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[100k]

So, what do you guys think the asari philosophies, which are apparently popular, entail?

[SandTrout]

The reason that Asari Philosophies are popular is because people want to shack up with Asari. IMO, they honestly have not brought anything significant to the table.

[Whatever42]

Javier edited his post.

Ok, here is a question. If they were to explore the religion and spirituality of one culture more deeply, which would it be? Personally, I would like the see more of the krogan. That conversation with the shaman was fascinating. And how that faith will evolve with the genophage and wrex is very, very interesting.

[ThePwener]

marshalleck wrote...

This thread's going to be boring now and run out of steam, admit it.

Probably, but we you can try. I have to go to bed now (damn college). See ya everyone!

[Davie McG]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Javier edited his post.

Ok, here is a question. If they were to explore the religion and spirituality of one culture more deeply, which would it be? Personally, I would like the see more of the krogan. That conversation with the shaman was fascinating. And how that faith will evolve with the genophage and wrex is very, very interesting.

I think so, maybe even including some religious discussion when talking with the female would be interesting.

[Whatever42]

100k wrote...

So, what do you guys think the asari philosophies, which are apparently popular, entail?

Confusing.

The Asari come across as pretty empathic and generally touchy-feely. Probably something to do with their telepathic nature.

But then they all become commandos. And have these warrior monks with a merciless code. And that police woman was going to risk pretty certain death to follow orders. 

I bet that Goddess is pretty badass. The Asari may come across as soft but these are pretty hard people.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Javier edited his post.

Ok, here is a question. If they were to explore the religion and spirituality of one culture more deeply, which would it be? Personally, I would like the see more of the krogan. That conversation with the shaman was fascinating. And how that faith will evolve with the genophage and wrex is very, very interesting.

Also the Drell whom seems to be in a religious upheaval at this time as Thane mentions many of the younger Drell seem to cast away their old faith in favor for the Asari teachings or the Hanar doctrine.

[SandTrout]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Ok, here is a question. If they were to explore the religion and spirituality of one culture more deeply, which would it be? Personally, I would like the see more of the krogan. That conversation with the shaman was fascinating. And how that faith will evolve with the genophage and wrex is very, very interesting.

Oh, I'm definitely in favor of deeper insight into Krogan religious practices. Their culture embraces violence where most others reject it. It would be interesting to see what kind of spiritual philosophies would spring out of that.

[Davie McG]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Javier edited his post.

Ok, here is a question. If they were to explore the religion and spirituality of one culture more deeply, which would it be? Personally, I would like the see more of the krogan. That conversation with the shaman was fascinating. And how that faith will evolve with the genophage and wrex is very, very interesting.

Also the Drell whom seems to be in a religious upheaval at this time as Thane mentions many of the younger Drell seem to cast away their old faith in favor for the Asari teachings or the Hanar doctrine.

A drell born again asari or enkindler follower would be pretty interesting, perhaps that guy the shadow broker tortured. He seems like a prime example of someone about to be a born again something.

[SandTrout]

Feron? if he's born-again anything, my guess would be serial killer. A person doesn't get tortured in isolation for two years and come out with an intact mind.

Modifié par SandTrout, 09 août 2011 - 04:46 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

What about the Yahg? I bet most of them are apatheists,to them if it were possible to prove that God exists,their beliefs and behavior would not change...

[Davie McG]

SandTrout wrote...

Feron? if he's born-again anything, my guess would be serial killer. A person doesn't get tortured in isolation for two years and come out with an intact mind.

Ha that would be a good quest, especially if you have Liara with you, tracking down a drell psycho that turned out to be Feron would be pretty good.

It would throw in a bit of the investigation stuff you got in the Shadow Broker DLC. would be a nice nod to the people who played the dlc to include the sherlocky bit.

[lovgreno]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Javier edited his post.

Ok, here is a question. If they were to explore the religion and spirituality of one culture more deeply, which would it be? Personally, I would like the see more of the krogan. That conversation with the shaman was fascinating. And how that faith will evolve with the genophage and wrex is very, very interesting.

Good point.

I would also like to hear what the presidium preacher in ME1 had to say about the enkindlers. How did the hanar make a religion out of a few old ruins? Or is it more to it? Do the hanar understand a lot more about the protheans than the other races do?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Davie McG wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Feron? if he's born-again anything, my guess would be serial killer. A person doesn't get tortured in isolation for two years and come out with an intact mind.

Ha that would be a good quest, especially if you have Liara with you, tracking down a drell psycho that turned out to be Feron would be pretty good.

It would throw in a bit of the investigation stuff you got in the Shadow Broker DLC. would be a nice nod to the people who played the dlc to include the sherlocky bit.

Actually if psycho Feron began targeting the agents who used to work for the old shadow broker (and now Liara) it could be a fairly good story line and with good motivation for shep to partake in since he/she really needs Intel.

[Davie McG]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Feron? if he's born-again anything, my guess would be serial killer. A person doesn't get tortured in isolation for two years and come out with an intact mind.

Ha that would be a good quest, especially if you have Liara with you, tracking down a drell psycho that turned out to be Feron would be pretty good.

It would throw in a bit of the investigation stuff you got in the Shadow Broker DLC. would be a nice nod to the people who played the dlc to include the sherlocky bit.

Actually if psycho Feron began targeting the agents who used to work for the old shadow broker (and now Liara) it could be a fairly good story line and with good motivation for shep to partake in since he/she really needs Intel.

Didn't think of that, I would pay for that if it was DLC could be so awesome. There better be a car chase in ME3 a la shadow broker, that was seriously good.

could have Feron comitted to some kind of religious institute to tie in with that.

anyways i'm off to bed my insomniatic behavior has led me to be up till 6am.

[AlphaDormante]

Davie McG wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Feron? if he's born-again anything, my guess would be serial killer. A person doesn't get tortured in isolation for two years and come out with an intact mind.

Ha that would be a good quest, especially if you have Liara with you, tracking down a drell psycho that turned out to be Feron would be pretty good.

It would throw in a bit of the investigation stuff you got in the Shadow Broker DLC. would be a nice nod to the people who played the dlc to include the sherlocky bit.

Actually if psycho Feron began targeting the agents who used to work for the old shadow broker (and now Liara) it could be a fairly good story line and with good motivation for shep to partake in since he/she really needs Intel.

Didn't think of that, I would pay for that if it was DLC could be so awesome. There better be a car chase in ME3 a la shadow broker, that was seriously good.

could have Feron comitted to some kind of religious institute to tie in with that.

anyways i'm off to bed my insomniatic behavior has led me to be up till 6am.

While this idea is pretty interesting and I like it, remember that drell are able to slip back into old memories any time they want. There's a chance that Feron used this tactic to avoid a lot of the mental trauma. In that vein, I wonder if there's some kind of side effect for abusing that ability?

I'd also like to open up the squad a bit and see their religious insights. We've seen Mordin's and Ashley's, but I'm interested in seeing more. Samara, for example, and how her code reflects/influences her beliefs.

[Radahldo]

SandTrout wrote...

The reason that Asari Philosophies are popular is because people want to shack up with Asari. IMO, they honestly have not brought anything significant to the table.

It seems to be based off karma, which really appeals to people irl regardless of their personal religion.Like I said earlier it seems based on how we as sentinet bengs usually consider 'myself'; my experience, my personality and etc.  All that is called the 'false ego'.  This belief kinda contradicts the massive political power they have and conciously sustain, and that they are basically ageless.

There is also one planet mentioned in me1 that is named after one of their opera singers because its the same hue of blue as her skin.
Thats beyond egocentric. Beings who think on that scale, its just really not congruous with karma. I think its just a lack of thought on part of the writers.

I think from what samara says about morinth getting people to worship her and give her sacrifices indicates to asari really at sometime having something more bizarre in their past.

Krogan im not sure of. Didnt the  patriarch mentions pits filled with krogan babies who eat eachother or something? beings that can reproduce on that scale are bound to have some strange ideas about the value of an individual, souls and etc; but, after the genophage, the individual is necessarily very valued.  I think it would make more sense for them to have the asaris religion.


Salarians were mentioned as having a belief resembling buddhism, but I dont think thats gonna be followed up ever.

ive always gotten the impression whatever quarians believe isnt very important.   More emphasis on  focus on rituals of a social nature. Speciffically judging how your actions effect the collective, now, rather than being judged soley in regards to yourself, by some higher power,  who determines your admittance into an afterlife or any blessings. Tali says keelah a lot but it seems mostly colloquial, and they are so set in believing the geth have no souls or anythin.

Modifié par Radahldo, 09 août 2011 - 05:39 .

[Erani]

100k wrote...

So, what do you guys think the asari philosophies, which are apparently popular, entail?

I think their main belief system is called Siari, and the main point is that everything is connected. All life forms in the universe are interconnected and form part of a unified whole. This greater whole is understood as a sort of huge consciousness and when beings die, their energy gets added to the universe and later used when something is born/comes to exist.  This philosophy is very popular because when the asari first left Thessia and found out they could "meld" with pretty much anything, that was seen as a validation to the idea that all life forms must share great similarities and be in essence equal.
This philosophy is an example of pantheism.

Edit: The Quarians seem to have some sort of respect for their ancestors and believe they should honor and find winsdom in their ancestor's actions but I don't think they believe in anything divine/supernatural or in the existence of an afterlife. 

Modifié par Erani, 09 août 2011 - 06:00 .

[Sisterofshane]

The PLC wrote...

If Bioware are going to give Shepard religious lines in the game, they better make it optional.

That's the way they did it in ME -- you can have a conversation with Ash aboard the normandy about her belief in God, and there is a very large range of things you can say to her, from that you also believe to calling her pretty much crazy.  I don't think Bioware would ever force religion down someone's throat.

[Gibb_Shepard]

It's always a good idea to leave real life religion out of games.

[ubermensch007]

ThePwener wrote...

Religion, a pretty controversial topic right? Well Im here, once again, to bring it up.

Wathever you're an atheist, christian, buddhist, believe in aliens or really don't care either way, this may interest you.

Religion exists in ME in all corners of the galaxy. From the Turian's "warrior ghosts" and "believe wathever you want as long as you serve the goverment", to the Asari's goddesses, all the way to the widely atheist Salarians.

Humans are probably the most culturally diverse out of them all. I myself believe in God, but accept that evolution is a fact in the ME universe and that there is no God either, as there are other alien races that came after and before humanity which do not know of Jesus Christ.

What surprises me the most is the fact that this did not cause a riot by the Catholic Church and every other major God believing group in Earth. Every 50,000 - 100,000 years the Reapers descend upon the Milky Way to eradicate every trace of sentient life that evolves and achieves space flight. This alone proves that evolution is real in the ME universe.

In ME1, Shepard can be asked by Ashley Williams if he believes in God. Shepard can respond in a manner of ways, but what surprises me is that she only mentioned the grand expanse of space as her proof when alien life with they're own religions alone should be enough for atheist groups in Earth to refute the existance of a God in a massive scale  and cause everyone to doubt.

It also seems that every other religion is also full of bunk. The asari believe in Goddesses that seem to work a lot like the christian God, with the exception that they believe them to be female (strange since prior to meeting the Salarians in the Citadel, they knew only one sex, so the term "goddesses" would be incorrect, but enough time has passed for them to have changed it to suit them better).

What is most interesting is the direct reference made to the religion by Liara's mother, Benezia. Just before dying, she falls and says "there is no light.... they said there would be a light" which is obviously BW hinting to us that they're religion is total bunk. 

The Salarians on the other hand seem to be open minded, but reserve more to being science and logic minded. There is a religion among the Salarians that is deemed a cult by the alien Council that worships a goddes and there's also the whole thing with the Geth running experiments on space religions and carving a face on a damn planet. They are also hinted to believe in reincarnation by Liara T'soni.

The Turians on the other hand believe in "spirits" that inspire the living to act in good or bad ways, but the spirits themselves do not have morality. 
 
Taken from the ME wiki - In the past, turians believed that titans strode across Palaven, reaching for the heavens. They worshiped these deities and communicated with them at a structure called Temple Palaven. The temple was tended to by a religious order called the Valluvian Priests, who wear special purple robes which obscure their forms. In order for turians to join this order, they had to be considered worthy enough through some action. When the turians spread out from Palaven and discovered other life among the stars, however, they sealed Temple Palaven because they no longer needed legends to prod them upward. With the temple abandoned, eventually the Valluvian Priests fell into legend.

The batarians believe in the afterlife, but apperantly not in a specific god or superior entity. The Hanar worship the "Enkindlers" who they claim brought them up. The Enkindlers being the Protheans, but we know better. The Volus are never stated to believe in anything, but many claim they worship an entity called "cash" or "creds".

The Quarians believe in the wisdom of they're anscestors, prior to the Morning War, they created personality imprints of they're dead so that they're wisdom would live on and lead the new generations. These databanks were destroyed in the Geth rebellions, some Quarians believing it to be punishment for they're hubris in making themselves immortal.

Taken from the ME wiki - Tali sometimes exclaims "Keelah!" when shocked; in Mass Effect 2 many quarians offer the phrase "Keelah se'lai" as an apparent benediction or religious oath. This word may refer to a figure in quarian religion, or it may be part of their reverence toward their ancestors. It is often said in the same vein as "peace be with you" and resembles the Islamic الله أكبر (transliteration: Allāhu Akbar, English: 'God is Greatest'), the Christian Deus Vult (Latin for 'God Wills It'), or the Hebraic "ברוך אתה אדוני" (transliteration: Baruch Atta Adonai, English: 'Blessed are you, God').


The Elcor aren't specified by a religion either, even though they fit the bill very well.

Taken from the ME wiki - Prehistoric elcor travelled across Dekuuna in large tribal groups. These groups were likely led by the oldest and most experienced elcor. This may have later developed into the elcor culture of Elders, whose wisdom could keep the tribe safe provided they followed the correct guidance.

Like the Quarias, ancestry and wisdom seem to be an important part of Elcor culture.

The Drell seem to be the most religious race in current ME times. Thane Krios's entire line of thought and actions seem to be influenced in one way or another by they're religion.

Taken from the ME wiki - Drell are deeply religious, believing that they have souls separate from their bodies. They see death as a departure from the body, and they also state that a person's body and soul form a Whole. When the soul is traumatized or otherwise disrupted, or the body is ill or injured, a person is no longer Whole. They also believe that their body can be directed as a separate entity from themselves, in the case of Thane Krios taking no responsibility for his numerous killings, which were ordered by the hanar. The drell religion is also polytheistic, with the drell having multiple gods whom they pray to in varying situations. This religion included at least three gods: Amonkira, Lord of Hunters; Arashu, Goddess of Motherhood and Protection; and Kalahira, Goddess of Oceans and Afterlife.

Many of the older traditions of the drell have begun to die out. The younger generations no longer believe the old ways of their ancestors can help them now, with so many other ways to interpret one's place in the universe. Many drell have embraced the hanar Enkindlers or the asari philosophies.

The krogan aren't strong believers in anything, but they exhibit a ritualistic or tribal way of life that brings belief as part of the territory.

Taken from the ME wiki - Krogan are not shown to have strong religious beliefs. The closest they come is to establish ritualistic burial grounds called the Hollows, where the skulls of their ancestors are displayed to remind them of "where we all come from, and where we all go." The Hollows are as sacred as any krogan place can be, and violence there is forbidden. Several krogan also mention a place called "the Void" which seems to be the krogan version of the afterlife.

Either they don't want to share they're beliefs with aliens or aren't strongly tied to them as the krogan as mostly spread out and few seem to want to live in Tuchanka, thus they're believes are apparently diminishing.

The Geth (yes, they are in this list) are AI, yet they worshipped Sovereign, believing it to be the apex of independent AI evolution and they're own destiny to imput themselves into a Reaper as well. They created shrines that resemble a Reaper's tentacles and bowed to them. This however seems strange as AIs don't follow faith but logic.


That sums up the religion in the ME universe. Take it as you will and if you do comment, don't create a religious war here and just calmly discuss and evaluate. after all, this is all just for fun.

Goddamn It (No pun intended ) The Pwener, You beat me to the punch.I was going to create a Thread somewhat like this.But now I'm just going to have to make a Poll Version.

Meh...

Edit: Here's a link to my Poll: Shepard prays to God in Mass Effect 3 !?!

Modifié par ubermensch007, 09 août 2011 - 06:20 .

[Radahldo]

Edit: The Quarians seem to have some sort of respect for their ancestors
and believe they should honor and find winsdom in their ancestor's
actions but I don't think they believe in anything divine/supernatural
or in the existence of an afterlife.

I think  codex also mentioned VI they have that is a facsimilie of their personality, but isnt considered a sort of immortality. That would be interesting to learn more about.