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[Ryzaki]

Erani wrote...

@Ryz: But Owain was "safe" where he was so he had no reason to go anywhere else considering that the stockroom was his comfort zone, so to speak. What I meant was the there's a chance that when the fighting was going on, some of the tranquil got scared and ran away and eventually joined up with apostates and Templar supporters for protection.

It's more likely they'd go to the Chantry. The people they know can feed, house and clothe them. 

And tranquil don't get scared. They have no emotions supposedly. They'd rather not die but they apparently don't feel fear. They wouldn't feel a rush to flee. They'd follow directions first. 

[TEWR]

@Riferno: There's a conversation about how Sandal is special because he's a dwarf that can make enchantments and I recall a conversation at Ostagar with a tranquil mage who said they were the best ones for making enchantments. I don't think normal mages can do it Dwarves mine lyrium (which is dangerous) and they're the best at that. They don't make enchantmnts though.

Actually, dwarves do enchant items

[TEWR]

It's more likely they'd go to the Chantry. The people they know can feed, house and clothe them.

And tranquil don't get scared. They have no emotions supposedly. They'd rather not die but they apparently don't feel fear. They wouldn't feel a rush to flee. They'd follow directions first.

Karl.

Dude would rather die a mage with emotions than be a Templar's Tranquil lackey and have no emotions. Tranquility is not all it's cracked up to be.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It's more likely they'd go to the Chantry. The people they know can feed, house and clothe them.

And tranquil don't get scared. They have no emotions supposedly. They'd rather not die but they apparently don't feel fear. They wouldn't feel a rush to flee. They'd follow directions first.

Karl.

Dude would rather die a mage with emotions than be a Templar's Tranquil lackey and have no emotions. Tranquility is not all it's cracked up to be.

Uh...your point? When he was tranquil he was following the circle's word to the letter. Him being lucid for a few seconds (something that will probably never happen again) doesn't change that. 

Though ah so it's dwarves and tranquil mages. Normal mages still don't count in that number. 

Not to mention with Orzammar's rigid caste system I don't see an influx of mages being welcome. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 août 2011 - 05:46 .

[TEWR]

Dagna's Circle attracts mages from all over the world.

[Erani]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Dagna's Circle attracts mages from all over the world.

 Yes, the Orzammar Circle is home to all kinds of apostates and maleficarum. The dwarves are happy to ****** off the Chantry.

[TEWR]

well Dagna's Circle was constructed free of the Chantry's influence from the start, so the Chantry can't get any more pissed off now can they? =P

[Ryzaki]

Dagna has no circle in my game.

Not to mention none of the epilogue slides are actually canon.

[Melca36]

You should not assume its just going to be Templar VS Mages.

There will be people who side with the mages as well as those who side with the Templars.

Its likely going to be Mage VS BloodMage as well.

Modifié par Melca36, 09 août 2011 - 07:35 .

[TEWR]

From page 1

If you agree to bring Dagna's request to the Circle, she writes a book that draws mages to form a new Circle in Orzammar. The Chantry and Templars would be fools to attack Orzammar because Orzammar is the only place that has people who can safely (though with some risks still there) mine lyrium.

Additionally, just because the Warden may say no does not mean that Dagna will not keep trying. Not everything revolves around the Warden. That he says "No" doesn't mean she will give up her dream so easily.

Finally, if a Chantry is established in Orzammar, Brother Burkel is slain. I personally take this to mean the Chantry in Orzammar is gone. Further, if a Circle was still established but under Chantry rule (though the epilogue doesn't say anything), that Circle may fall under the jurisdiction of Orzammar and not the Chantry, if the Assembly and King so willed it. Since you can do both quests, then I assume the result is exactly that. If you do both, a Chantry is established, it draws many converts, Brother Burkel is slain, Dagna writes a book, a Circle is established under chantry rule, it eventually falls under Orzammar rule when Burkel is slain. That would give the Divine more of a reason to contemplate marching in the epilogue than just "They killed a convert!"

Just because you say no doesn't mean she gives up. Ryzaki, if someone told you "no" about something you've wanted your whole life, that you've studied about for years and years and read countless books on the subject, would you really leave it at that? Would you really let somebody dictate what you want?

That a stranger refuses to help Dagna doesn't mean she won't just leave on her own. The Warden is not so important that he can make someone care so little about a dream they've had their entire life.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 août 2011 - 06:42 .

[Selej]

This is gonna be a hard one to call as there is no canon. I see so many people talking about Freleden being pro mage w/ King Alistair and a mage GW but that's far from canon. My Cousland warden is the king/prince consort as well as Teryn of Gwarin, married to the ruling Queen Anora, brother to Terny of Highever in Fergus and Warden commander. Bhelen rules the dwarves in my story so they're not as pushed back by the darkspawn and the circle tower was razed to the ground. My Fereleden has a large templar army who is closely allied with the royalty there. Apostates will find no allies in my home country

[Ryzaki]

And just because you have an epilogue slide doesn't mean it actually occurred Winter. I'd love to know who Dagna contacted when the Circle was Annulled for one thing.

And yes I'd think she'd eventually give up if she realizes no one is listening to her she's young. She'll get over it and do something extraordinary with the tools she has. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 août 2011 - 07:04 .

[TEWR]

Gregoir the Knight Commander.

[Ryzaki]

And Gregoir is a no nonsense person. He wouldn't humor Dagna like Irving would.

Not to mention Leliana claimed she was hunting Broodmothers...huh considering DA2 doesn't look like that happened.

[Melca36]

Selej wrote...

This is gonna be a hard one to call as there is no canon. I see so many people talking about Freleden being pro mage w/ King Alistair and a mage GW but that's far from canon. My Cousland warden is the king/prince consort as well as Teryn of Gwarin, married to the ruling Queen Anora, brother to Terny of Highever in Fergus and Warden commander. Bhelen rules the dwarves in my story so they're not as pushed back by the darkspawn and the circle tower was razed to the ground. My Fereleden has a large templar army who is closely allied with the royalty there. Apostates will find no allies in my home country

What happens if Orlais wants to invade Ferelden?

It would be a smart move to declare Ferelden Mage friendly because they would help guard the borders.

[TEWR]

How do you know what Gregoir would and wouldn't do? you don't get to talk to him about it, so you don't know what he would and wouldn't do.

If the Circle is Annulled, then Gregoir is in charge. He is supposed to take care of the mages and help rebuild. A dwarven girl, who is the son of a smith, could help greatly. Especially with her knowledge of enchantment that the Tranquil could benefit from. This isn't a nonsense type of thing. Gregoir is probably thinking the same thing as Irving. That her knowledge of Orzammar could help greatly. There is nothing wrong with someone wanting to learn the theory of magic. She could even tell them some things about lyrium that they don't know. About Dwarves and why they don't go to the Fade when they dream.

Dwarves and Mages are linked together more than one would think.

And what the hell does Leliana have to do with Dagna? I know at the end she may say she's been tasked with finding out more about Darkspawn, but what the hell does that have to do with Dagna?

[Ryzaki]

It has to do with you treating that epilogue slide like it's canon when it's not

And are you kidding? You do speak to Gregoir! Or are you going to completely ignore both the magi origin and the conversation you have with him during the Broken Circle to tout your point?

You know what forget it. Keep your head in the sand.

[TEWR]

You can speak to Gregoir about Dagna in the Magi Origin and Broken Circle? News to me! I can't believe he can predict the future!

It has to do with you treating that epilogue slide like it's canon when it's not

No, it happens in the ceremony, which is still a canon part of the game. She says she's doing it for the Chantry, which means it still happens. That the epilogue says it means nothing if she says it in the actual game.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 août 2011 - 08:25 .

[Ryzaki]

Of course because Gregoir being strict by Chantry law means of course he's willing to break it by letting a non-circle mage and non sister/brother join the chantry! Theres nothing about him to suggest that's unlikely!  Edit: And yes he DOES refuse her! If the circle is annulled and Irving is dead Gregoir says...DROOMROLL! 

NO
 

Transcript: 

Warden: A dwarf, Dagna, wants to come study magic.
Greagoir: A dwarf? Studying magic? Such a thing is unheard of. The dwarves have no connection to the Fade and magic. Likely she's been taken in by fantastic stories about the wonders of magic, more fiction than fact. [Dismissive, condescending] The Circle is in no shape to take apprentices, let alone dwarven tag-alongs. Her childish dreams of magic will have to suffice. May they give her comfort. [Says this with finality. Is eager to dismiss the whole idea.]

So yeah. No circle in Orzammar depending on how you play. 

Uh...no. She's not hunting broodmothers fo the Chantry. there's nothing at all to suggest she ever goes.

Dagna goes to the circle sure. But that circle in Orzammar is an epilogue slide guess what that means!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 août 2011 - 08:48 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

Ryzaki wrote...

@dragonflight288: Only the Warden is a AW. (and perhaps those he/she decided to teach the skill o.) All the other AWs are pretty much non-existent.

Hubby was playing in the Origins' secret proving fights earlier today, and one of the combatants is labeled quite clearly as an arcane warrior.  Kind of odd.

[Ryzaki]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

@dragonflight288: Only the Warden is a AW. (and perhaps those he/she decided to teach the skill o.) All the other AWs are pretty much non-existent.

Hubby was playing in the Origins' secret proving fights earlier today, and one of the combatants is labeled quite clearly as an arcane warrior.  Kind of odd.

Wait...really?  

I thought the whole point of AW was that it was a dead style only learnable by that little spirit thing. 

BIOWARE! *shakes fist*

[LadyJaneGrey]

Ryzaki wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

@dragonflight288: Only the Warden is a AW. (and perhaps those he/she decided to teach the skill o.) All the other AWs are pretty much non-existent.

Hubby was playing in the Origins' secret proving fights earlier today, and one of the combatants is labeled quite clearly as an arcane warrior.  Kind of odd.

Wait...really?  

I thought the whole point of AW was that it was a dead style only learnable by that little spirit thing. 

BIOWARE! *shakes fist*

  Yup, I double checked it looked so out of place.

[LobselVith8]

Dagna's research doesn't lead to an independent Circle of Orzammar if The Warden asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence, either.

[Ryzaki]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...
  Yup, I double checked it looked so out of place.

Good grief. I just place that in the same box as ground popping abominations. *shakes head* 

@LobselVith8: Really? That's...kind of odd. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 août 2011 - 09:00 .