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[ThePwener]

Golden Owl wrote...

Who's to stand in judgement.

I don't know Pwener, I don't think the existance of the Reapers can really define or answer in that universe whether there is a higher force or not, how do you come to that conclusion?

Well I am conflicted by my own beliefs (Christian raised) so that may be blinding my train of thought no matter how open minded I try to be. I just see it as VERY unlikely that there is a higher force in the ME universe and wouldn't intervene in such events. My God intervenes daily, so like I said, Im conflicted.

[Boiny Bunny]

A reasonable definition of the word 'rational':

Based on or in accordance with reason or logic

Does 'faith' fall into this defintion?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

No thanks.
Interesting idea though.

[Kaiser Shepard]

marshalleck wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Who's to stand in judgement.

The rational individual.

And there we go...

KingNothing125 wrote...

I think that Shep's trial might end up being a little bit like the Landsmeet (or I hope it is, I should say).

I'm hoping it will, but I doubt that will be the case, seeing how it's the opening sequence.

[marshalleck]

Golden Owl wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Who's to stand in judgement.

The rational individual.

Thats all a matter of individual perspective....who's rational and who isn't.

Oh yay, nihilistic degenerate subjectivism. 

I guess anything goes, because as long as someone believes it, it's as valid as anything and everything else.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 02:27 .

[ThePwener]

100k wrote...

So, in relation to his/her death, Shepard should have maybe two different conversations (with two different characters). Six options each time, each more of a general question than an over arching answer. Hence, the player can still maintain their belief system in their character, while not having Shepard respond in a way that is out of sync with their belief.

Was I reincarnated? -- this could hint that maybe Shepard is hindu/buddhist, OR a christian either with a fairly loose biblical interpretation (like most christians), or a christian/muslim questioning his/her original faith.

Shepard jokes with jack that he is "technically undead". What does that tell you? I got the feeling he doesn't even want to know.

[ThePwener]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh yay, nihilistic degenerate subjectivism. 

i guess anything goes, because as long as someone believes it, it's valid.

Hey, Im a nihilist, and there's nothing wrong with it. Have you looked out you're window? Humanity ain't
exactly the model of benevolence.

Modifié par ThePwener, 09 août 2011 - 02:29 .

[Golden Owl]

100k wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

100k wrote...

They should really have kept up with that. It could've tied in with Shepard coping with his/her death/revival.

Thanks for bringing it up, I forgot to add it. It is strange that a Shepard who says he believes in God in ME1 does not question his faith when he is brought back to life. He doesn't even seem bothered by the whole thing. BW (in my opinion) messed up with the Lazarus Project in more then one way.

Though how could BW implement this?....There are too many schools of belief among us humans as it is, BW couldn't cover enough bases....example: I have no belief related to any Religon of the Books, nor am I an Athiest, apparently by commonly given views, I am an Animist...there are 1000's of beliefs/views out there, probably 100,000's...how does BW cover such diversity without insulting someone?

Well, in ME1, Shepard was highly vague (for good reason considering the vast player audience) on whether he/she is christian or otherwise. She just says that there is a god.

So, in relation to his/her death, Shepard should have maybe two different conversations (with two different characters). Six options each time, each more of a general question than an over arching answer. Hence, the player can still maintain their belief system in their character, while not having Shepard respond in a way that is out of sync with their belief.

Was I reincarnated? -- this could hint that maybe Shepard is hindu/buddhist, OR a christian either with a fairly loose biblical interpretation (like most christians), or a christian/muslim questioning his/her original faith.

I'm sure you guys can think of some other better examples.

Tis' why I always answer Ash with the top right 'charter' dialog....'God' is very limiting by the way, there's not that many monothesist religons, really only mainstream (Religons of the Book).

As for Sheps death queries, I would like myself to see that expanded upon....something very major happened to him/her....it's not something even the strongest man could just brush off....an emotional reaction at least....As for questions about death itself, what happened, what he may have experienced or come out believing, etc....maybe it could be simplified to over reach many death perceptions, BW has done some absolutley stellar work in regards to philosophies, perceptions, etc....if they can, I would like to see it happen, otherwise stay with emotional reaction only.

[marshalleck]

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh yay, nihilistic degenerate subjectivism. 

i guess anything goes, because as long as someone believes it, it's valid.

Hey, Im a nihilist, and there's nothing wrong with it. Have you looked out you're window? Humanity ain't
exactly the model of benevolence.

Probably because so many people are tolerant of the relativist tripe.

Which is an amusing statement in itself, now that I think of it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 02:32 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh yay, nihilistic degenerate subjectivism. 

i guess anything goes, because as long as someone believes it, it's valid.

Hey, Im a nihilist, and there's nothing wrong with it. Have you looked out you're window? Humanity ain't
exactly the model of benevolence.

We're a lot better than we used to be.
That's really our saving grace our ability to improve ourselves.

[habitat 67]

We belives in nahthing...

[ThePwener]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

We're a lot better than we used to be.
That's really our saving grace our ability to improve ourselves.

actually, it's worse. Just that now it's legal and organized. Just because you can't see it openly doesn't mean it's gone. Humanity always degrades more and more as time passes.

[marshalleck]

Because what is legal and organized?

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 02:36 .

[Golden Owl]

marshalleck wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Who's to stand in judgement.

The rational individual.

Thats all a matter of individual perspective....who's rational and who isn't.

Oh yay, nihilistic degenerate subjectivism. 

I guess anything goes, because as long as someone believes it, it's as valid as anything and everything else.

Sooooo....we should all listen to you because you are apparently the most rational and best equipped to confirm what is right or wrong?...hmmmm....

[marshalleck]

Golden Owl wrote...

Sooooo....we should all listen to you because you are apparently the most rational and best equipped to confirm what is right or wrong?...hmmmm....

I made no claims for my own sake, but now that you're specifically asking me: yes. If everyone thought like me the world would be a much more interesting and amusing place. And since I believe that, it's valid and you can't disagree.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 02:38 .

[CrazyCatDude]

ThePwener wrote...

Humans are probably the most culturally diverse out of them all. I myself believe in God, but accept that evolution is a fact in the ME universe and that there is no God either, as there are other alien races that came after and before humanity which do not know of Jesus Christ.

What surprises me the most is the fact that this did not cause a riot by the Catholic Church and every other major God believing group in Earth. Every 50,000 - 100,000 years the Reapers descend upon the Milky Way to eradicate every trace of sentient life that evolves and achieves space flight. This alone proves that evolution is real in the ME universe.

Um, you are aware that the Catholic Church actually accepts and endorses evolution as valid science, right?  It's those pesky protestant fundamentalist sects that tend have a problem with it.

[Golden Owl]

marshalleck wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Sooooo....we should all listen to you because you are apparently the most rational and best equipped to confirm what is right or wrong?...hmmmm....

I made no claims for my own sake, but now that you're specifically asking me: yes. If everyone thought like me the world would be a much more interesting and amusing place.

Ditto....and there's the clincher...

[Erani]

It's interesting to know about all the different races and their culture, which includes their belief systems but honestly I don't want it to play such an important role...just as background info, thank you. Also, I'd appreciate if they stay as far away from human religion parallels as possible. Yes I know Ashley believes in God or some kind of Creator Deity but I don't want her to go on about it and don't want to have it in my face. There's enough controversy in real life about religion and we don't need any more controversy on the BSN.

[Golden Owl]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Humans are probably the most culturally diverse out of them all. I myself believe in God, but accept that evolution is a fact in the ME universe and that there is no God either, as there are other alien races that came after and before humanity which do not know of Jesus Christ.

What surprises me the most is the fact that this did not cause a riot by the Catholic Church and every other major God believing group in Earth. Every 50,000 - 100,000 years the Reapers descend upon the Milky Way to eradicate every trace of sentient life that evolves and achieves space flight. This alone proves that evolution is real in the ME universe.

Um, you are aware that the Catholic Church actually accepts and endorses evolution as valid science, right?  It's those pesky protestant fundamentalist sects that tend have a problem with it.

Not according the the Catholic Church I was forcibly raised on.

[Boiny Bunny]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Humans are probably the most culturally diverse out of them all. I myself believe in God, but accept that evolution is a fact in the ME universe and that there is no God either, as there are other alien races that came after and before humanity which do not know of Jesus Christ.

What surprises me the most is the fact that this did not cause a riot by the Catholic Church and every other major God believing group in Earth. Every 50,000 - 100,000 years the Reapers descend upon the Milky Way to eradicate every trace of sentient life that evolves and achieves space flight. This alone proves that evolution is real in the ME universe.

Um, you are aware that the Catholic Church actually accepts and endorses evolution as valid science, right?  It's those pesky protestant fundamentalist sects that tend have a problem with it.

Indeed - which marks an interesting point.  The Catholic Church bends and changes it's fundamentals according to the age and day.  The fundamentalists are those that want to maintain the original belief system that the Church handed out many, many years ago.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 09 août 2011 - 02:41 .

[MrFob]

The way it was done in ME1 (characters that get flashed out a little by telling about their beliefs and maybe Shepard having the opportunity to comment on that according to player choice), I am all for it. There are a lot of different and interesting forms of faith in the ME universe and it might be interesting to hear about them.

Now, the way e.g. the new BSG did it, I 'd not like to see. What I mean is the whole supernatural thing with some higher power actually intervening in some (even the most subtle( way. Events should occur in a logical way within the in-universe physics and we should at least be given a hint at an explanation that goes beyond a "God did it". If there is some luck involved, I am sure Ash at least will believe it was divine intervention.

[ThePwener]

marshalleck wrote...

Because what is legal and organized?

The abomination that is prostitution and child pornography for starters.

[marshalleck]

Holy ****, where is prostitution and CP legal? I've been missing out.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ThePwener wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

We're a lot better than we used to be.
That's really our saving grace our ability to improve ourselves.

actually, it's worse. Just that now it's legal and organized. Just because you can't see it openly doesn't mean it's gone. Humanity always degrades more and more as time passes.

Like seeing the world through sh*t colored glasses?

People are living longer, somewhat healthier (Mind you this is all in the west) Literacy rates are up. Genocides are much rarer and you know actually frowned upon.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Because what is legal and organized?

The abomination that is prostitution and child pornography for starters.

THE ENTIRE WORLD MUST BURN FOREVAH BECAUSE THERE ARE SH*TTY PARTS!