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[Ryzaki]

No no no no. Not falling into that trap. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 août 2011 - 07:11 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Ryzaki wrote...

No no no no. Not falling into that trap. 

A trap? I said nothing about good or evil, but rather about the level of unity either faction has.

[Ryzaki]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

No no no no. Not falling into that trap. 

A trap? I said nothing about good or evil, but rather about the level of unity either faction has.

I didn't mean you my bad. Just...yeah. *flees thread* 

[EmperorSahlertz]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...The inability for some people to understand that there are good and bad on both sides is utterly astounding.

Mages as a whole aren't really a "side." If you mean that there are good and bad in the Libertarians/Resolutionists as well as the templars, then yes.

The mages are as much a "side" than the templars are a "side". The liberarians and resolutionists still answer to their First Enchanter. You might say that the American Army and Air Force aren't the same "side", but they still answer to the same people ultimately because they're all part of the American Armed Forces. 

That's not a very good analogy. Fraternities are more like political factions, and their philosophies can be very different. They are all mages, but they think very differently. Aequitarians are all about great power coming with great responsibility and that mages should find common ground with templars and leaders. Libertarians are for mage freedom. Isolationists are for isolation. Lucrosians are for profit. The Loyalists do anything the Chantry orders. The Resolutionists are violently pro-Mage freedom. And then there are hedge mages, blood mages, and Tevinter magisters. None of these groups share a common viewpoint. The only thing that binds them is magic. Compare this to the Templar Order, which, despite having dissenters in the rank and file, is much more monolithic.

And just like the mages, do the Templars all have different views, and are just as different as mages. The mages are as much a side as the Templars. If you want to further disect it, you can say Circle mages and Kirkwall Templars for instance.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So, in Ferelden the templars were fairly lenient and the place wasn't full of evil mages.
In Kirkwall, Meredith is close to legally having to put a swastika on her armor and the place is teeming with abominations.

Did you not notice that seemingly half of that tower were blood mages and was going to be annulled once they got reinforcements?

If my memory serves me correctly there is a enthralled Templar in the Broken Circle Quest who never made it out of the tower, he was the templar that was sent to Denerim to get the Grand Cleric's approval on the ROA for the Ferelden's Circle.  You pick up this note/letter when you kill the Templar and the Desire Demon.    This happens before the fade with the Sloth demon.  Ser Greagoir would have been waiting along time for backup because his request never got sent to the Grand Cleric, it never left the tower.  No help was coming from Denerim.

So the ROA for the Ferelden's Circle wasn't going to happen anytime soon.  The warden and party are the only people to show up to lend any aid what-so-ever.   Uldred or the Pride Demon that he turned into was prepared for that event. 

At least Greagoir did act according to Chantry law, he sent or tried to send to the Grand Cleric of Denerim gaining her permission to exercise the ROA.  He checked with his superior while Meredith didn't.  Meredith's superior would have been the Divine herself or another Grand Cleric, from a nearby country such as Ferelden or Nevarra.

I fully expected Meredith herself to kill the Grand Cleric.  I wasn't expecting Anders doing the deed.  For me that came out of left field in a sense.  I knew that Anders/Justice was up to no good, I did not expect the chantry getting blown up.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 12 août 2011 - 11:16 .

[dragonflight288]

Oh. I read a note from him that said his superiors were planning on having him removed from duty because he lacked the dedication to the job. Or was that a templar corpse....gah! Now I need to replay it to find out.

Food for thought though.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I think the Templar who was suppsoed to deliver the message to the Grand Cleric in Denerim was Wesly. He was on "important business" for the CIrcle, which was in complete disarray at the time of DA2, and on his way to Denerim.

[dragonflight288]

That's possible too.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think the Templar who was suppsoed to deliver the message to the Grand Cleric in Denerim was Wesly. He was on "important business" for the CIrcle, which was in complete disarray at the time of DA2, and on his way to Denerim.

Wesley states he was on business for the Chantry.  He never mentions the circle, but you could be right.  I had the impression from Wesley that he was investigating something else.   Bethany herself states its a strange time to be hunting mages, unless Wesley was hunting Anders.

I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right, just that I didn't view it this way. 

If you're right, he was certainly headed in the wrong direction!  I guess to look for his wife.

I would have felt sorry for Wesley, Anders would have kicked his butt.  

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 12 août 2011 - 11:33 .

[dragonflight288]

Wesley: I was on my way to Denerim on Chantry business....but had to turn south after hearing of Ostagar.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ Dragonflight288

LOL, I realized and edited my post when you were responding.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Bah, Chantry Circle.. too many C words

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 12 août 2011 - 11:36 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Bah, Chantry Circle.. too many C words

[CrimsonZephyr]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...The inability for some people to understand that there are good and bad on both sides is utterly astounding.

Mages as a whole aren't really a "side." If you mean that there are good and bad in the Libertarians/Resolutionists as well as the templars, then yes.

The mages are as much a "side" than the templars are a "side". The liberarians and resolutionists still answer to their First Enchanter. You might say that the American Army and Air Force aren't the same "side", but they still answer to the same people ultimately because they're all part of the American Armed Forces. 

That's not a very good analogy. Fraternities are more like political factions, and their philosophies can be very different. They are all mages, but they think very differently. Aequitarians are all about great power coming with great responsibility and that mages should find common ground with templars and leaders. Libertarians are for mage freedom. Isolationists are for isolation. Lucrosians are for profit. The Loyalists do anything the Chantry orders. The Resolutionists are violently pro-Mage freedom. And then there are hedge mages, blood mages, and Tevinter magisters. None of these groups share a common viewpoint. The only thing that binds them is magic. Compare this to the Templar Order, which, despite having dissenters in the rank and file, is much more monolithic.

And just like the mages, do the Templars all have different views, and are just as different as mages. The mages are as much a side as the Templars. If you want to further disect it, you can say Circle mages and Kirkwall Templars for instance.

I'm not saying they lack a diversity of views, but the paradigm is very different with the Templars, a military order. The mages seem more academic, more inclined to debate, and thus less unified. The Templars are a military order, which presupposes that they have a greater emphasis on discipline, obedience, and hierarchy. In other words, the Fereldan Templars and Kirkwall Templars may be very different in their interpretation of their role, but they believe they have the same role: policing mages. The Libertarians and the Aequitarians do not really share any consensus. It's pretty much stated that Circle policy is dictated by a coalition of Loyalists and Aequitarians that form a supermajority of the Circle leadership, at least in Ferelden.