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#326
Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

string3r wrote...

No. Mass Effect isn't Dragon Age.

That's a good thing.
The Templars would go ape-sh*t over Biotics being allowed to walk around free...Like they're people!!! The nerve of some Societies!

Templar: The Order dictates!
Asari Commando: Have you come across an Asari Commando, few humans have... I will flay you... with my mind!
Templar: *lifts his shield up and prepares to cleave the head off the Asari* Apostate! I shall s...
*Asari Commando pulls Templar into air then Throws him into nearby wall, his head cracking open as it hits it before slumping to the floor dead* :wizard:

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake

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Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

string3r wrote...

No. Mass Effect isn't Dragon Age.

That's a good thing.
The Templars would go ape-sh*t over Biotics being allowed to walk around free...Like they're people!!! The nerve of some Societies!

Templar: The Order dictates!
Asari Commando: Have you come across an Asari Commando, few humans have... I will flay you... with my mind!
Templar: *lifts his shield up and prepares to cleave the head off the Asari* Apostate! I shall s...
*Asari Commando pulls Templar into air then Throws him into nearby wall, his head cracking open as it hits it before slumping to the floor dead* :wizard:

Apostate Mage: I think I'm going to like it here...

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As a Catholic i've learned that poeople express their religion through their culture so species in the ME universe would also do the same there may be temples devoted to the goddess on Thessia or tombs of great military leaders on Palavan that Shepard may venture through should be a good way of exporeing the relgions and cultures of the other species even more

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What might be entertaining is to see the kind of religious sects which will protesting in the street when we finally do discover alien life.  I suspect that you could base a very cool set of antagonists in the ME universe off of such groups, too.  Entire groups that believe that all aliens are demons, come to corrupt the souls of humanity.  That the Reaper invasion was a punishment from God on the scale of the flood.  The group shouting about the Asari's "homosexual agenda".  I'd love to see groups like this, just because you *know*, no matter how benign the religious beliefs of 99% of the human population in the ME universe, they've got to exist.

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I wonder how well the Hanar's Enkindler religion would get along with anti-evolution groups.  Now, *that* could be an interesting plot thread.

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No it shouldn't

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Religion should be way down the list of things in me3, seriously almost at the botttom with multiplayer and fishing minigames. I want a satisfying conclusion to my favorite game trilogy, not a 20 hour heavily armored sermon.

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SandTrout wrote...

@whatever,

I consider myself a reasonably smart and scientifically minded person, but astrophysics and quantum physics both make my brain hurt.


As someone with a degree in Physics with a focus in Astronomy, allow me to assure you, that means you're doing it right.

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This shouldnt be a big deal.


Yeah people may be questioning their faith in the crisis and the odd sentance could be included.  Other then that I dont want religion to play a bigger role in the game. 

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There are much more things to focus in ME3 story-line than religion.

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CrazyCatDude wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

@whatever,

I consider myself a reasonably smart and scientifically minded person, but astrophysics and quantum physics both make my brain hurt.


As someone with a degree in Physics with a focus in Astronomy, allow me to assure you, that means you're doing it right.


:lol:

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Some references would be fine like Shep is in a refuge camp and sees people praying and others screaming THE END IS NIGH!

Also how did the Catholic Church react to aliens? They still exist and must have power still as TIM had a pope assassinated and replaced.

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legion999 wrote...

Some references would be fine like Shep is in a refuge camp and sees people praying and others screaming THE END IS NIGH!

Also how did the Catholic Church react to aliens? They still exist and must have power still as TIM had a pope assassinated and replaced.


I think I read somewhere (or made it up in my head) that that discovery only strengthened the faith, showing that god created more than just Humans.

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SandTrout wrote...

Mordin, I think, is a key point with regards to how Religion is portrayed in ME. He is an exceptionally rational person, yet still he needs some sort of support system in order to accept some of the horrendous things that he has experienced. He does not forsake his scientific research, or even his general personal philosophy, for religious dogma.

This seems to be a pattern that a lot of human cultures are progessing along, so it seems reasonable to me that other cultures would retain religion without it becoming the dominant force in their society.


Actually, as far as this goes, this is one of the more realistic points of characterization I've seen in ME.  Some of the most deeply religious people I've ever met were my physics and astronomy professors when I was working on my degree.

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Personally i find that bringing religion into a game like this will only give an extreme backslash. Of course it would be cool to have more info on alien relegions, but if we make Shepard religious of any kind, people could and would be offended, as they'd feel that their religion would be disregarded.

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Didn't Grissom say in Revelation that most religions took a big hit after they discovered aliens? Well apart from Zen Buddhism that's probably doing better than ever

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Humans are probably the most culturally diverse out of them all. I myself believe in God, but accept that evolution is a fact in the ME universe and that there is no God either, as there are other alien races that came after and before humanity which do not know of Jesus Christ.

What surprises me the most is the fact that this did not cause a riot by the Catholic Church and every other major God believing group in Earth. Every 50,000 - 100,000 years the Reapers descend upon the Milky Way to eradicate every trace of sentient life that evolves and achieves space flight. This alone proves that evolution is real in the ME universe.

That's because the mainstream religious organizations realize that it's silly to try and "not believe in" evolution. You would be hard-pressed to find another theory in biology which is so well supported by evidence as well as all-encompassing. You might as well argue against the sun rising in the East. Some organizations may not have formally declared that they have no problem with it, and some others may know that they will never be able to do so, but they know they'd just look silly if they spoke out against it.

Also note that Catholicism is actually quite intellectual for a Christian denomination - you will find more debate and less emphatic affirmation of belief there than in most protestant denominations. Nowadays, the only problem the Catholic Church has with evolution is the idea that it's an unplanned, random process. As I see it, they have accepted evolution as far as they can without compromising the foundations of their faith. Pope John Paul II. said in 1996: "Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical [Humani Generis by Pius XII in 1950], new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis".

In ME1, Shepard can be asked by Ashley Williams if he believes in God. Shepard can respond in a manner of ways, but what surprises me is that she only mentioned the grand expanse of space as her proof when alien life with they're own religions alone should be enough for atheist groups in Earth to refute the existance of a God in a massive scale  and cause everyone to doubt.

Atheist groups would not need alien life and alien religions to refute God's existence. The famous catchphrase "We're all atheists - I just believe in one god less than you" is valid even if restricted to Earth. Those religions that lost followers after First Contact, that were those who claim that man is the crown of creation - a claim profoundly refuted by seeing cultured and intelligent non-humans, and even worse, nonhumans with quite similar value systems. Revelation religions who claim human exclusivity like Christianity and Islam, they have problems. Others like Buddhism and Hinduism, not so much. They can integrate the non-humans into their worldview without any problem.

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As for your main point: no, I do not think that religion should play a bigger part in ME. I'm quite content that it has only a medium presence - still quite high for an SF universe btw.. I find the development away from strongly-held religious beliefs which was described for Earth quite convincing in the face of the discoveries made and the cultural and technological development. Religious beliefs will continue to exist, but they are likely to be more low-key and more encompassing, less restricted to a single culture and less likely to outright challenge scientific discoveries.

In ME1, Shepard can make a statement about her/his religious beliefs or the absence thereof. It's good to have that opportunity to flesh our Shepards out, but I do not want to be confronted with it more than I already have. The prophet on the presidium, Thane's beliefs, the geth's "religious impulse", Mordin's aesthetic appreciation of reincarnation. Then the various biblical references in certain loyalty missions.

It is quite enough. I do not want more.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 août 2011 - 11:27 .


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Given the number of times we hear volus talk about "how the winds are blowing", or "a shift in the winds" and of course everyone's favorite biotic god makes a couple of references to "a Great Wind" (I'm not sure if that should be capitalized),I'm tempted to think that wind or air relate to at least one volus religion.

A belief in the Divine finding expression through being able to read the future "on the winds" would seem to dovetail nicely with the volus' mercantile/tribal culture.

Modifié par General User, 09 août 2011 - 12:00 .


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Siari seems like an interesting thing to delve more into. It is the MEverse's version of the Force.

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Oh and good job in turning this into a modern belief debate, everyone.

I am sure that a storywriter would really care whether you find blindly believing in the existence of a creator, or blindly believing in the lack thereof as more or less valid.

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Let's keep religion out of Mass Effect, please.

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Better not, since real life religion debates on Internet NEVER end well.

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's keep religion out of Mass Effect, please.

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You were saying?

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Phaedon wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's keep religion out of Mass Effect, please.

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You were saying?


Good thing I never watched Star Trek.