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[Ieldra]

General User wrote...
It's not about looking for any specific "help from on High" in any given situation. What we're really talking about are two fundamentally different ways of looking at oneself and ones place in the world. People of faith see God in everything; and people who aren't, don't.

Which is a big part of the reason why I think religion should be dealt with only in the most vague and general terms. It may be that the best way to add more religion to Mass Effect, is to leave some of it out.

Exactly.

Also, as long as people think that religion deserves special treatment just because it's religion and that "respecting" a religion means never saying anything bad about it, it's better to keep it out of our games as much as possible. It's good as flavor for a culture, whether human or non-human, but we definitely don't need more than that.

[Feanor_II]

I'm in for anything that adds value to the game universe's lore and I would like to know more about culture and beliefs of the different races in the game. This is one thing, but I don't know HOW and WHY religions should take big role in the game.

[l DryIce l]

Feanor_II wrote...

I'm in for anything that adds value to the game universe's lore and I would like to know more about culture and beliefs of the different races in the game. This is one thing, but I don't know HOW and WHY religions should take big role in the game.

Yeah. I sort of see as something that's interesting to read about in the codex, but I don't see why they 'd bring it up much anywhere else. They don't even mention governments that much (outside the codex).

[bobdooly]

I think they should add religion as characteristics to groups/people, and not make a huge deal about it. Like paint in a house instead of a wall.

[Radahldo]

I think the lack of acknowledgment of religion directly impacted the resurrection storyline.

I mean its a huge deal to die/be frozen/whatever and be revived. Not being able to say anything at all of a religious nature was immersion breaking for me. It wouldve been a nice spiritual conversation with Thane and/or Mordin.

Why name it Lazarus project and then avoid religion?

[Radahldo]

Must we always live in fear of fox news

[Ieldra]

Radahldo wrote...
I think the lack of acknowledgment of religion directly impacted the resurrection storyline.

I mean its a huge deal to die/be frozen/whatever and be revived. Not being able to say anything at all of a religious nature was immersion breaking for me. It wouldve been a nice spiritual conversation with Thane and/or Mordin.

Why name it Lazarus project and then avoid religion?

Agreed. In a general sense I don't want religion to be more present in the game, but here it would've been absolutely appropriate to bring it up. Even necessary, considering that players often project their religion into their protagonists. Even for the non.religious it would have been worth at least a comment with an existential undertone. I recall that I expected such an option when playing for the first time. That ME2 ignored that is a serious flaw - and such a wasted opportunity. 

@Mash:
People buckling before extremist news networks isn't a good example to make. Too much of that and the extremists will gain sovereignity of interpretation. You don't want that. This policy of anticipatory obedience I find troubling. Although I see more of that in the ME2 romance scenes than in not dealing with religion.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 août 2011 - 03:45 .

[Chris Priestly]

We do have religion in our games, but only in the context of how it fits into the game world. For example, in Dragon Age there is discussion about the Maker, the Chantry the battles between a controlling church and mages, etc. It is an important part of the Dragon Age setting so it is germain to the game.

We have touched gently on religion in the Mass Effect series as well (remember the worshiping geth in ME1?), but in general, it is not germain to the game. Whether Shepard is of a religion or not or other characters or whatever is just not important to the game in the same manner as in Dragon Age. It isn't so much a matter of worrying about annoying a group (like Christians, Muslims, Fox News, parents, etc) as it is that it just isn't an important part of the series.

[marshalleck]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Well, i find the idea of killing and resurrecting Shepard rather awkward in the first place. The lack of any implications (religious and otherwise) is just an icing on this questionable cake.

it will make more sense in ME3 when it's revealed Shepard is being compromised by his Reaper-tech implants and the 48 hours he spent dreaming of Cthulhu around Object Rho.

[Bad King]

I personally think that the Hanar religion is underrated- they predicted that Protheans were behind the attacks on human colonies in ME2 (mentioned in one of Emily Wong's news vids), and that it was triggered by the activation of the beacon on eden prime. And they were right! Well, sort of...

[Chino 281]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We do have religion in our games, but only in the context of how it fits into the game world. For example, in Dragon Age there is discussion about the Maker, the Chantry the battles between a controlling church and mages, etc. It is an important part of the Dragon Age setting so it is germain to the game.

We have touched gently on religion in the Mass Effect series as well (remember the worshiping geth in ME1?), but in general, it is not germain to the game. Whether Shepard is of a religion or not or other characters or whatever is just not important to the game in the same manner as in Dragon Age. It isn't so much a matter of worrying about annoying a group (like Christians, Muslims, Fox News, parents, etc) as it is that it just isn't an important part of the series.

I loved how you referred to Faux News as a religious sect. It is so approriate.

[Ieldra]

Chris Priestly wrote...
We have touched gently on religion in the Mass Effect series as well (remember the worshiping geth in ME1?), but in general, it is not germain to the game. Whether Shepard is of a religion or not or other characters or whatever is just not important to the game in the same manner as in Dragon Age. It isn't so much a matter of worrying about annoying a group (like Christians, Muslims, Fox News, parents, etc) as it is that it just isn't an important part of the series.

And I am fine with that. But you must admit that it would have been appropriate to gently touch on the subject after Shepard realized he'd been brought back from the dead (as an option in dialogue, of course - I wouldn't want to be forced into it). Ignoring the existential dimension of this scientific achievement just doesn't feel right.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 août 2011 - 03:50 .

[Bad King]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Well, i find the idea of killing and resurrecting Shepard rather awkward in the first place. The lack of any implications (religious and otherwise) is just an icing on this questionable cake.

Following his death, Shepard went to Valhalla for 2 years where Odin revealed to him how to defeat the reapers. That's why Cerberus resurrected him, to find out what he'd learned and to use it against the reapers in Mass Effect 3.

[FERMi27]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
We have touched gently on religion in the Mass Effect series as well (remember the worshiping geth in ME1?), but in general, it is not germain to the game. Whether Shepard is of a religion or not or other characters or whatever is just not important to the game in the same manner as in Dragon Age. It isn't so much a matter of worrying about annoying a group (like Christians, Muslims, Fox News, parents, etc) as it is that it just isn't an important part of the series.

And I am fine with that. But you must admit that it would have been appropriate to gently touch on the subject after Shepard realized he'd been brought back from the dead (as an option in dialogue, of course - I wouldn't want to be forced into it). Ignoring the existential dimension of this scientific achievement just doesn't feel right.

Indeed. Much love, brah, for your correct post.

[Captain_Obvious]

No more religion in the game than there has already been. I'm fine with vague references, but I don't play video games to learn or debate dogma. I get enough of that IRL.

[fallen_fate]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

No more religion in the game than there has already been. I'm fine with vague references, but I don't play video games to learn or debate dogma. I get enough of that IRL.

Agreed.

I find it interesting that many people have been complaining about the new "gay content" being added because it is contrary to their mindset, but have no problem suggesting that religious content be added even though it is contrary to other people's mindset. 

[Radahldo]

We have touched gently on religion in the Mass Effect series as well (remember the worshiping geth in ME1?), but in general, it is not germain to the game. Whether Shepard is of a religion or not or other characters or whatever is just not important to the game in the same manner as in Dragon Age. It isn't so much a matter of worrying about annoying a group (like Christians, Muslims, Fox News, parents, etc) as it is that it just isn't an important part of the series.

thank you for clarification. I assume the same goes for me3? I can respect that, but I still feel it wss a missed oppetunity with me2

When I first played my thought process was (not that mine is particular unique or important)

-Oh I died... Yay I can change my class to vanguard

- hmmm.. Still no explanations

- ah, a control chip; well,this is a bit much to swallow

And then it was never brought up again.

With thane, its just egregious, the oppertunity is right there.

I dont feel it wouldve been appropiate to say, for instance, to say something religious on Jacks loyalty mission. I can see how that would bother people.

I dont want it all over the game, but with Thane and with Mordin Shepard couldve been potrayed as more knowledgble as to what they was saying and it wouldve been nice. It wouldve been in character for thane to say something regarding souls

[jtav]

The lack of Shepard having anything meaningful to say about Lazarus was the moment he stopped being my character. Shepard is unreflective and uncurious and forced to be so. That is not the Shepard I created in ME. So now he's just sort of a marionette I move around to get the results I want.

[PrinceLionheart]

jtav wrote...

The lack of Shepard having anything meaningful to say about Lazarus was the moment he stopped being my character. Shepard is unreflective and uncurious and forced to be so. That is not the Shepard I created in ME. So now he's just sort of a marionette I move around to get the results I want.

Agreed, biggest flaw of ME2 by far. Shepard pretty much lacked any character depth and felt like he was just there to react to everyone else.

[100k]

FERMi27 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
We have touched gently on religion in the Mass Effect series as well (remember the worshiping geth in ME1?), but in general, it is not germain to the game. Whether Shepard is of a religion or not or other characters or whatever is just not important to the game in the same manner as in Dragon Age. It isn't so much a matter of worrying about annoying a group (like Christians, Muslims, Fox News, parents, etc) as it is that it just isn't an important part of the series.

And I am fine with that. But you must admit that it would have been appropriate to gently touch on the subject after Shepard realized he'd been brought back from the dead (as an option in dialogue, of course - I wouldn't want to be forced into it). Ignoring the existential dimension of this scientific achievement just doesn't feel right.

Indeed. Much love, brah, for your correct post.

Agreed. Good post. Especially after Shepard touched upon religion in the first game. Even the vaguest of questions regarding Shepard's resurrection would have been appropriate -- and I don't think that you guys should worry about Fox News or parents. This is an M game -- meaning that you should tackle thematic elements, without being concerned about the consequences. Especially when many M games typically get flamed for stuff non-religion based.

For instance, religion plays a huge role in Assassin's Creed -- but I doubt Fox News cares about that. They're too busy staring down R* Games.

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[Erani]

@jtav and @Prince

First and foremost, it is YOUR Shepard. Just because he/she doesn't say anything aloud or to a companion does not change her/his feelings regarding the dead/now alive issue. One must fill in the blanks, so to speak, as it is a role playing game and you can role-play your Shepard however you want.
Also, depending on her/his faith, maybe Shepard needs more time to come to terms with such an important event. Sometimes when something "view-shattering" happens, one must work through it internally.
A very different example would be, for example a non-believer Shepard has no reaction because well, there's no conflict. His/her reaction would be "oh I guess technology is pretty advanced" and move on.

[mauro2222]

Dhiro wrote...

I'm all for learning about the religion of new species, actually.

Me too, if they add more culture I will be happy

[Lotion Soronarr]

ThePwener wrote...


Humans are probably the most culturally diverse out of them all. I myself believe in God, but accept that evolution is a fact in the ME universe and that there is no God either, as there are other alien races that came after and before humanity which do not know of Jesus Christ.

Why the heck would that mean God doesn't exist???