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[Dionkey]

JMKnave wrote...

I also lost several of my games when I chose to not upgrade/install Origin when I opened the EA Download Manager. I can no longer install/play them anymore even though I bought and rightfully own copies of them.

OH YES! How could I forget in my earlier arguments? From the Origin TOS:

5. Content and Entitlement Availability

Entitlements may only be held in Accounts belonging to legal residents of countries where access to and use of Content and Entitlements is permitted. Entitlements may be purchased or acquired only from EA or an authorized retailer. EA reserves the right to refuse your request(s) to acquire Entitlements, and EA reserves the right to limit or block any request to acquire Entitlements for any reason.

We do not guarantee that any Content or Entitlement will be available at all times or at any given time or that we will continue to offer particular Content or Entitlements for any particular length of time. We reserve the right to change and update Content and Entitlements without notice to you. If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use. Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for cash, or other goods or services. 
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They can take away games that YOU paid for because you didn't log on in two years. This is such BS, I don't care about any of the excuses like "HEY IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR NOT LOGGING ON". Listen, there are people who take breaks from gaming, some of them have to (Military Service or long business travel), some of them don't have to (they simply want to take a break). But y'know something? They all have the right to play the games they paid for whenever they want. A perfect example of this is TOR. People often quit MMO's for months, even years, why should I have check up on Origin for them to maintain my access to something I paid for?

Anyone defending EA in this case is a fanboy that defends every action associated with Bioware or it's partners. Valve is being blamed becuase EA wants to make some extra money along with little loop holes to screw over the customers.

Modifié par Dionkey, 09 août 2011 - 07:33 .

[Destructo-Bot]

Well, EA's service seems more along the lines of "you download and and are responsible for storing it in perpetuity if you want to be able to reinstall it", which competes very, very poorly with Steam's "we'll keep it available to you in perpetuity, download it whenever you need to".

Steam is actually offering a SERVICE, EA is offering little more than a store. And charging you the same as what the company offering a service does... or simply doesn't allow them to carry it at all.

Say hello to having a different download client from EVERY SINGLE PUBLISHER for your games.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 09 août 2011 - 09:12 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

In any case, it would not be very wise of EA to not release ME3 on steam at all, since it has a huge user-base and EA is all about more $$$.

Then again, EA also shoots themselves in the foot all the time, so who knows what they'll do.

[Dr JewLove]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Not to mention I have already decided to get the next COD game and not Battlefield 3 since Activision are letting me buy it from my preferred place of purchase.

hmm so getting a game that hasnt changed at all over a game that lets you do soooooo much.

i think all that cod playing is turning you into a mindless husk imo ha.

[Dionkey]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

All of this is solved by buying a physical copy, right? So what's the problem?

Digital Distribution offers unlimited copies and there is no problem of distance. Some people live far away from game stores or get there and they run out of copies, so Digital Distribution is always the next option. Now, this isn't the case for me because I pre-order my games and distance isn't an issue, but I understand other gamers concerns.

And these people can't get anything shipped to them?

Not only does shipping cost money (a lot if your outside of the US), but it also never gets there the first day. Waiting 3-4 days for a new game is not fun and often leaves people feel left out. I am sure many people on these forums would be dying if they had to wait 3-4 days after release to get ME3.

[AtreiyaN7]

I assume that means that it's likely that ME3 will be Origin-only. It's largely irrelevant to me, because one digital distribution method is the same as another as far as I'm concerned. Heh, and I'm someone who uses Steam pretty regularly. I like Steam, and it functions well, but I've also used Origin and haven't experienced major problems as yet. It's their product and their right to compete however they want, but I think that they might lose out on opportunities by not making it available on Steam. *shrug*

[Forsythia]

I sure wouldn't like it if ME3 won't be available on Steam, it's where I have ME1 and 2. But that doesn't mean I won't play the game, I'll get the 360 version regardless and the PC version, well, there are other digital distributors than Steam or Origin (haven't bought a retail PC game in years, ME3 won't change that). I refuse to buy the game on Origin, just because of EA's retardness concerning Steam.

[corrin1984]

I bought my Digital Deluxe version of Origin.com. It's new, doesn't have as many features as Steam, but who cares? It's better than going to the store to pick up ME. Chances are it won't be on Steam unless EA and Steam can work out their differences. Frankly, both sides have a point in this, neither is the good guy. Steam doesn't want to host games on their service that cost little to nothing, only to see all of the profit come out of DLC they can't touch. EA just wants to sell the games via Steam, and have all the DLC profits for themselves, just like if the game was bought via any other retailer. Both sides have valid points, but in the end, customers "suffer". But this isn't as bad as if it was a Walmart exclusive, or an ONLY AT GAMESTOP promotion. It's a few keystrokes away. And if you're worried about having to buy a game that isn't on Steam... don't. You can add non-steam games to your steam client. That'll allow you to have the Steam overlay working and you'll still get all the digital deluxe goodies.

Besides, I think the real point will be no matter how you buy it for the PC, it'll probably still install Origins for the DLC and update process. Just like Windows games use GFWL and Vavle games use Steam. So, in the end, boycotting buying it on Origin won't really accomplish much.

[In Exile]

Dionkey wrote...
OH YES! How could I forget in my earlier arguments? From the Origin TOS:

5. Content and Entitlement Availability

Entitlements may only be held in Accounts belonging to legal residents of countries where access to and use of Content and Entitlements is permitted. Entitlements may be purchased or acquired only from EA or an authorized retailer. EA reserves the right to refuse your request(s) to acquire Entitlements, and EA reserves the right to limit or block any request to acquire Entitlements for any reason.

We do not guarantee that any Content or Entitlement will be available at all times or at any given time or that we will continue to offer particular Content or Entitlements for any particular length of time. We reserve the right to change and update Content and Entitlements without notice to you. If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use. Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for cash, or other goods or services. 
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They can take away games that YOU paid for because you didn't log on in two years. This is such BS, I don't care about any of the excuses like "HEY IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR NOT LOGGING ON". Listen, there are people who take breaks from gaming, some of them have to (Military Service or long business travel), some of them don't have to (they simply want to take a break). But y'know something? They all have the right to play the games they paid for whenever they want. A perfect example of this is TOR. People often quit MMO's for months, even years, why should I have check up on Origin for them to maintain my access to something I paid for?

Anyone defending EA in this case is a fanboy that defends every action associated with Bioware or it's partners. Valve is being blamed becuase EA wants to make some extra money along with little loop holes to screw over the customers.

It's interesting that there hasn't been legal action over this. 

[Dionkey]

In Exile wrote...


It's interesting that there hasn't been legal action over this. 

I hope someone takes action, it's not even remotely understandable.

[In Exile]

Dionkey wrote...
I hope someone takes action, it's not even remotely understandable.

No, it makes sense. EA says "software is a license," so they will argue that they can set an expiry date on the license if you don't use it in a certain way. You think software is a poduct, so obviously you disagree. 

It's understandable, but a worse deal for consumers. 

[TexasToast712]

 Is it really that complicated to walk into your local video game store and buy a copy like a normal person?

[Whatever42]

In Exile wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
I hope someone takes action, it's not even remotely understandable.

No, it makes sense. EA says "software is a license," so they will argue that they can set an expiry date on the license if you don't use it in a certain way. You think software is a poduct, so obviously you disagree. 

It's understandable, but a worse deal for consumers. 

Not just EA says that. Every producer of any digital media pretty much says that. It has nothing to do with distribution, its one of their chief copyright protections. If I own the media then I can make copies of it. However, if its just a license then they can be far more restrictive.

[Computer_God91]

Dionkey wrote...

JMKnave wrote...

I also lost several of my games when I chose to not upgrade/install Origin when I opened the EA Download Manager. I can no longer install/play them anymore even though I bought and rightfully own copies of them.

OH YES! How could I forget in my earlier arguments? From the Origin TOS:

5. Content and Entitlement Availability

Entitlements may only be held in Accounts belonging to legal residents of countries where access to and use of Content and Entitlements is permitted. Entitlements may be purchased or acquired only from EA or an authorized retailer. EA reserves the right to refuse your request(s) to acquire Entitlements, and EA reserves the right to limit or block any request to acquire Entitlements for any reason.

We do not guarantee that any Content or Entitlement will be available at all times or at any given time or that we will continue to offer particular Content or Entitlements for any particular length of time. We reserve the right to change and update Content and Entitlements without notice to you. If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use. Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for cash, or other goods or services. 
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They can take away games that YOU paid for because you didn't log on in two years. This is such BS, I don't care about any of the excuses like "HEY IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR NOT LOGGING ON". Listen, there are people who take breaks from gaming, some of them have to (Military Service or long business travel), some of them don't have to (they simply want to take a break). But y'know something? They all have the right to play the games they paid for whenever they want. A perfect example of this is TOR. People often quit MMO's for months, even years, why should I have check up on Origin for them to maintain my access to something I paid for?

Anyone defending EA in this case is a fanboy that defends every action associated with Bioware or it's partners. Valve is being blamed becuase EA wants to make some extra money along with little loop holes to screw over the customers.

That is a load of Bullsh!t. I never wanted to use Origin before, but now I never will. Looks like I will have to get physical copies of all the EA games I buy.

[Goneaviking]

javierabegazo wrote...

The Escapist : News : EA Confirms No Battlefield 3 on Steam


This doesn't bode well for Mass Effect 3, but what do you guys think on this?

Could ME3 really not make an appearance on Steam?

I'd be fine with that. 

I'm not keen on being forced to go online to play games I've paid full price for, so it'd be nice not to have Steam be a compulsory component like some of the other games I've bought in hard copy.

Other people like to buy games through Steam, so it'd suck for them if they couldn't get it that way.

Modifié par Goneaviking, 10 août 2011 - 09:26 .

[Goneaviking]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 Is it really that complicated to walk into your local video game store and buy a copy like a normal person?

That would depend on where you live. No video game stores anywhere near where I grew up, still have to drive more than an hour to get to the nearest one.

[haberman13]

Well, that sucks.

However, now I will wait to buy ME3 at discount, so in the end this saves me money.

I love me some Steam - and don't have any interest in Origin.  I like my collection in one place.

I will buy retail when its ~$20 though.

Modifié par haberman13, 10 août 2011 - 09:53 .

[Inverness Moon]

This entire dispute is because EA is trying to open up DLC shops in their games to bypass the whole Steam system and not give Valve a cut.

I'm not going to buy Mass Effect 3 if I can't get it without ties to Origin.

[Dionkey]

Inverness Moon wrote...

This entire dispute is because EA is trying to open up DLC shops in their games to bypass the whole Steam system and not give Valve a cut.

I'm not going to buy Mass Effect 3 if I can't get it without ties to Origin.

Honestly the only way I could see them putting it back on Steam is if you get a boycott of at least 10,000 strong.

[Tommy6860]

I personally do not care. I don't like Steam all that much because of account restrictions limiting one game purchase to only one account. Besides, EA is in it to make more money and placing it on Steam means revenue sharing. It is EA's choice to do so, whether or not I or anyone else likes it or not. IF BF3 is not coming to Steam, then I would assume ME3 will not as well. It is EA's game, they can purvey the game through any vendor they so please. Maybe Steam should start publishing its own games. I have bought more of my digital purchases from EA and D2D than Steam, because they are not account restrictive.

[Cainne Chapel]

Didn't realize Steam was so holy in peoples eyes....

As for me, I really dont care, Have had the EA downloader/origins for a while now... as well as D2D and Steam. Honestly i've bought MAYBE a handful of games between the 3 (I prefer hard copies if at all possible unless its something like KOTOR that I cant get anymore)

So i really dont care which online service I get it from, because in the end... I still play the game I want to play regardless. If they dont have coke, I drink pepsi. and so forth.

[Kasai666]

Just buy the hard copy. I am.

[Dionkey]

Kasai666 wrote...

Just buy the hard copy. I am.

Some people do not live near major distributors.

[Massadonious1]

Do these same people not have mailboxes?