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[CMDR Locke]

I think Liara is the canon relationship for Maleshep, and Femshep would be Kaiden (Liara if into females)

Personally I choose Tali. She's been there since the first day on the Citadel helping me save the galaxy. And, she doesn't actually ever ask anything of you until her Loyalty mission in ME2. She makes a quirky comment about "dashing commanders and how could a girl not feel like she does." I've had conversations like that in real life.

Personally I'd never be attracted to a girl that calls herself perfect all the time. I'd never find myself more than a shoulder to cry on for a girl so messed up in the head with homicidal attitude. Ashley is clearly a future-version bigot which is a turn off. And, Liara's first interest in you, is not you per say but the knowledge you have of her first love Promethean History. After the meld she may genuinely love you, or maybe she thinks she does; she is a 105 year old space virgin after all, with no past experiences with love.

[CMDR Locke]

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[quote]The Twilight God wrote...


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Aha.
Then how can anyone consider that canon? It's a Renegade -option-, it's not canon, and it's not even close to metagaming if people ignore it. I play mostly Paragade, but have one Paragon Shepard as well. Should I consider her to be a psychopath just because she has the option to electrocute a Batarian pilot, set a Krogan warrior ablaze or shove a Merc through a window?

Renegade and Paragon options are hardly something to go by when considering a canon Shepard. If you do, then the canon Shepard is wildly schizophrenic.
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Canon

Male Shepard
Soldier
Earth Born
Soul Survivor

Face it Canon Shep is more Renegade than Paragon.

[Badpie]

Might depend on your Shepard and background. For me, my Spacer/sole survivor/ soldier fit with Ashley perfectly, not just because they had things in common but they were both no nonsense blunt and stubborn. They may be different ranks, but they felt like equals in terms of interaction with one another. So I guess I would say Ash.

And though I never romanced Miranda that seems like a logical pairing to me as well.

For femshep I'd say Kaidan. Maybe Jacob. As much as I like all the non-human squaddies I feel like realistically my Sheps are more attracted to other humans.

[Made Nightwing]

@Cephalopods. Now now good sir, our mockery of Talimancers is only in jest. Despite being a massive Ash fan, I too, occasionally dabble with our buxom Chief Engineer.

That said. Ash isn't racist, there's nothing wrong with being religious (to say that there is, is extremely bigoted on your part), and I'm not going to get into the 'abandonment' issue. She and Shepard were going in opposite directions at the time, 'nuff said.

Miranda puts on a show of self-confidence to cover a massive lack of self-worth. (When Shepard comments that she was made to be perfect, Miranda refutes this statement, and claims that she makes mistakes like everyone else, and that when she fails, she doesn't fail in a small way). She is bitter and resentful that her father couldn't provide an 'ordinary' upbringing (with love and care) for her. Guess who else has that issue? TALI!

Agree with you about Jack, Liara is still a pretty awesome character (would have liked the relationship to feel more equal, and less like Shepard taking advantage of her).

Other than that, peace out.

[SandTrout]

My vote goes with the VS, for reasons posted in the first few replies of the thread. Being of the same species is a huge deal for most people, and having common experience is a powerful thing for communication. Both are also very stable people, and likely to be willing to make a family with Shepard, regardless of continued military service of both parties(note spacer Shepard).

Anyone calling Ashley a racist is intentionally misunderstanding what she says through the game, and that personality trait has no direct relevance to the 'realistic' nature of a possible Shep/Ash relationship.

[Dave of Canada]

Considering how much they force her down our throat at every moment including the comic, I'd say it's Shep/Liara.

[pf17456]

Liara and Shepard span the course of all three installments and offer the most content with regard to romance

[Ieldra]

Paragon-ish maleSheps: Ashley.
Renegade-ish maleSheps: Miranda.
Paragon-ish femSheps: Kaidan.
Renegade-ish femSheps: no idea.

[OBakaSama]

I'm of the opinion that 'Renegade-ish femSheps' might actually be well paired with Garrus, Ieldra.

[Lilunebrium]

Estelindis wrote...

Accordingly, choosing dialogue options that show Shepard is not interested in women (e.g. the dialogue with Liara where she is confused by Liara's romantic interest, given that Liara seems female) is enough to show that one's Shepard is not sexually attracted to women.  You can choose to focus on the Consort conversation all you like, but it's not the best case for defining Shepard's sexuality at all.

Made Nightwing wrote...

No. Not all Fem-Sheps are bi. If your Femshep is bi, she can accept Sha-ira's invitation. if she is not, she can politely turn her down, reaffirming her heterosexuality. Their is no canon Shepard.

Ryzaki wrote...

...are we seriously arguing that Shepard is canonically any sexuality? It didn't work for "predefined heterosexual" male Shepard and it's not gonna work for "predefined bisexual" female Shepard. 

Besides FemShep can tell Liara in ME1 she doesn't like females. Case closed.

There. Estelindis, Made Nightwing and Ryzaki have wonderfully summed up everything I was trying to get across.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 12 août 2011 - 01:50 .

[Lilunebrium]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Lilunebrium wrote...

Aha.
Then how can anyone consider that canon? It's a Renegade -option-, it's not canon, and it's not even close to metagaming if people ignore it. I play mostly Paragade, but have one Paragon Shepard as well. Should I consider her to be a psychopath just because she has the option to electrocute a Batarian pilot, set a Krogan warrior ablaze or shove a Merc through a window?

Renegade and Paragon options are hardly something to go by when considering a canon Shepard. If you do, then the canon Shepard is wildly schizophrenic.

Canon

Male Shepard
Soldier
Earth Born
Soul Survivor

Face it Canon Shep is more Renegade than Paragon. 

My comment was meant in reference to the sexuality discussion, not whether CanonShepard is more Renegade or Paragon. Rather poorly phrased, I might add, but there you have it.

[KenKenpachi]

Shepard and various bottles of hard drink.

[horacethegrey]

Well... my take on this:

MaleShep - I'd have to agree with the majority here and say Ashley. It seemed so natural for Shepard to fall for this tough as nails yet softspoken soldier lady, the romance just felt right. Liara's romance on the other hand didn't have much development and seemed to just happen. Not to say I don't find Liara adorable, and her character improved immensely after LOTSB. Despite what I said though, I always chose Liara in the end. Cause in the spirit of roleplaying a Space Captain, you always bang the alien chick.

Among the ME2 romances though, I'd say Miranda is the top choice, despite being way behind Ash in my estimation. Tali I don't find a good romance at all, in fact I'd say it's a little creepy, being that she's a lot younger and romancing her feels like hooking up with your kid sister. Jack and Shepard? I don't see that happening in a thousand years. I just don't see a soldier like Shepard romancing an unstable woman.

FemShep - Garrus. Yeah I know I know. Different species and DNA at that. But looking beyond the physical dissimilarities, I find Garrus and Shepard to be a believable pariing. For one, they're old friends who respect each other greatly, and it's not unusual for that respect and admiration to eventually become something more. They don't come right out and say they're in love, and seem to be taking it at their own pace, and that for me is realistic.

As for the rest? Kaidan seems like  a believable pairing, but still falls a little short in my eyes. Thane on the other hand is too much wish fulfillment for my taste, although I do like the romance. And Jacob? Well.... the less said, the better. 

[Caihn]

Shepard (paragade) and Miranda

[arne1234]

Well I'm going for the dynamic duo Tali and Garrus, why?

Forgive me if I'm wrong but they where about the only love intrests who where actually happy to see Shepard and the only characters who joinend up for Shepards cause.

The brief contact we had with the Virmire survivor was brief and they didn't send any e mails... even shepards mom sended a mail (if she was still alive).
Liara had better things to do, altough she cared enough to steal Shepards body she didn't really do any follow up she basicly just dumbed him at cerberus afther they promised they could bring hem back to live and she went her merry way.
Thane is and always will be dying he knows it she knows it, thats not a relation at best it's a prolongend experience.
Both Miranda and Jacob aren't bad but they are known and high ranked cerberus personel wether you are paragon or renegade you always stay faithfull to the allience so realisticly they go to jail.

And then you have Tali and Garrus the only 2 Characters who where actually happy to see you.

And offcourse there's Jack who would probably slit Shepards troat in his sleep yust to see if she could

[Xilizhra]

The dialogue trees in ME1 are awful, but Liara may be more realistic if we disregard those because there Shepard isn't breaking fraternization regulations, and the romance plot is by far the most fleshed out.

[elsaviour]

The Twilight God wrote...

elsaviour wrote...

I would have to go Liara for reasons already stated before (mshep paragon). But om a side note how many non-human races other than the asari can humans successfully breed with? I dont know a while lot about the lore in the universe or if any has been written about the topic.

Not counting the krogan femshep anime abomination

Sheapard can't breed with Liara either. Any child Liara has "with Shepard" will be as much Shepard's as any other other, regardless of race, in the universe (i.e. none of Shepard's human DNA).

Yeah, I get the whole asari genetic override deal and all, but one way or another there is some sort of offspring created. Nonetheless, my question still remains, is there any other indication of a possibility of creating another sentient being with a member of a different race?
It probably doesnt have to do much with the "romance" factor of the game, but it could relate to the purpose behind the romance other than the physical/mental attraction.

Simply curious.

[StellarMagic]

elsaviour wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

elsaviour wrote...

I would have to go Liara for reasons already stated before (mshep paragon). But om a side note how many non-human races other than the asari can humans successfully breed with? I dont know a while lot about the lore in the universe or if any has been written about the topic.

Not counting the krogan femshep anime abomination

Sheapard can't breed with Liara either. Any child Liara has "with Shepard" will be as much Shepard's as any other other, regardless of race, in the universe (i.e. none of Shepard's human DNA).

Yeah, I get the whole asari genetic override deal and all, but one way or another there is some sort of offspring created. Nonetheless, my question still remains, is there any other indication of a possibility of creating another sentient being with a member of a different race?
It probably doesnt have to do much with the "romance" factor of the game, but it could relate to the purpose behind the romance other than the physical/mental attraction.

Simply curious.

One thing I think that should be considered in the ME romances is emotional support.  That's why you've got that near breakdown scene in ME1 where Ash/Kaidan or Liara come to you after the ship is locked down.  I think that was an angle that wasn't played in ME2 and should have been.

It's also that angle that makes Garrus and Tali so tempting in ME2... they know Shepard, they may have even witnessed his break down, and yet they're there for him or her.

[Lilunebrium]

arne1234 wrote...
The brief contact we had with the Virmire survivor was brief and they didn't send any e mails... even shepards mom sended a mail (if she was still alive).

Not entirely correct. While nothing is heard from Ashley as far as I know, Kaidan does send an e-mail after the events at Horizon, even going so far as to state he's sorry for the way he acted. 

arne1234 wrote...
Thane is and always will be dying he knows it she knows it, thats not a relation at best it's a prolongend experience.
Both Miranda and Jacob aren't bad but they are known and high ranked cerberus personel wether you are paragon or renegade you always stay faithfull to the allience so realisticly they go to jail.

Just because Thane is dying, or Jacob and Miranda have according to you a realistic chance of ending up incarcerated, doesn't mean Shepard can't or shouldn't fall in love with them.

arne1234 wrote...
And offcourse there's Jack who would probably slit Shepards troat in his sleep yust to see if she could

Hardly. I've watched my brother play through a Paragon romance with Jack, only to find myself quite pleasantly surprised by how her character develops near the end. 
You don't even have to romance her to know Jack wouldn't do anything like that, unless Shepard somehow manages to thoroughly hurt her. I doubt she'd even consider doing such a thing to Miranda.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 12 août 2011 - 06:10 .

[Lilunebrium]

elsaviour wrote...
Nonetheless, my question still remains, is there any other indication of a possibility of creating another sentient being with a member of a different race?
It probably doesnt have to do much with the "romance" factor of the game, but it could relate to the purpose behind the romance other than the physical/mental attraction.

I don't know Mass Effect's writing team's view on this, but I suspect the chances of alien Shepard offspring, are about the same as a woman getting pregnant by a dog. 

Bar the Asari, of course.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 12 août 2011 - 06:14 .

[Garrus.Vakarian]

Most realistic for a male shepard is definitely Ashley.

[Garrus.Vakarian]

Seboist wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Seboist wrote...

FemshepXTIM would be the most realistic one by far. A woman of femshep's stature wouldn't be lowering herself to be with her underlings but with a top dog like TIM.

She would have to be more of a renegade, because TIM isn't really a good man.

For renegade femshep TIM is a great man. He's a human patriot with looks,wealth and power.

I'm glad your profile photo depicts a vorcha and not a turian, a salarian or an asari. 

[Sgt Stryker]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Lilunebrium wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Lilunebrium wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Aha.
Then how can anyone consider that canon? It's a Renegade -option-, it's not canon, and it's not even close to metagaming if people ignore it. I play mostly Paragade, but have one Paragon Shepard as well. Should I consider her to be a psychopath just because she has the option to electrocute a Batarian pilot, set a Krogan warrior ablaze or shove a Merc through a window?

Renegade and Paragon options are hardly something to go by when considering a canon Shepard. If you do, then the canon Shepard is wildly schizophrenic.

Canon

Male Shepard
Soldier
Earth Born
Soul Survivor

Face it Canon Shep is more Renegade than Paragon.

That's Default Shepard, not Canon Shepard. Canon Shepard is a human military officer with N7 qualification and  first human Spectre, who eliminated Saren, was allegedly killed by the Collectors, revived by Cerberus, destroyed the Collectors, and survived the Omega 4 Relay operation. Practically everything else is up in the air.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 12 août 2011 - 07:04 .

[Nynaeve]

I tend to agree with the opinion of pretty much no-one. Lonely Shepard. Duty bound. Hard as Nails.
Then again, my femshep hearts Liara forever, 'cos its a game and I'm allowed

[DarthCaine]

double post

Modifié par DarthCaine, 12 août 2011 - 10:15 .