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[Quole]

ShadowSplicer wrote...

I'd have to say Liara, Lair of the Shadow Broker, nuff' said.

Ash is the least realistic for me because she's such a blatant racist.
If romancing Liara, this conversation appears:
"Scuttlebutt (Garrus) says you have a thing for her."
"Oh I get it, have to make nice with all the bug eyed monsters."
On the Citadel:
"I can hardly tell the aliens from the animals."
Honestly, people that think she isn't racist need to open their eyes. She has always been the one to get toasted on Virmire, I never regret it, and I never will.

agreed.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Liara and VS.
ME2 romances don't make any sense too me,
About 3 dialogues with every chrachter and already sex.

[Made Nightwing]

Quole wrote...

ShadowSplicer wrote...

I'd have to say Liara, Lair of the Shadow Broker, nuff' said.

Ash is the least realistic for me because she's such a blatant racist.
If romancing Liara, this conversation appears:
"Scuttlebutt (Garrus) says you have a thing for her."
"Oh I get it, have to make nice with all the bug eyed monsters."
On the Citadel:
"I can hardly tell the aliens from the animals."
Honestly, people that think she isn't racist need to open their eyes. She has always been the one to get toasted on Virmire, I never regret it, and I never will.

agreed.

You're pretty sure I slept with racist?

Doesn't matter! Had sex!

[Quole]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Quole wrote...

ShadowSplicer wrote...

I'd have to say Liara, Lair of the Shadow Broker, nuff' said.

Ash is the least realistic for me because she's such a blatant racist.
If romancing Liara, this conversation appears:
"Scuttlebutt (Garrus) says you have a thing for her."
"Oh I get it, have to make nice with all the bug eyed monsters."
On the Citadel:
"I can hardly tell the aliens from the animals."
Honestly, people that think she isn't racist need to open their eyes. She has always been the one to get toasted on Virmire, I never regret it, and I never will.

agreed.

You're pretty sure I slept with racist?

Doesn't matter! Had sex!

Oh look. The troll is back!

[V-rex]

II will not yell at Shadow Splicer, I will not yell at Shadow Splicer, I will not yell at Shadow Splicer...

Ashley is, in my mind at least, the clear winner. If only because unlike just about every other character in Mass Effect, she could actually exist in the real world. She's an ordinary person with ordinary problems, not an alien or a space pirate or genetically engineered in a lab. She's the only one who is just an ordinary human with a, by comparison, ordinary life.

Her issues are simple mundane issues that make sense for an aforementioned ordinary person in her kind of position and situation, and her flaws and issues make her feel like a full well rounded person. As such her relationship arc and the way it plays out and develops feel real and given that it can begin as early as a friendly remark in the med bay after Eden Prime until it gradually builds up to an actual relationship that ends with sex just before Illos.

If nothing else she isn't announcing her love for you in the very second conversation you have with her, and the conversations you have with her can last pretty long if you actually listen to what she has to say. Seriously though, I clocked it once. One conversation with Ashley lasted almost (like a minute less) as long as the entire Tali romance subplot, three conversations and romance scene included.

I guess what I'm saying is, by comparison to the romances in Mass Effect 2, Ashley's felt like it progressed at a much more gradual rate. Which meant that all the things that happened, like her opening up and admitting her concerns with her abilities and place in this war, or being encouraged to actively try to trust aliens and her talking about her family and personal likes and dislikes actually felt more natural.

It wouldn't have felt the same if it was the standard 'three conversations, then bed' rule that applies to the Mass Effect 2 love interests and while ultimatley, by comparison to romances in literature and some well made movies, Ashley's still feels kind of shallow. It's deeper then most when it comes to game romances.

But still, that's just my view of it.

Modifié par V-rex, 09 août 2011 - 06:29 .

[Made Nightwing]

Quole wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Quole wrote...

ShadowSplicer wrote...

I'd have to say Liara, Lair of the Shadow Broker, nuff' said.

Ash is the least realistic for me because she's such a blatant racist.
If romancing Liara, this conversation appears:
"Scuttlebutt (Garrus) says you have a thing for her."
"Oh I get it, have to make nice with all the bug eyed monsters."
On the Citadel:
"I can hardly tell the aliens from the animals."
Honestly, people that think she isn't racist need to open their eyes. She has always been the one to get toasted on Virmire, I never regret it, and I never will.

agreed.

You're pretty sure I slept with racist?

Doesn't matter! Had sex!

Oh look. The troll is back!

Doesn't matter, had sex!

[Golden Owl]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Liara and VS.
ME2 romances don't make any sense too me,
About 3 dialogues with every chrachter and already sex.

Uh...second conversation with Liara and she makes a pass at Shep....The most romance dialogs for manShep are Ash and Jack..

[fredward55]

The most realistic romance probably the VS maybe flirting with Tali before you know she's an alien or even more realistic no romances since a commanding officer dating one of his/her troops especially if there under rank will be fraternization and a human/alien romance would probably be like bestiality.

[TexasToast712]

 Liara.

[Spanky Magoo]

Honestly, It depends on whos playing shepard. Mine is Miranda my friend's is Liara their characters mesh with us differently and suit us, but we both agree and dont see the allure of Tali lol.

[Dariustwinblade]

NONE! None of the romances are realistic.

Shepard is a young man.

He has his whole life ahead of him. He has to worry about saving the galaxy first then worry about romance.

If I was Shepard I would first win the war for our survival. And when that is all said and done.

Go to an expensive exicutive bar. Have a drink with well educated independant woman. Go on a couple of dates get to know each other for at least more than three conversation probally six months. Then if I like her get serious settle down... ETC.

THAT IS REALISTIC. Shep is in no rush.

[GoG ToXiC]

Who would I realistically want to be with the most?
Lets look at the options

ME1:
Ashley: Racist, annoying, tells you to **** off in ME2
Liara: "Shepard, you used prothean tech? I find myself suddenly very attracted to you."

ME2:
Miranda: "Imma so perfect, Imma so perfect." I'll admit she warms up a bit after her loyalty mission
Jack: Psycho ****
Tali: Seems like it builds up over the course of both games, making it seem a bit more realistic.  She loves you enough that she's willing to effectively risk her life, making it that much more meaningful.  Also, not annoying, ****y, psychotic, or arrogant. 

I'll admit I'm probably pretty biased.  I would also like to state that I am in no way flaming or bashing anyone who prefers the other characters.

Modifié par GoG ToXiC, 09 août 2011 - 07:41 .

[xXljoshlXx]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Who would I realistically want to be with the most?
Lets look at the options

ME1:
Ashley: Racist, annoying, tells you to **** off in ME2
Liara: "Shepard, you used prothean tech? I find myself suddenly very attracted to you."

ME2:
Miranda: "Imma so perfect, Imma so perfect." I'll admit she warms up a bit after her loyalty mission
Jack: Psycho ****
Tali: Seems like it builds up over the course of both games, making it seem a bit more realistic.  She loves you enough that she's willing to effectively risk her life, making it that much more meaningful.  Also, not annoying, ****y, psychotic, or arrogant. 

I'll admit I'm probably pretty biased.  I would also like to state that I am in no way flaming or bashing anyone who prefers the other characters.

Very biased 

[GoG ToXiC]

xXljoshlXx wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Who would I realistically want to be with the most?
Lets look at the options

ME1:
Ashley: Racist, annoying, tells you to **** off in ME2
Liara: "Shepard, you used prothean tech? I find myself suddenly very attracted to you."

ME2:
Miranda: "Imma so perfect, Imma so perfect." I'll admit she warms up a bit after her loyalty mission
Jack: Psycho ****
Tali: Seems like it builds up over the course of both games, making it seem a bit more realistic.  She loves you enough that she's willing to effectively risk her life, making it that much more meaningful.  Also, not annoying, ****y, psychotic, or arrogant. 

I'll admit I'm probably pretty biased.  I would also like to state that I am in no way flaming or bashing anyone who prefers the other characters.

Very biased 

I know I'm biased there.  I just never really liked any of the other female characters other than Tali and Kasumi, and Kasumi's not romanceable.  Although I liked Miranda more after the loyalty mission, and Samara was sorta awesome.

Modifié par GoG ToXiC, 09 août 2011 - 07:53 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Seboist wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Seboist wrote...

FemshepXTIM would be the most realistic one by far. A woman of femshep's stature wouldn't be lowering herself to be with her underlings but with a top dog like TIM.

So a man can dwell with "underlings" but a women can only be with someone with higher authority then her's.

Great little ideals that you have. Very cute.

Women of femsheps' status do usually seek men of equal or greater status but I'm sure in your little world rich and powerful women end up with blue collar men like construction workers all the time.

...They do, it makes them feel powerful and superior to their partners.

[Wereparrot]

Quole wrote...

ShadowSplicer wrote...

I'd have to say Liara, Lair of the Shadow Broker, nuff' said.

Ash is the least realistic for me because she's such a blatant racist.
If romancing Liara, this conversation appears:
"Scuttlebutt (Garrus) says you have a thing for her."
"Oh I get it, have to make nice with all the bug eyed monsters."
On the Citadel:
"I can hardly tell the aliens from the animals."
Honestly, people that think she isn't racist need to open their eyes. She has always been the one to get toasted on Virmire, I never regret it, and I never will.

agreed.

Disagreed.

Regardless of the age old debate on whether Ashley is racist, it's surely more realistic to pick a human LI. For me, sexual relations with aliens is a bit like zoophilia. I'll probably get accused of racism myself for that, but the fact is that relations of this kind are classified as paraphilia, because the object of desire is not human.

[Bcuz]

In all honesty, the way all of the romances were written you have to bend facts a bit to make any of them seem realistic.

[syllogi]

V-rex wrote...

II will not yell at Shadow Splicer, I will not yell at Shadow Splicer, I will not yell at Shadow Splicer...

Ashley is, in my mind at least, the clear winner. If only because unlike just about every other character in Mass Effect, she could actually exist in the real world. She's an ordinary person with ordinary problems, not an alien or a space pirate or genetically engineered in a lab. She's the only one who is just an ordinary human with a, by comparison, ordinary life.

Her issues are simple mundane issues that make sense for an aforementioned ordinary person in her kind of position and situation, and her flaws and issues make her feel like a full well rounded person. As such her relationship arc and the way it plays out and develops feel real and given that it can begin as early as a friendly remark in the med bay after Eden Prime until it gradually builds up to an actual relationship that ends with sex just before Illos.

If nothing else she isn't announcing her love for you in the very second conversation you have with her, and the conversations you have with her can last pretty long if you actually listen to what she has to say. Seriously though, I clocked it once. One conversation with Ashley lasted almost (like a minute less) as long as the entire Tali romance subplot, three conversations and romance scene included.

I guess what I'm saying is, by comparison to the romances in Mass Effect 2, Ashley's felt like it progressed at a much more gradual rate. Which meant that all the things that happened, like her opening up and admitting her concerns with her abilities and place in this war, or being encouraged to actively try to trust aliens and her talking about her family and personal likes and dislikes actually felt more natural.

It wouldn't have felt the same if it was the standard 'three conversations, then bed' rule that applies to the Mass Effect 2 love interests and while ultimatley, by comparison to romances in literature and some well made movies, Ashley's still feels kind of shallow. It's deeper then most when it comes to game romances.

But still, that's just my view of it.

You are always the voice of reason and good sense V-rex.  I adore your posts.  

I would also add Kaidan, minus the biotics, is a pretty normal and realistic dude, but if I had to choose a character who could realistically step into the real world unaltered and be awesome, it would be Ashley.

[wright1978]

After reading some of the reasons people have for excluding characters as being a realistic romance, i Think Obi Wan says it best "you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view". Realism it could be any of them really as the individual player defines their Shephard and what they view as being the natural romance path. My personal preference is definitely Miranda.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

What is the most realitistic romantic paring in your opinion?  Also give reasons of why said romantic paring has a realisitc feel that other parings don't.


I think that how much time Shephard has known the character before having romance with him/her, is related to how realistic it is.

Or you can say none of them are realistic since its science fiction, which we all know isn't realistic

None actually in ME & ME 2. BoB bond certainly but romance with the time constraint and the way they were written? Still, to answer the Q, I'd say either Ash/Kaiden because they would be the ones Shep can relate to more easily than the rest. I would not have Shep having any fling with them in ME but forming a closer bond by the end of the game, only to see it unravel in ME2 by the LI's reaction at Horizon. The relationship would finally come to fruition in ME3. Well, that's how I would have it.

The same handicap applies to Liara too except it weighs more heavily against her since she's not human and her manner was too forward and flighty in ME. For any chance for this relationship to take off would be her actions regards Shep in ME2. Despite her motives, what she did would be enough to trigger some interest. How it would pan out depends on what happens in ME3.

Garrus, Thane and Tali make good dependable squadmates but not LIs; not of the same species (someone already mentioned the problems regards this so I'll not bring it up). Relationships with them can be as close as family but no more.

Miranda, Jacob and Jack. Wild cards and carrying chips on their shoulders. Just by these alone, Shep would have reservations about getting too close. Friends yes, squadmates, yes. LIs? It would take more than hopping around the galaxy collecting the squad and KO-ing the Collectors to build up an interest in that direction . Insufficient material and time constraint for that in ME2. If written diferently, progress should continue on to ME3 to culminate in a LI.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 09 août 2011 - 12:32 .

[Estelindis]

Honestly, it depends on a number of factors.

I think Ashley and Kaidan are more grounded than Liara in ME1, but on the other hand it's possible that a Shepard to whom duty is very important might either a) leave the one he loves on Virmire, or romance Liara because she is not part of the Alliance command structure. Or both: romance Ash/Kai first, then turn to Liara for comfort after Virmire.

For a Shepard who saw his or her loved one die on Virmire, though, an immediate rebound might be unrealistic. Say s/he waits for ME2 to love again. For a male, I honestly find Jack the most realistic LI. I think the romance has the best development and it's an amazing showcase for character growth. On the other hand, Tali is a familiar face and Shepard might prefer to turn to someone from his past who he knows he can trust. Same applies for female Shepard with Garrus. Somehow, I have an idea of a female Shepard who, having lost Kaidan, starts falling for Thane - but, when she discovers he's dying, she just can't cope with the idea of losing someone again, and falls back to Garrus because he's "safe."

Personally, I've never really been able to connect with the Cerberus romances (Miranda and Jacob). I know not every person's Shepard distrusts Cerberus, but personally I find it difficult to imagine Shepard really letting her or his guard down around them.

[aiDvEoN]

Xenophilia in Mass Effect is kind a hazy issue. It's almost as much a part of space opera as FTL travel, yet as part of the reconstruction of the genre that the game does, relations with aliens that aren't Asari seem to be pretty rare. I think just dismissing potential LIs on that basis alone isn't really the right approach.

It all depends on how you approach the genre elements I guess.

[Marta Rio]

Ooh, this is a fun topic.  Here's how I'd rank the 'mances in terms of "realism".

MaleShep
1. Miranda - she's human, and Cerberus doesn't seem to have strict rules about fraternization.
2. Ashley - she's human, but there're rules about fraternization in the Alliance.
3. Liara - alien, but compatible with humans. 
4. Jack (non-Renegade) - yeah she's human, but she's also an abuse victim. 
5. Tali - her bodily fluids are poison!  Poison!  Plus you could kill her.

FemShep
1. Jacob - for the same reasons as Miranda (Note: I think the pairing is the most realistic, not the atrocious dialogue.)
2. Kaidan - for the same reasons as Ashley.
3. Liara - see above
4. Thane - alien, hallucinogenic, slightly more human-looking and less poisonous than Garrus.
5. Garrus - don't ingest.  Plus he seems confused when you bring it up.

That being said, I romance Tali or Garrus, unabashedly, in all my playthroughs!  One time I tried Liara, but it was weird.