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[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

That guy has religious beliefs beyond "SCIETIST SALARIAN!" Seriously, I doubt Mording believes in any religion. he's too "scientific" for it. Thane on the other hand....

Did you pay any attention to his loyalty mission at all?

[Davie McG]

ThePwener wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

cant we talk about mordins religious belief, for example?

That guy has religious beliefs beyond "SCIETIST SALARIAN!" Seriously, I doubt Mording believes in any religion. he's too "scientific" for it. Thane on the other hand....

Perhaps not, but I think he did try exploring religions if I remember correctly, but I can;t remember him stating a belief in any of them. But he liked the reincarnation based religions.

[Boiny Bunny]

ThePwener wrote...

Im not the one whose's going to hell for all eternity. If you actually bothered to know you'd see that everything the bible says in the book of Apocalypse is happening a little more each day.

Seriously, get with the program. Satan's foremost lie is convincing you he doesn't exist. It's working right now I can tell you that.

Might I ask, wherever did you get this idea from?

I mean - sure, if you like, take some 'miracles' to prove the existance of God him(?)self.

Where do Satan and Hell fit into it?  A few men wrote a book a few thousand years ago speaking of such things - and looking at their description, it seems likely that the simply stole the idea from classic Norse Mythology (see Hel).  Is it the book and nothing else, that convinces you of such things?

[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

Mordin, I think, is a key point with regards to how Religion is portrayed in ME. He is an exceptionally rational person, yet still he needs some sort of support system in order to accept some of the horrendous things that he has experienced. He does not forsake his scientific research, or even his general personal philosophy, for religious dogma.

You mean the horrendous things he has done to other sapient creatures. Genetic sterilization, vivisection, who knows what all was involved.

He's wracked with guilt and understandably, needs a crutch to absolve him of it. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 04:10 .

[Paula Deen]

Religion already plays a big background role. From Mordin's LM, to Ashley's character, to the entire Justicar group and Liara's explanation of Siara (or whatever it's called). And for the record, they say "Goddess" because that's the closest English translation--we don't have a gender neutral form of the word. Oh, and don't forget the hanar and Enkindler religion, as well as the drell (and Thane's character).

Please, keep the religion where it belongs in a series like this--private, relevant to specific characters and groups--not a focus of the game.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

I do agree that it would be nice to see some more of the alien religions like the Asari and Turians(haven't really heard about much of the faith of the latter) But it shouldn't be a huge focus just a little sometihng to add to the backstory of the races and make it more interesting. And yes, I hated Ash because of her subtle racism(the officer on the bridge in ME1 was the same and I disliked him as well). Religion is more important in DA due to it's setting but in ME, society in general has moved past old supersitions.

[SandTrout]

Drop it, Boiny. We're intentionally killing that line of discussion.

[ThePwener]

Erani wrote...

OK. Now you have clearly crossed the line. You could do with more compassion and less self-righteousness. 

Pfft, if you tought I was one of those nice Christians, then you're wrong. You don't care about salvation? Fine, I tried, nothing more I can do.

[LaWoods]

Okay First: I'm a humanist. That means I'm an independent thinker. The super natural and religion dogma don't have any say in what I think and do.
Now: Religion needs to be publicly restrained. I'd be kicked from a dinner session for not saying grace, I waited politely, but apparently not sharing someones beliefs means, walk home and make your own dinner. That's just not right. We need to have restraints. Sure, pray before you go to bed, do your thing. But don't try to convert me and preach with a bullhorn about it.
Think about what you're doing, and how it affects others. I don't tell people god isn't real for praying to me, I just smile and nod my head. As for Mass Effect: I think it should stay the way it is.

[SandTrout]

As for not having a gender neutral version of the God, we do. It's god.

The only reason that God is typically portrayed as masculine is because of patriarchal European culture. It would be more accurate to say that English lacks a masculine form of the word.

[BlueMagitek]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Well that didn't take too long to spin wildly out of control. ~_^

I recommend reading the thread while listening to the Suicide Mission track on the ME2 soundtrack; it's actually quite fitting.
:innocent:

It's kind of like watching bumper boats if you replaced the boats with steamrollers.

Ha, I'm listening to Meatloaf in the background.  Why? Because awesome. :happy:


I'm surprised it wasn't locked yet, I mean heaven forbid we actually have a discussion when the TC was completely reasonable in his original post.

As I was saying, the Lazarus project could have easily served as a way to discover not only the party's view of it & Shepard's reaction to it, but also to explore how different species felt about it.  Ask Samara what Justicar/Asari traditionally think, how she feels about it, she asks you how you felt about being brought back to life and you can give a response.  Cut & Paste with differing degrees of interest & emotion for each character.

Except Zaeed, because he's already been there and done that.

[pablodurando]

Davie McG wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

cant we talk about mordins religious belief, for example?

That guy has religious beliefs beyond "SCIETIST SALARIAN!" Seriously, I doubt Mording believes in any religion. he's too "scientific" for it. Thane on the other hand....

Perhaps not, but I think he did try exploring religions if I remember correctly, but I can;t remember him stating a belief in any of them. But he liked the reincarnation based religions.

Not reincarnation, all he said was that their had to be more after death, signaling some sort of supernatural place that is comparable to the Christian heaven.

[marshalleck]

ThePwener wrote...

Erani wrote...

OK. Now you have clearly crossed the line. You could do with more compassion and less self-righteousness. 

Pfft, if you tought I was one of those nice Christians, then you're wrong. You don't care about salvation? Fine, I tried, nothing more I can do.

Most Christians tend to show their true colors when put to the question. Your response was not unique or unexpected.

[yogolol]

I hate to say it, but after reading the "you`ll be spending enternity in hell" line I think we`ve all been trolled and I feel embarrassed.

[Soahfreako]

This thread should've been closed a long time ago. There'll always be people raging about that fantastic piece of fiction people like to call the bible. I personally don't care whether or not it's in the game as long as it's not forced down my throat.

[Whatever42]

Paula Deen wrote...

Religion already plays a big background role. From Mordin's LM, to Ashley's character, to the entire Justicar group and Liara's explanation of Siara (or whatever it's called). And for the record, they say "Goddess" because that's the closest English translation--we don't have a gender neutral form of the word. Oh, and don't forget the hanar and Enkindler religion, as well as the drell (and Thane's character).

Very true. Add in Mordin's exploration of religion and the exploration of krogan spirituality. There are also religious themes in the story: the ressurection of Sheppard and the ascenion of humanity. Never actually thought about how much religion was on display in the story.

[Anacronian Stryx]

SandTrout wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

That guy has religious beliefs beyond "SCIETIST SALARIAN!" Seriously, I doubt Mording believes in any religion. he's too "scientific" for it. Thane on the other hand....

Did you pay any attention to his loyalty mission at all?

Doubt it, Mordin is a scientist and therefore inaudible to ThePwener.

[ThePwener]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Where do Satan and Hell fit into it?  A few men wrote a book a few thousand years ago speaking of such things - and looking at their description, it seems likely that the simply stole the idea from classic Norse Mythology (see Hel).  Is it the book and nothing else, that convinces you of such things?

I hate to continue the topic, but I'll clarify. Mythology came AFTET God and hell. For all we know, mythology took FROM christianity.

[Erani]

ThePwener wrote...

Erani wrote...

OK. Now you have clearly crossed the line. You could do with more compassion and less self-righteousness. 

Pfft, if you tought I was one of those nice Christians, then you're wrong. You don't care about salvation? Fine, I tried, nothing more I can do.

I don't think anything. I'm Buddhist hon', so no I don't care about "salvation" or whatever. I care about people who are alive and suffering not about some potential suffering in some afterlife. I do hope you find inner peace and grow less hateful, however. 

[Seboist]

yogolol wrote...

I hate to say it, but after reading the "you`ll be spending enternity in hell" line I think we`ve all been trolled and I feel embarrassed.

Exactly my thoughts.

[Davie McG]

LaWoods wrote...

Okay First: I'm a humanist. That means I'm an independent thinker. The super natural and religion dogma don't have any say in what I think and do.
Now: Religion needs to be publicly restrained. I'd be kicked from a dinner session for not saying grace, I waited politely, but apparently not sharing someones beliefs means, walk home and make your own dinner. That's just not right. We need to have restraints. Sure, pray before you go to bed, do your thing. But don't try to convert me and preach with a bullhorn about it.
Think about what you're doing, and how it affects others. I don't tell people god isn't real for praying to me, I just smile and nod my head. As for Mass Effect: I think it should stay the way it is.

End this.

It's offensive and demeaning to all concerned, that includes everyone else continuing this conversation, stay on topic or refrain from commenting at all.

[Whatever42]

yogolol wrote...

I hate to say it, but after reading the "you`ll be spending enternity in hell" line I think we`ve all been trolled and I feel embarrassed.

No you haven't. Pwner is serious, just a little too in earnest. Don't be too hard on him, he's a good guy. He's just frustrated. We just need to avoid these topics. 

[ThePwener]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

That guy has religious beliefs beyond "SCIETIST SALARIAN!" Seriously, I doubt Mording believes in any religion. he's too "scientific" for it. Thane on the other hand....

Did you pay any attention to his loyalty mission at all?

Doubt it, Mordin is a scientist and therefore inaudible to ThePwener.

On c'mon! I like Mordin. He's quirky and funny. He frankly doesn't believe in anything, but then again, most Salarians don't either [seeSalarian religion on first page].

[ThePwener]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

yogolol wrote...

I hate to say it, but after reading the "you`ll be spending enternity in hell" line I think we`ve all been trolled and I feel embarrassed.

No you haven't. Pwner is serious, just a little too in earnest. Don't be too hard on him, he's a good guy. He's just frustrated. We just need to avoid these topics. 

Yeah, I get a little too excited sometimes. Sorry if I offended anyone (probably did).