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Go read you're codex entry on Llomerryn. Rivain seers don't believe in the chantry teachings. They believe like Morrigan and Flemeth that possession is the way to go. Do you have a reference source on there being a chantry presence in Rivain? I'm really sure that they don't have one. Rivain, Seheron, and Par Vollen are the only countries in Thedas where the Chantry does not have any influence.
Just like the Chasind in the Kocari Wilds don't believe in the Chantry teachings. Dwarfs don't believe the chantry either. They will benefit the most from this war. Nor do the Dalish.
Last time I checked my warden(s) were one of the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden after Ostagar.
You also might want to go back and read what bards and The Crows do, and the various specialization skills rogues can pick up in these areas.
Wars and battles are won on the intelligence that their spies pick up.
The only suggestion that I can make to you is studying about war and history more or watch the history channel more often. 
We were not talking about the acutal facts about the blight in Ferelden, but what people think happened. People outside Fereldan hadn't gotten the true message about what happened. Heck there cases where people IN fereldan that believed in Loghain's propaganda.
I suggest studing religion and relgious war, because that is among other things what this war is. You are not getting the mages back into the circle's, and you can't stop new mages from being born, you are not going to stop the templars from following the doctrine they believe in.
This war has no winners, only victims and the only way it will stop is when the chantry belief is modied to accept the mages (and that modification is accepted commenly) or when the chantry and the andrastian faith falls from the position of power - neither of these two is going to happen any time soon in an medieval setting.
Oh my goodness, I don't believe you are following what you are actually writing. You said in a post above that Rivain does have a chantry and I'm giving you a reference telling you that they don't have one and the reasons why. I asked you for a reference so I can gain knowledge that they do since you seem confident that they have one.
Yes, people outside of Ferelden did know what happen in regards to the Blight. I gave you examples of this. Once again word of mouth mechanic and how society operates within said mechanics and how they communicate on a local level vs grand scale.
Individual opinions in other countries will be determined by each individual per their opinion and knowledge on what actually happened. Rulers of all countries will know the truth, how will they know, various ways as word of mouth travels. I can't help you figure this out. You'll have to do this on your own since you don't understand about the mechanic of voiced word and how word of mouth played a large part and the spies networks knowing what was going on.
At no time did I say there were winners in this so called war. It is a conflict that will have far reaching effects for all countries of Thedas. I never said there is a winner or loser either way. Once again, you're failing to release how wars (religous or not) are won and lost.
This is all that I have to say on the subject. 
I haven't mentioned Rivain, I think. I have mentioned Antiva in regards to the crows and Fereldan. I know nothing on Rivain expect they have their Seers who apperently are possessed mages - oh and besides that they have something of an prohibtion of magic if I remember the codex correctly. I also asked someone about something with Anders' Tevinter amulet, but I think that is it.
Rulers will not always know the truth that is naive to think, and I am sorry, but the whole point of sending Riodan in was to find out what happened so the wardens who were important in relation to the blight didn't knew what happened. Since he got caught I expect they didn't get the best information, I think the thing everybody knew was that Cailan was death, Loghain was acting regent which the banns wasn't happy with, and there was a blight. Depending on their individual spy-network different rulers might have different information, but you cannot gurentee that information to be accurate.
My original point is that I didn't think it was a war that could be won, and you are once again failing to understand something important. The templar-mage was is a war of belief. It doesn't matter who will win the battles, the death count will not matter in the end because it is a war built on principles and not to gain territory, it is not even a proper civil war because it involves more countries. The moment the templar left the chantry, the circle system broke down and thus templar and mages are going to fight each other untill neither side can remember what they fight for. The fight is basically going to be like Templar kill mage - mage kill templar - new mage is born - no circle meaning automatically apostate - mage has to fight templar if discovered - innocent gets hurt from both sides - those who have been hurt will have relative there might take up the fight meaning new mage sympatizer and new templars
As long the Andristian faith is interprented the way the it currently are tis spiral of violence is not going to end.
I realized my mistake and replied to you by mistake. I'm sorry about that, I was in the wrong on that score.
I disagree with you about the Rulers. Case in point Empress Celene was trying to work with Cailan on the blight issue and trade also. Loghain is the person who stopped the Orlesian Wardens from entereing Ferelden. So Loghain's propaganda would have had an impact if the wardens lost the landsmeet. Loghain in his lack of knowledge until he is made a warden won't fully understand what a danger his decision would have been to Ferelden over the blight and not allowing Orlesian Wardens into Ferelden. King Cailan at Ostagar point blank tells Loghain that Wardens battle the blights and darkspawn regardless of their country of origin. Empress Celene and the Divine both would have known of the Blight going on in Ferelden. The blight was a security issue for all rulers within Thedas not just Ferelden. Word really traveled fast for the Qunari to know about the blight.
In regards to Leliana. Regardless of Leliana being a good spy or not is beside the point. The point is that all countries have their own spy networks to gather intelligence for their own defense. Ever hear of the CIA, MI5, and the KGB in our time outside of the game?
Rulers will have access to information that a common person on the street won't have. Is it possible that all intelligence gathered is accurate. Of course not. Another example. Meredith and Viscount were already aware of the blight occurring in Ferelden due to the refugees pouring into Kirkwall and they had been for at least six months according to the Kirkwall guards when Hawke and Family arrive. Hawke and family arriving in Kirkwall addresses this. So people started fleeing Ferelden when Ostagar happened.
The Arishok as a highly placed representative of the Qun also knew about the Blight in Ferelden. They send Sten to Ferelden to seek an answer on the blight.
Various other nations would have also known due to sea traffic and exchanges at other ports. Isabela's own story line addresses this. She saved Ferelden refugees from becoming slaves. There were probably the same people that Loghain might have sold into slavery.
Tevinter Imperium also knew since they had slavers in Ferelden and the Free Marches taking advantage of the poor, these people were trying to flee from danger.
Do you honestly think Rioardan is the only warden that snuck into Ferelden? Once again, try to think about what is happening off screen. You have to think about it.
How did all of these nations know that a blight was happening in Ferelden? Due to intelligence gathering through spy networks. The wardens in other countries would became aware if the our wardens and Alistair failed in ending the blight and the Arch Demon would have marched on toward other countries. All factions of polictical groups and religious groups would have known due to spy networks.
The leaders of all of these countries did know what was happening in Ferelden concerning the blight. You also have to use a little common sense on how war works, once again rather it is a religious war or not. Being a religious war is not my point. My point is this, wars are won or lost on intelligence gathering. The defense of any nation in-game would rely on intelligence gathering.
I think it is naive for you to think that world leaders in game or within our own world are lacking in information. Most rulers don't get the top job being a idiot. For those players who don't like Alistair as ruler this might be up for debate.
Since the Qunari sent Sten from Seheron which is one the countries in the northern part of Thedas how did they know to send him to seek an answer on the blight all the way down in the southern part of Ferelden?
Men and women who have served in any military understand what I'm trying to say here, they know exactly what I'm saying here. I'm not just talking DAO and DA2 but throughout are own human history in waging war on one another.
I do agree with you, the templar/mage war is a war that won't be easily won by either side and all innocents inbetween will be the ones most harmed.
This is as clear as I can be on my position.
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