.

Episode 3

I hope you're joking...

Oh sure, people can **** about EA making DLC but when Valve sells digital hats, I'm the a**hole for disagreeing with them

Ignore the hats I do.  Suddenly I'm enjoying TF2 more.
Their making Half-Life 3 mark my words.

[Rockworm503]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

I know right? How DARE EA try to compete in a free market

EA isn't like every other publisher. They are the largest publisher of entertainment in history. It's a 20 MB program. Is downloading 20MB just TOO MUCH for people to handle?

This isn't competing, it's screwing the customers over! Steam is a fair service that lets publishers sell their games for a small price. How are they any different from a physical store? Should EA just open up an Origin shop in real-life, too? I hope the IRL version won't be as clunky, slow and poorly built as the digital version is. They are probably making something like 10% more profit off of DLC while forcing users to switch between programs and separating an already well-built community. This is just going to inspire EA to bottleneck it's customers into higher prices as time progresses. No one else is doing this because they are not greedy children. I never thought in a million years that EA would stoop lower than Activision, I guess I was wrong.

I don't know what problems your having with Origins. But that problem is your own because i haven't had them

No one else is doing this because 1) Not everyone WANTS to open something like Steam, and 2) Not everyone has the RESOURCES to open something like Steam.

But let me guess. EA is greedy, therefore, they open something that will make them LESS money. OH YEAH, the greatest minds in marketing and finance don't know whether or not they'll gain or loss profit, but YOU do right?

"10%. They'll lose money. They're greedy."
Do you have ANY IDEA or proof of what you're spewing on the forums, or are you just an armchair CEO?

LOL your hatred for steam is noted.
Would you support paying for Games for Windows Live if it meant getting rid of THE EVIL VALVE.
Ironic your defending EA in this.

[Xivai]

R3MUS wrote...

No big deal... I have pre-ordered a physical copy just like BF3.

And people who will not buy a game because it will not support Steam are really weird... You will buy the game anyway.

I have no problems buying the games if they don't force me to shovel Origins down. Right now that isn't confirmed. I know lots of games force you to use steam for physical copies. I'm wondering if it's the same with Origin. Which I can't stand in any way shape or form.

[Xivai]

InviolateNK wrote...

Xivai wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

No big deal... I have pre-ordered a physical copy just like BF3.

And people who will not buy a game because it will not support Steam are really weird... You will buy the game anyway.

I have no problems buying the games if they don't force me to shovel Origins down. Right now that isn't confirmed. I know lots of games force you to use steam for physical copies. I'm wondering if it's the same with Origin. Which I can't stand in any way shape or form.

Did you play GTA 4 back in the day? The installation was quite a journey....for me it started with having to update Windows XP, then download this, that, then this too, get an account here, register there, if you don't do all that you won't be able to save games....EA and its Origin are almost nothing compared to a sh*tload of crap Rockstar Games forced on a pc gamer before they'd let you play.

I mean, right now we have no choice. If Battlefield 3 is ever on Steam, with all DLC, I'll buy it there again. Same with ME 3. Origin is worse than Steam but still not so bad.

I didn't as a matter of fact because of all the **** I heard about it. ZING! And +1 point for the only man alive to has some scrupples! 

I feel so alone right now. Am I the only person who has a track record of sticking to their guns?

[xSTONEYx187x]

It doesn't effect me but TBH, I'm not a fan at all of John Riccitiello, he make's Bobby Kotick seem like such a swell guy.

: P

[JMKnave]

TwistedComplex wrote...
Exept most customers WON'T suffer because most customers DON'T CARE where they get the game.

The only thing suffering the ego of people who, for some reason, can't bring themselves to download Origin.

You know how much extra effort the player has to exert in order to use Origin? He has to type in a user name, password, and email address. During that entire process you don't even have to get up from your CHAIR, and you think customers are "suffering". OH YOU POOR THING, having to TYPE WORDS.

For those of you EA Fanboys out there that "don't care" as mentioned above; you should at least care about what you agree to when you install Origin. Obviously this Fanboy never read the TOS for Origin.

Here's one of the TOS stipulations that you should be aware of:

"2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

Be aware that by installing Origin, you agree to everything in the TOS. The TOS is a binding contract and you should always read it. By installing you agree to let EA sell your personal information to third parties so they can market/spam your mailbox with services. Please also note that EA forces you to upgrade/install Origin. If you choose to not agree/install Origin, your previous version (EA Download Manager) will shut down and no longer function. Running it again only gives you the option to "Install or Exit" which in essence locks the program down until you agree to the TOS. There is NO opt-out option given. This means that any and all games you bought online from EA as digital versions will no longer be available. If you do not have all those games installed already previous to this; you will not be able to install them again and hence you will no longer be able to play them.

I don't begrudge EA's attempt to make more money and I understand that many programs collect stats/info just like Origin does (e.g. Steam, iTunes, Windows, etc.) for update/patch purposes. What I don't appreciate is companies selling people's personal information to third parties for marketing products they may have no interest in without even an option to opt-out. And I don't appreciate games I have bought and rightfully own being held ransom by EA in an attempt to force people to use their Origin service. This is typical of what EA has been doing for the last several years now. They have become so large that the entire industry is made to suffer along with the very customers they sell to.

Modifié par JMKnave, 09 août 2011 - 06:23 .

[OperativeX]

JMKnave wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...
Exept most customers WON'T suffer because most customers DON'T CARE where they get the game.

The only thing suffering the ego of people who, for some reason, can't bring themselves to download Origin.

You know how much extra effort the player has to exert in order to use Origin? He has to type in a user name, password, and email address. During that entire process you don't even have to get up from your CHAIR, and you think customers are "suffering". OH YOU POOR THING, having to TYPE WORDS.

For those of you EA Fanboys out there that "don't care" as mentioned above; you should at least care about what you agree to when you install Origin. Obviously this Fanboy never read the TOS for Origin.

Here's one of the TOS stipulations that you should be aware of:

"2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

Be aware that by installing Origin, you agree to everything in the TOS. The TOS is a binding contract and you should always read it. By installing you agree to let EA sell your personal information to third parties so they can market/spam your mailbox with services. Please also note that EA forces you to upgrade/install Origin. If you choose to not agree/install Origin, your previous version (EA Download Manager) will shut down and no longer function. Running it again only gives you the option to "Install or Exit" which in essence locks the program down until you agree to the TOS. There is NO opt-out option given. This means that any and all games you bought online from EA as digital versions will no longer be available. If you do not have all those games installed already previous to this; you will not be able to install them again and hence you will no longer be able to play them.

I don't begrudge EA's attempt to make more money and I understand that many programs collect stats/info just like Origin does (e.g. Steam, iTunes, Windows, etc.) for update/patch purposes. What I don't appreciate is companies selling people's personal information to third parties for marketing products they may have no interest in without even an option to opt-out. And I don't appreciate losing games I have bought and rightfully own being held ransom by EA in an attempt to force people to use their Origin service. This is typical of what EA has been doing for the last several years now. They have become so large that the entire industry is made to suffer along with the very customers they sell to.

EA held my Command & Conquer 3, Kane's Wrath, Crysis 1 and Battlefield 2142 to ransom after i had upgraded my hardware/ re-installed my OS too many times. Most of the staff i contacted at EA help and support were RTFM guys blagging their way through a job.

Needless to say, i rebought those games on Steam apart from BF2142 which i bought a physical copy of. Steam versions i can backup and re-install no problem. EADM/Origin/DRM can go **** themselves. I refuse to use their service ever again!

EA are like Reapers - they indoctrinate the weak-minded

Modifié par OperativeX, 09 août 2011 - 04:05 .

[FERMi27]

I live in Post-Soviet space. I will never buy a physical copy of game with crappy DRM and/or limited number of activations.

[wilhelm Screamer]

ME3 is going to be one of those rare exception when I order retail, I want those physical goodies. :3

BF3 too I guess...

[Chiefje]

Even if you do buy a physical copy, there is still a chance you'll have to use Origin. You'd probably have to patch your game with it, or buy and install DLC.

[JMKnave]

OperativeX wrote...
EA held my Command & Conquer 3, Kane's Wrath, Crysis 1 and Battlefield 2142 to ransom after i had upgraded my hardware/ re-installed my OS too many times. Most of the staff i contacted at EA help and support were RTFM guys blagging their way through a job.

Needless to say, i rebought those games on Steam apart from BF2142 which i bought a physical copy of. Steam versions i can backup and re-install no problem. EADM/Origin/DRM can go **** themselves. I refuse to use their service ever again!

EA are like Reapers - they indoctrinate the weak-minded

I also lost several of my games when I chose to not upgrade/install Origin when I opened the EA Download Manager. I can no longer install/play them anymore even though I bought and rightfully own copies of them.

[Dionkey]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

All of this is solved by buying a physical copy, right? So what's the problem?

Digital Distribution offers unlimited copies and there is no problem of distance. Some people live far away from game stores or get there and they run out of copies, so Digital Distribution is always the next option. Now, this isn't the case for me because I pre-order my games and distance isn't an issue, but I understand other gamers concerns.

[Arppis]

Mesina2 wrote...

Don't care,

I'm more for physical copies.

Same here. I don't really care about it, but must suck for people who buy their games off Steam.