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[XP-8 TIM]

Would there be any benefit to rebuying them on Origin?

[sbvera13]

I'm guessing this is nothing more then strong-arming from EA to get better distribution deals from Valve. As stated, the players suffer, the companies win.

For the record, I will not buy ME3 if it's origin exclusive, simply because I don't want to have to manage multiple DRM services. Someone mentioned Steam is a PITA, why the obsession over it? Multiply that by 3 or 4x if every company starts going exlcusive. That's the issue.

[Aradace]

Mesina2 wrote...

Don't care,

I'm more for physical copies.

^ Pretty much encompasses my thoughts verbetim.

[Dionkey]

XP-8 TIM wrote...

Would there be any benefit to rebuying them on Origin?

Not that I know of. The game doesn't have software to detect that from what I know, you just transfer your save file and it should be good regardless of what you have the first 2 copies on.

[XP-8 TIM]

So is there any benefit whatsoever to having ME1 and ME2 on Origin instead of Steam?

Modifié par XP-8 TIM, 12 août 2011 - 08:21 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

XP-8 TIM wrote...

So is there any benefit whatsoever to having ME1 and ME2 on Origin instead of Steam?

Nope.

[Ahglock]

I want it on steam.
If I can;t get it there I will look at a PC hard copy.
If the hard copy requires origin i will pass on getting the PC hard copy.
I'll consider getting it on the 360 or PS3 but since all of my numerous saves are on the PC I might just pass entirely.

[InvincibleHero]

I never buy any games that require steam. I already have Origins due to Sims3 and it has caused no problems. It seems to be downloader client only. It may change in the future to be as intrusive as Steam which many seem to like oddly enough. I already have a registered EA account so no inconveniences yet. Perhaps it may make it easier to dispense with more intrusive DRM protections on future EA games.

To the complaints about personal info being used or sold to third parties. Any site you sign up to reserves those rights. It is why companies force you to register to have rebates or to redeem contest codes. Once you do business with a company they have a right to advertise with you. Give to a charity and they sell your address and you get many solicitations. EA gives you options to opt out of receiving adverts and I don't expect that to change. STEAM advertising is always for third parties if you receive offers in your e-mail about any non-valve game. They do the same thing.

[JMKnave]

InvincibleHero wrote...
To the complaints about personal info being used or sold to third parties. Any site you sign up to reserves those rights. It is why companies force you to register to have rebates or to redeem contest codes. Once you do business with a company they have a right to advertise with you. Give to a charity and they sell your address and you get many solicitations. EA gives you options to opt out of receiving adverts and I don't expect that to change. STEAM advertising is always for third parties if you receive offers in your e-mail about any non-valve game. They do the same thing.

I am sorry but you are incorrect in your assumption. You would see your mistake if you read over the TOS and Privacy Policy.

I mentioned already that many other companies (Steam, iTunes, etc.) collect personal and non-personal information from their customers just like Origin does, that is very true. But not every company treats that information in the same manner.

Here is the Steam stipulation about how the above information is handled from their Privacy Policy:

"Personally identifiable information protected under this privacy policy and collected from users may be done in conjunction with associates under agreement with Valve. If an associate of Valve is collecting such personally identifiable information within one of our products or online sites, Valve will make users aware of this at the time the information is gathered. For example, product registration data for Half-Life is collected by Sierra Entertainment. If a user does not want to provide this information, the user may choose to opt out of providing this information."

With Steam, you have the option to opt-out. This is acceptable, many companies allow their users the ability to opt-out of sharing information. Microsoft also has this option.

Here is the iTunes stipulation from their Privacy Policy:

"At times Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers. For example, when you purchase and activate your iPhone, you authorize Apple and its carrier to exchange the information you provide during the activation process to carry out service. If you are approved for service, your account will be governed by Apple and its carrier’s respective privacy policies. Personal information will only be shared by Apple to provide or improve our products, services and advertising; it will not be shared with third parties for their marketing purposes."

With iTunes, your information may be shared with third parties but NOT for marketing purposes.

And here is the EA stipulation from their Privacy Policy:

"EA will never share your personal information with third parties without your consent. We may, however, share anonymous, non-personal, aggregated and/or public information with third parties. There may be circumstances where you may share information on your own. Please see section XI for more details about your rights to information you share publicly on EA and other third party sites and forums. You may also opt in to allow EA to share your personal information with companies and organizations that provide products or services that we believe may be of interest to you. To opt out of further communications from a marketing partner or sponsor with whom your information has been shared, please contact that partner or sponsor directly."

There is a slight difference in legal-speak here. Personal information is not shared, only non-personal which technically means that they wont say this is info from Real Name: John Smith but from Gamer Name: GameNick122. You also have the option to opt-IN to more marketing but if you want to opt-OUT you don't do it through EA; instead you have to track down that particular third party on your own and deal directly with them. But what privacy policy do these third parties have? You wont know until they start advertising to you and you find them yourself.

The only opt-out option EA gives the user who has previously used EA Download Manager is to "Install or Exit". There is no other option during the install/upgrade. You either agree to all their terms or shutdown the program. That is not acceptable.

Modifié par JMKnave, 16 août 2011 - 06:55 .

[FERMi27]

I still think ME3 will be on Steam.

[Cadeym]

I really don't want to split up my games list yet. I started purchasing my games on steam a long time ago, aswell as eventually purchasing a steam copy of nearly every retail game I have.

Switching to Origin is as appealing for me, as it has ever been to use GFWLive (of which I only ever bought DLC content that was exclusive to it).

I still expect some version of ME3 to be sold on steam, and I don't care if it's just the normal version. I am ofcourse, eventually going to buy the game should it not be released on steam, but it will be a retail copy (which I expect won't have anything to do with the Origin store itself).

EA please find a solution for this mess with steam, because I for one am not going to use the Origin store simply because you refuse to let steam sell your dlc.

P.S. Had it not been for steam, I would never have bought BFBC2, Mirror's Edge, NFS:**** (I mean shift), Warhammer Online, Crysis 1+2 and C&C 4 + Red Alert 3. Think about that EA, had these games not been on steam, I wouldn't have cared in the first place.

Modifié par Mouseraider, 17 août 2011 - 01:34 .

[InvincibleHero]

@JMKnave

No difference note Steam says associates. They say protected information but how is that defined. They have info on that they consider fair to share no matter what. Do they consider an e-mail address personal info? They also pass on the third party stuff in the same way just say it is from Steam not x party. You still get the advertisements that you may not have asked for either. You can never opt out of anything Steam wants to send you so it is moot.

EA says anonymous not sharing personal data so what is the problem? They amount to the exact same thing.

Guess what if you refuse to install Steam you cannot play any game either. So that is moot as well.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 17 août 2011 - 02:00 .

[JMKnave]

InvincibleHero wrote...
@JMKnave

No difference note Steam says associates. They say protected information but how is that defined. They have info on that they consider fair to share no matter what. Do they consider an e-mail address personal info? They also pass on the third party stuff in the same way just say it is from Steam not x party. You still get the advertisements that you may not have asked for either. You can never opt out of anything Steam wants to send you so it is moot.

EA says anonymous not sharing personal data so what is the problem? They amount to the exact same thing.

Guess what if you refuse to install Steam you cannot play any game either. So that is moot as well.

Umm... I believe I already mentioned that the information collected is the same for all companies. And whether one set of legal-speak says third parties or associates doesn't matter because they may mean the same thing. That wasn't the point of what I wrote so I think you misunderstood.

You're posting information that is not correct. They are opinions and while everyone is entitled to them, it's misinforming people.

The difference is in how the information is used and whether you can opt-out of marketing from those third parties/associates. You say that you cannot opt-out within steam and that is not correct.

Here's a screencap:

You can opt-out of all steam notices about updates, new releases, etc. right there.

Here's another screencap:


You can opt-out of all beta programs and their marketing as well. You can even set your profile to Friends only or even Private so that no one can view it.

How many email advertisements have I received from Steam since becoming a member? Zero. None. The only emails I have received are receipts for purchases and support emails for changing/resetting my password. If you have been receiving them then check your settings as above or you may have signed up on third party websites from the game developer themselves. I never do that unless I have previously bought from that game developer and/or have read their policies.

Here's a screencap of the option you get from EA Download Manager (now known as Origin):


Yes or Exit. Yes meaning install Origin which pops the TOS and tells you that by installing you agree to it or Exit which shuts down the program. Even iTunes allows you the option to not install and continue using an older version of the software and so you still have access to the music you purchased. With EADLM/Origin, you do not have that option. If you click Exit, it closes the program and you cannot reinstall your games at all.

I have been a member of Steam since 2008. I have had an EA account for even longer than that going back to 2003. I have bought and played EA games (Madden, NHL, FIFA, NFS) even before that. I have not received marketing emails from EA either because I made sure to opt-out of everything in the past.

But this recent TOS with Origin has changed. They've even recently changed/updated their Privacy Policy as of July 27, 2011 to go along with the introduction of Origin. This is suspect and I encourage everyone to find out for themselves and read them on their own.

Why? Because the Canadian game developer that used to be EA is not the same EA that we have today. It is a large international corporation that answers to shareholders. And we've been getting mixed messages from their PR/Marketing recently about Origin:

They initially mentioned that they would still offer their games on Steam. But we know that SWTOR will be exclusive to Origin. And then as the OP mentioned, no BF3 on Steam either; exclusive only to Origin. They also mentioned that Origin would be for downloading your purchases only and then on August 12, 2011 we find out that Origin will be required for BF3 (even for retail copies).

If they want to compete with Steam, that's fine with me. I don't mind even if they choose to run in the background like Steam either. But I want access to the games I bought previously through them with an option to opt-out of their in-game marketing through Origin, their third party marketing, and the right to how my information is shared.

[Swordfish56]

People say 'buy the physical copy' but what if installation is bundled with Steam/Origin still?

That's what happened to me when I picked up Empire Total War. I distrusted digital distribution and picked up a hard copy but I ended up stuck with having to start Steam to play it anyway.

I fully expect retail copies of ME3 to do exactly the same thing, whether its Steam, Origin, or both.

Modifié par Swordfish56, 17 août 2011 - 03:30 .

[Tup3x]

javierabegazo wrote...

The Escapist : News : EA Confirms No Battlefield 3 on Steam


This doesn't bode well for Mass Effect 3, but what do you guys think on this?

Could ME3 really not make an appearance on Steam?

It means that I'm not buying it directly from Origin. Much, much cheaper to buy physical copy which you can actually add to Origin. You only lose when you buy from Origin. It's kinda ironic but sadly 'tis true.

Same goes to Steam. I love it but new games are pricey. If they have Steam integration, I will get the retail version instead yet it still integrates nicely in Steam.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 17 août 2011 - 03:32 .

[FERMi27]

Great news, folks!
Looks like Valve and EA are finally about to reach consensus regarding the most butthurting question for many Steam gamers(not for me anyway, not a fan) - BF3 & it's availability in Steam.
Take a look at this article. Now why do I have a feeling that it's true? Maybe because Gaben knows well enough, that the lack of BF3 in Steam won't make him any closer to Forbes' 1st page?
Now, what does that mean for Mass Effect 3? Or for Dragon Age II? Or Crysis 2? Or any other upcoming EA title? I think, only good things can it mean!

[Drimberly]

Pfft.
I only really use origin when steam is down or I can connect.
In that its better.
However, I usually buy the cheapest, which in this case is Amazon.
BOW DOWN TO ITS 17% OF ALL PC GAMES!

[Sobe2988]

If I am planning on getting a game when it comes out, I just get the hard copy. I mainly use Steam for deals on games I wouldn't normally get.

[onelifecrisis]

FERMi27 wrote...

Great news, folks!
Looks like Valve and EA are finally about to reach consensus regarding the most butthurting question for many Steam gamers(not for me anyway, not a fan) - BF3 & it's availability in Steam.
Take a look at this article. Now why do I have a feeling that it's true? Maybe because Gaben knows well enough, that the lack of BF3 in Steam won't make him any closer to Forbes' 1st page?
Now, what does that mean for Mass Effect 3? Or for Dragon Age II? Or Crysis 2? Or any other upcoming EA title? I think, only good things can it mean!

Thanks!
From the article:
Valve requires that all DLC is sold through Steam, while EA would prefer to sell via its own channels.

Umm... my copy of ME2 is on Steam, but all ME2 DLC is purchased and downloaded from outside of steam... so... what's the problem again?


Anyway, I've already got Origin. I only use this PC for gaming and surfing. So if EA want to know what games I play and what game sites I read, they can for all I care.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 08 octobre 2011 - 09:02 .

[Complistic]

onelifecrisis wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

Great news, folks!
Looks like Valve and EA are finally about to reach consensus regarding the most butthurting question for many Steam gamers(not for me anyway, not a fan) - BF3 & it's availability in Steam.
Take a look at this article. Now why do I have a feeling that it's true? Maybe because Gaben knows well enough, that the lack of BF3 in Steam won't make him any closer to Forbes' 1st page?
Now, what does that mean for Mass Effect 3? Or for Dragon Age II? Or Crysis 2? Or any other upcoming EA title? I think, only good things can it mean!

Thanks!
From the article:
Valve requires that all DLC is sold through Steam, while EA would prefer to sell via its own channels.

Umm... my copy of ME2 is on Steam, but all ME2 DLC is purchased and downloaded from outside of steam... so... what's the problem again?

Steam started this policy a few months ago.

[onelifecrisis]

Complistic wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

Great news, folks!
Looks like Valve and EA are finally about to reach consensus regarding the most butthurting question for many Steam gamers(not for me anyway, not a fan) - BF3 & it's availability in Steam.
Take a look at this article. Now why do I have a feeling that it's true? Maybe because Gaben knows well enough, that the lack of BF3 in Steam won't make him any closer to Forbes' 1st page?
Now, what does that mean for Mass Effect 3? Or for Dragon Age II? Or Crysis 2? Or any other upcoming EA title? I think, only good things can it mean!

Thanks!
From the article:
Valve requires that all DLC is sold through Steam, while EA would prefer to sell via its own channels.

Umm... my copy of ME2 is on Steam, but all ME2 DLC is purchased and downloaded from outside of steam... so... what's the problem again?

Steam started this policy a few months ago.

OIC
Thanks.

[Marik88]

as much as I hate the idea of going back to the 90s and pirating stuff, if EA tries to make me use only their client I don't like they leave me no other choice. We're on a slippery slope here, people. What if UbiSoft, Bethesda and every other publisher will also push their clients on us to maximize returns. Imagine having to run 20 clients on your computer that pop up crappy advertisements every 20 seconds and annoy you about linking them to facebook. People will torrent games just in spite.

[Rahmiel]

I really don't understand all this anti-origin pro-steam sentiment. How is more choice, bad? Origin and steam are both online stores. How does it differ from actual retail stores? Would people be happy if gamestop had a monopoly on selling games? Should walmart, futureshop, best buy just stop selling games?

Secondly, EA may in fact, sell fewer copies, but may in fact generate more revenue. On a recent airing of the colbert report, Radiohead mentioned that since they've been producing their own music and selling it themselves, they have made more money but sold fewer albums.

I can agree that people love "one stop shopping" but I fail to see how more choice does not equal a win for gamers. I mean, even blizzard is selling games through their battle.net system. Do people take issue with this as much as EA setting up their own system?

Besides, it's not hard to check out a new webpage or program. I understand people have other issues with origin and its "spyware" or whatever it's doing.. so your choice is to use it or not. But all this "why can't everyone use steam" is pretty ridiculous. Why are people wanting valve to have a monopoly?

[tfive24]

if u think that by getting the physical version of the game and not install origin on your computer, then u are dreaming. You will have to install origin to launch the game.

[Walker White]

Memmahkth wrote...

I really don't understand all this anti-origin pro-steam sentiment. How is more choice, bad?

Network effects.  They are particularly important for multiplayer games.