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[javierabegazo]

I don't expect this to stay civil too long....Hope you guys prove me wrong

[Archereon]

ThePwener wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Wait, there's widespread religion in Mass Effect? I got the impression that humans were mostly atheists with some believers like Williams peppered around, enough for the Catholic Church to still exist at least; Asari, Turians, and Salarians just paid lip service to whatever vestiges of faith remained in their society; Reapers and Geth don't believe in higher powers (though the former seem to consider themselves gods); And nobody gives a damn about what the Batarians believe.

It's hard to see, but the Catholic Church seemed to have become even more powerful after a century. Enough for the Illusive Man to order the assassination of the Pope so a Terra Firma inclined one would take power.

Well, the impression I got was that religion was not particularly important in the Mass Effect universe.  Out of the races that are religious enough for it to be of any importance, 2 are dead or nearly extinct (Batarians (Reaped) and Drell) 2 worship ancient aliens (the heretic geth and Hanar), and the quarians aren't all that devout.

[ThePwener]

javierabegazo wrote...

I don't expect this to stay civil too long....Hope you guys prove me wrong

The first one I made a few months ago went very well. That's the only reason I was inclined to make another.

[marshalleck]

ThePwener wrote...

lightsnow13 wrote...

(The thing about Benezia...it wasn't BW saying "there is no religion" it was more of Benezia going down the wrong path and because of it she didn't get into her "heaven")

Yes, but with so many different religions, what makes her's more valid then the Turian's or Salarian's? That's the way I see it, but this thread is meant for all interpretations.

all are equally invalid, as evidenced by the fact they all tend to claim to be the one true path

[laudable11]

Why should religion be in Mass Effect...realism. Most humans believe.

[Eamon696]

In all reality, I don't think religion would even be that important in the ME universe anymore, so I don't think it will be adressed that much in ME3. By the time humanity and the other species took to the stars an discover the Mass relays, religion was probably in the minority of the people.

[Golden Owl]

ThePwener wrote...

lightsnow13 wrote...

(The thing about Benezia...it wasn't BW saying "there is no religion" it was more of Benezia going down the wrong path and because of it she didn't get into her "heaven")

Yes, but with so many different religions, what makes her's more valid then the Turian's or Salarian's? That's the way I see it, but this thread is meant for all interpretations.

What's more the point is we are all individuals looking at the same picture...like watching a movie, playing a game, etc...Each of us interprets the same picture in a huge array of different ways, that doesn't make anyone more right or wrong, it's just a matter of indivdual/cultral perspective.

[ThePwener]

Archereon wrote...

Well, the impression I got was that religion was not particularly important in the Mass Effect universe.  Out of the races that are religious enough for it to be of any importance, 2 are dead or nearly extinct (Batarians (Reaped) and Drell) 2 worship ancient aliens (the heretic geth and Hanar), and the quarians aren't all that devout.

Religions isn't really a big influence in ME, but it is there, so we may as well use it. BW has bothered to implement it in different, sometimes indirect ways, so maybe it'll play a bigger role in ME in the future. Turian religion did play a role in the (horrible) TIM comic [see ancient Turian religion].

[Archereon]

laudable11 wrote...

Why should religion be in Mass Effect...realism. Most humans believe.

Nope.  Not in the Mass Effect universe, as evidenced by the fact that Ashley seems to think others find her faith "weird."

Ironically, human religions are among the more plausible religions in the ME universe, though most plausible still means 'severely discredited, with only a shread of ambiguity left."  The Hanar and (Heretic) Geth religions are both bunk (being based on ancient aliens), and all other religions aren't even fleshed out enough to judge beyond the basic facts we've been given about them.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I think religion is one of the subjects that mass effect does very well, Some of the races seem somewhat religious and some don't - The Hanar seems very religious and so does the Drell(well at least the one Drell).

You had the choice of your shep is religious or not and i think this is pretty much as far as Bioware can go without beginning to step on peoples toes.

[ThePwener]

Golden Owl wrote...

What's more the point is we are all individuals looking at the same picture...like watching a movie, playing a game, etc...Each of us interprets the same picture in a huge array of different ways, that doesn't make anyone more right or wrong, it's just a matter of indivdual/cultral perspective.

I see what you mean, but they can't all be right. I personally think (in the E universe) that everyone is wrong. There have been too many races in the supposedly millions of years that the reapers have existed.

[Boiny Bunny]

The very fact that Shepard was brought back to life should throw out all concepts of religion - as it immediately denies the existance of a soul - supposing instead that everything that Shepard is, is contained in the physical body. Fix the body, and anybody can come back to life.

Most sci-fi stories manage to make a number of jabs at religion - which may or may not be appropriate given the context.

No doubt, if sentient alien life is ever discovered, the church will find a way to re-interpret their books and scrolls so that it somehow still fits into their belief system.

It's also worth mentioning, that the Geth and Hanar do worship, but are not religious.  The beings that they worship have been (in the ME universe) factually proven to exist, and influenced the development of their species directly, leaving evidence of this tampering.  There is no element of 'faith' whatsoever for either of them.  They simply recognise certain beings as vastly powerful, and choose to worship those figures - perhaps in a somewhat similar manner to a dog and its human master.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 09 août 2011 - 02:12 .

[100k]

javierabegazo wrote...

I don't expect this to stay civil too long....Hope you guys prove me wrong

Modifié par 100k, 09 août 2011 - 02:09 .

[Davie McG]

I'm a Roman Catholic and our church doesn't really have much of a problem with us embracing new scientific theories (yes I know evolution isn't new to science).

I went to a Catholic high school and was taught evolution and all the sciences. Sex education not so much, since that's not in the Catechism but that's the only thing we weren't allowed to be taught as far as the national curriculum goes.

The Catechism if you were wondering, that's basically a big book of what to believe as a Catholic O.K'd by the pope.

I would be interested to hear about alien religion, especially considering we will be visiting home worlds. Perhaps even intervene and have to get two sectarian groups to work together.

I'm also fascinated by Greek mythology and the idea of multiple God's. I love how their God's seem to have personalities and personal history. Would be brilliant to see a bit of that and learn a bit more with the Asari and Drell religions.

[Golden Owl]

Archereon wrote...

laudable11 wrote...

Why should religion be in Mass Effect...realism. Most humans believe.

Nope.  Not in the Mass Effect universe, as evidenced by the fact that Ashley seems to think others find her faith "weird."

Ironically, human religions are among the more plausible religions in the ME universe, though most plausible still means 'severely discredited, with only a shread of ambiguity left."  The Hanar and (Heretic) Geth religions are both bunk (being based on ancient aliens), and all other religions aren't even fleshed out enough to judge beyond the basic facts we've been given about them.

If you consider the fact that every single one of these religous creeds bought up have all been based on various current and older beliefs found on Earth, we in fact do have more than enough information to form at least some kind of basic understanding/awareness.....BW can only do so much, they have made very liberal use of lesser known/recognized spiritualities on Earth.

[Eamon696]

^^^LOL!

[laudable11]

Archereon wrote...

laudable11 wrote...

Why should religion be in Mass Effect...realism. Most humans believe.

Nope.  Not in the Mass Effect universe, as evidenced by the fact that Ashley seems to think others find her faith "weird."

Ironically, human religions are among the more plausible religions in the ME universe, though most plausible still means 'severely discredited, with only a shread of ambiguity left."  The Hanar and (Heretic) Geth religions are both bunk (being based on ancient aliens), and all other religions aren't even fleshed out enough to judge beyond the basic facts we've been given about them.

I meant presently

Also, I didnt see any evidence of a lack of faith by humans in the conversation Ash had with Shepard.

imho..

[Boiny Bunny]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

The very fact that Shepard was brought back to life should throw out all concepts of religion - as it immediately denies the existance of a soul - supposing instead that everything that Shepard is, is contained in the physical body. Fix the body, and anybody can come back to life.

Most sci-fi stories manage to make a number of jabs at religion - which may or may not be appropriate given the context.

No doubt, if sentient alien life is ever discovered, the church will find a way to re-interpret their books and scrolls so that it somehow still fits into their belief system.

Not true at all. I know people here today that literally died, their body was dead. And they came back to life and they're not empty shells.

Ironically, one of them is a pastor.

Yes, 'died' in a medical sense, meaning they flatlined for a number of seconds or minutes.  Not, dead for 2 years.  Most Earth religions would have you believe that once you die, your soul leaves the body and travels to another plane of existance (perhaps Heaven, perhaps another body if you believe in reincarnation - I'm not going to go into this sub-topic any further).  The point is, the religious explanation for people dying and being brought back (within minutes) is simply that their soul has not yet left the body, or is near enough by to be drawn back to it.

That is clearly not the case with Shepard.

[Golden Owl]

ThePwener wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

What's more the point is we are all individuals looking at the same picture...like watching a movie, playing a game, etc...Each of us interprets the same picture in a huge array of different ways, that doesn't make anyone more right or wrong, it's just a matter of indivdual/cultral perspective.

I see what you mean, but they can't all be right. I personally think (in the E universe) that everyone is wrong. There have been too many races in the supposedly millions of years that the reapers have existed.

Who's to stand in judgement.

I don't know Pwener, I don't think the existance of the Reapers can really define or answer in that universe whether there is a higher force or not, how do you come to that conclusion?

[100k]

Golden Owl wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

100k wrote...

They should really have kept up with that. It could've tied in with Shepard coping with his/her death/revival.

Thanks for bringing it up, I forgot to add it. It is strange that a Shepard who says he believes in God in ME1 does not question his faith when he is brought back to life. He doesn't even seem bothered by the whole thing. BW (in my opinion) messed up with the Lazarus Project in more then one way.

Though how could BW implement this?....There are too many schools of belief among us humans as it is, BW couldn't cover enough bases....example: I have no belief related to any Religon of the Books, nor am I an Athiest, apparently by commonly given views, I am an Animist...there are 1000's of beliefs/views out there, probably 100,000's...how does BW cover such diversity without insulting someone?

Well, in ME1, Shepard was highly vague (for good reason considering the vast player audience) on whether he/she is christian or otherwise. She just says that there is a god.

So, in relation to his/her death, Shepard should have maybe two different conversations (with two different characters). Six options each time, each more of a general question than an over arching answer. Hence, the player can still maintain their belief system in their character, while not having Shepard respond in a way that is out of sync with their belief.

Was I reincarnated? -- this could hint that maybe Shepard is hindu/buddhist, OR a christian either with a fairly loose biblical interpretation (like most christians), or a christian/muslim questioning his/her original faith.

I'm sure you guys can think of some other better examples.

[marshalleck]

Golden Owl wrote...

Who's to stand in judgement.

The rational individual.

[Golden Owl]

marshalleck wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Who's to stand in judgement.

The rational individual.

Thats all a matter of individual perspective....who's rational and who isn't.

[KingNothing125]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What we need is the socio-political structure playing a bigger role, be that with or without religion.

DAO pulled this off amazingly with the Landsmeet sequence the entire game led up to, as well as the isolated case of Orzammar politics. While DAA followed up on this accordingly, letting the player govern a small province and engage in its politics, the full sequel seemed to ignore this aspect entirely; there certainly were politics at play, but to my great disappointment Hawke never got to play any part in it.

I can only hope ME3's politics will come close to equally the greatness that was the Landsmeet.

I think that Shep's trial might end up being a little bit like the Landsmeet (or I hope it is, I should say).