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[ThePwener]

Religion, a pretty controversial topic right? Well Im here, once again, to bring it up.

Wathever you're an atheist, christian, buddhist, believe in aliens or really don't care either way, this may interest you.

Religion exists in ME in all corners of the galaxy. From the Turian's "warrior ghosts" and "believe wathever you want as long as you serve the goverment", to the Asari's goddesses, all the way to the widely atheist Salarians.

Humans are probably the most culturally diverse out of them all. I myself believe in God, but accept that evolution is a fact in the ME universe and that there is no God either, as there are other alien races that came after and before humanity which do not know of Jesus Christ.

What surprises me the most is the fact that this did not cause a riot by the Catholic Church and every other major God believing group in Earth. Every 50,000 - 100,000 years the Reapers descend upon the Milky Way to eradicate every trace of sentient life that evolves and achieves space flight. This alone proves that evolution is real in the ME universe.

In ME1, Shepard can be asked by Ashley Williams if he believes in God. Shepard can respond in a manner of ways, but what surprises me is that she only mentioned the grand expanse of space as her proof when alien life with they're own religions alone should be enough for atheist groups in Earth to refute the existance of a God in a massive scale  and cause everyone to doubt.

It also seems that every other religion is also full of bunk. The asari believe in Goddesses that seem to work a lot like the christian God, with the exception that they believe them to be female (strange since prior to meeting the Salarians in the Citadel, they knew only one sex, so the term "goddesses" would be incorrect, but enough time has passed for them to have changed it to suit them better).

What is most interesting is the direct reference made to the religion by Liara's mother, Benezia. Just before dying, she falls and says "there is no light.... they said there would be a light" which is obviously BW hinting to us that they're religion is total bunk. 

The Salarians on the other hand seem to be open minded, but reserve more to being science and logic minded. There is a religion among the Salarians that is deemed a cult by the alien Council that worships a goddes and there's also the whole thing with the Geth running experiments on space religions and carving a face on a damn planet. They are also hinted to believe in reincarnation by Liara T'soni.

The Turians on the other hand believe in "spirits" that inspire the living to act in good or bad ways, but the spirits themselves do not have morality. 
 
Taken from the ME wiki - In the past, turians believed that titans strode across Palaven, reaching for the heavens. They worshiped these deities and communicated with them at a structure called Temple Palaven. The temple was tended to by a religious order called the Valluvian Priests, who wear special purple robes which obscure their forms. In order for turians to join this order, they had to be considered worthy enough through some action. When the turians spread out from Palaven and discovered other life among the stars, however, they sealed Temple Palaven because they no longer needed legends to prod them upward. With the temple abandoned, eventually the Valluvian Priests fell into legend.

The batarians believe in the afterlife, but apperantly not in a specific god or superior entity. The Hanar worship the "Enkindlers" who they claim brought them up. The Enkindlers being the Protheans, but we know better. The Volus are never stated to believe in anything, but many claim they worship an entity called "cash" or "creds".

The Quarians believe in the wisdom of they're anscestors, prior to the Morning War, they created personality imprints of they're dead so that they're wisdom would live on and lead the new generations. These databanks were destroyed in the Geth rebellions, some Quarians believing it to be punishment for they're hubris in making themselves immortal.

Taken from the ME wiki - Tali sometimes exclaims "Keelah!" when shocked; in Mass Effect 2 many quarians offer the phrase "Keelah se'lai" as an apparent benediction or religious oath. This word may refer to a figure in quarian religion, or it may be part of their reverence toward their ancestors. It is often said in the same vein as "peace be with you" and resembles the Islamic الله أكبر (transliteration: Allāhu Akbar, English: 'God is Greatest'), the Christian Deus Vult (Latin for 'God Wills It'), or the Hebraic "ברוך אתה אדוני" (transliteration: Baruch Atta Adonai, English: 'Blessed are you, God').


The Elcor aren't specified by a religion either, even though they fit the bill very well.

Taken from the ME wiki - Prehistoric elcor travelled across Dekuuna in large tribal groups. These groups were likely led by the oldest and most experienced elcor. This may have later developed into the elcor culture of Elders, whose wisdom could keep the tribe safe provided they followed the correct guidance.

Like the Quarias, ancestry and wisdom seem to be an important part of Elcor culture.

The Drell seem to be the most religious race in current ME times. Thane Krios's entire line of thought and actions seem to be influenced in one way or another by they're religion.

Taken from the ME wiki - Drell are deeply religious, believing that they have souls separate from their bodies. They see death as a departure from the body, and they also state that a person's body and soul form a Whole. When the soul is traumatized or otherwise disrupted, or the body is ill or injured, a person is no longer Whole. They also believe that their body can be directed as a separate entity from themselves, in the case of Thane Krios taking no responsibility for his numerous killings, which were ordered by the hanar. The drell religion is also polytheistic, with the drell having multiple gods whom they pray to in varying situations. This religion included at least three gods: Amonkira, Lord of Hunters; Arashu, Goddess of Motherhood and Protection; and Kalahira, Goddess of Oceans and Afterlife.

Many of the older traditions of the drell have begun to die out. The younger generations no longer believe the old ways of their ancestors can help them now, with so many other ways to interpret one's place in the universe. Many drell have embraced the hanar Enkindlers or the asari philosophies.

The krogan aren't strong believers in anything, but they exhibit a ritualistic or tribal way of life that brings belief as part of the territory.

Taken from the ME wiki - Krogan are not shown to have strong religious beliefs. The closest they come is to establish ritualistic burial grounds called the Hollows, where the skulls of their ancestors are displayed to remind them of "where we all come from, and where we all go." The Hollows are as sacred as any krogan place can be, and violence there is forbidden. Several krogan also mention a place called "the Void" which seems to be the krogan version of the afterlife.

Either they don't want to share they're beliefs with aliens or aren't strongly tied to them as the krogan as mostly spread out and few seem to want to live in Tuchanka, thus they're believes are apparently diminishing.

The Geth (yes, they are in this list) are AI, yet they worshipped Sovereign, believing it to be the apex of independent AI evolution and they're own destiny to imput themselves into a Reaper as well. They created shrines that resemble a Reaper's tentacles and bowed to them. This however seems strange as AIs don't follow faith but logic.


That sums up the religion in the ME universe. Take it as you will and if you do comment, don't create a religious war here and just calmly discuss and evaluate. after all, this is all just for fun.

[therussianviking]

I agree, and I think we will see many races turning to their faiths to get them through the Reaper war.

[100k]

I wish they'd followed up on religion in ME2. In ME1 you could decide whether you believed in god, never really thought about religion, or were a flat out atheist. They should really have kept up with that. It could've tied in with Shepard coping with his/her death/revival.

[RPGamer13]

As long as it delves deeper into the Hanar religion and stays away from real world or human parallel religions, I could accept it.

[DxWill10]

Someone post the Sten picutre.

Seriously though, unless God is ME3's deus ex machina, I have a hard time seeing it become anything major in terms of story or characterization.

[Praetor Knight]

DxWill10 wrote...

Someone post the Sten picutre.

I'm fine with that kinda stuff sprinkled in a bit.

Darn posting thingy problems.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 09 août 2011 - 01:46 .

[ThePwener]

100k wrote...

They should really have kept up with that. It could've tied in with Shepard coping with his/her death/revival.

Thanks for bringing it up, I forgot to add it. It is strange that a Shepard who says he believes in God in ME1 does not question his faith when he is brought back to life. He doesn't even seem bothered by the whole thing. BW (in my opinion) messed up with the Lazarus Project in more then one way.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

[ThePwener]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I feel it's a part of why people tend to dislike Ashley, but that's just my opinion.

actually, it's because most see her as a racist ignorant. I see her as a racist myself. But this isn't a character discussion. On topic, this thread can stay civil, humans can surprise you now and then.

It's all for fun, no need to throw hatred and discord around.

[Dhiro]

I'm all for learning about the religion of new species, actually.

[shnellegaming]

I think its a great thing for the codex, and should be kept in mind when the characters are being fleshed out.  And actually some of the codex does touch on religion. 

But I don't think it should take priority over story elements for characters say about family, history, relationships (romance or otherwise) and so forth unless religion plays a huge role in their life like it did Thane.

But I would love it if they fleshed out more of the major religions for the other races in the codex.  I think they have done a great job so far.

Modifié par shnellegaming, 09 août 2011 - 01:51 .

[Seboist]

I'd like to see religion amongst humans covered more.

Both my femsheps tell Ashley they believe in God and I role play one of them as a lutheran christian and the other as a shi'ite muslim. That and I imagine them praying before heading off to Ilos and the Collector base.

Oh and they also pay for that one Hanar's evangelical permit so he can preach his religion back in ME1.

[marshalleck]

There's nothing particularly interesting about religion. Ignore it.

[Abisco]

I like it being added in, to show that there are some (not all) who do care about religion within the universe... it adds depth to characters for me, as was the case with Ashley for me when I found out she believed in God, which made me understand her a little bit more and see where she was coming from. I'm not saying it should be HUMONGOUS, but I wouldn't mind seeing one or two characters showing their faith, because quite frankly, it just feels more realistic.

[Archereon]

Wait, there's widespread religion in Mass Effect? I got the impression that humans were mostly atheists with some believers like Williams peppered around, enough for the Catholic Church to still exist at least; Asari, Turians, and Salarians just paid lip service to whatever vestiges of faith remained in their society; Reapers and Geth don't believe in higher powers (though the former seem to consider themselves gods); And nobody gives a damn about what the Batarians believe.

[ThePwener]

shnellegaming wrote...

I think its a great thing for the codex, and should be kept in mind when the characters are being fleshed out.  And actually some of the codex does touch on religion. 

But I don't think it should take priority over story elements for characters say about family, history, relationships (romance or otherwise) and so forth unless religion plays a huge role in their life like it did Thane.

But I would love it if they fleshed out more of the major religions for the other races in the codex.  I think they have done a great job so far.

You have to keep in mind that Thane's entire dialogs overshadow the Drell religion. Everything he says is tied to it in some way.

[Golden Owl]

ThePwener wrote...

100k wrote...

They should really have kept up with that. It could've tied in with Shepard coping with his/her death/revival.

Thanks for bringing it up, I forgot to add it. It is strange that a Shepard who says he believes in God in ME1 does not question his faith when he is brought back to life. He doesn't even seem bothered by the whole thing. BW (in my opinion) messed up with the Lazarus Project in more then one way.

Though how could BW implement this?....There are too many schools of belief among us humans as it is, BW couldn't cover enough bases....example: I have no belief related to any Religon of the Books, nor am I an Athiest, apparently by commonly given views, I am an Animist...there are 1000's of beliefs/views out there, probably 100,000's...how does BW cover such diversity without insulting someone?

Modifié par Golden Owl, 09 août 2011 - 01:57 .

[ThePwener]

Archereon wrote...

Wait, there's widespread religion in Mass Effect? I got the impression that humans were mostly atheists with some believers like Williams peppered around, enough for the Catholic Church to still exist at least; Asari, Turians, and Salarians just paid lip service to whatever vestiges of faith remained in their society; Reapers and Geth don't believe in higher powers (though the former seem to consider themselves gods); And nobody gives a damn about what the Batarians believe.

It's hard to see, but the Catholic Church seemed to have become even more powerful after a century. Enough for the Illusive Man to order the assassination of the Pope so a Terra Firma inclined one would take power.

[Seboist]

Archereon wrote...

Wait, there's widespread religion in Mass Effect? I got the impression that humans were mostly atheists with some believers like Williams peppered around, enough for the Catholic Church to still exist at least; Asari, Turians, and Salarians just paid lip service to whatever vestiges of faith remained in their society; Reapers and Geth don't believe in higher powers (though the former seem to consider themselves gods); And nobody gives a damn about what the Batarians believe.

Geth have clear religious inclanations. The "heretics" worship the Reapers and were seen praying in a makeshift temple on Feros in ME1. The fact that the "heretics" are even called "heretics" by Legion's Geth instead of say rebel or seperatist is another indicator.

[AlphaDormante]

ThePwener wrote...

100k wrote...

They should really have kept up with that. It could've tied in with Shepard coping with his/her death/revival.

Thanks for bringing it up, I forgot to add it. It is strange that a Shepard who says he believes in God in ME1 does not question his faith when he is brought back to life. He doesn't even seem bothered by the whole thing. BW (in my opinion) messed up with the Lazarus Project in more then one way.

In some veins of Christianity it's accepted that souls don't ascend to heaven immediately at death, but rather all at once at the Rapture. There's variations and different interpretations for everyone, of course, but it's something to consider.

[ThePwener]

lightsnow13 wrote...

(The thing about Benezia...it wasn't BW saying "there is no religion" it was more of Benezia going down the wrong path and because of it she didn't get into her "heaven")

Yes, but with so many different religions, what makes her's more valid then the Turian's or Salarian's? That's the way I see it, but this thread is meant for all interpretations.

[Kaiser Shepard]

What we need is the socio-political structure playing a bigger role, be that with or without religion.

DAO pulled this off amazingly with the Landsmeet sequence the entire game led up to, as well as the isolated case of Orzammar politics. While DAA followed up on this accordingly, letting the player govern a small province and engage in its politics, the full sequel seemed to ignore this aspect entirely; there certainly were politics at play, but to my great disappointment Hawke never got to play any part in it.

I can only hope ME3's politics will come close to equally the greatness that was the Landsmeet.