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[Seboist]

Prostitution is legal in some countries, don't know where CP is legal..... and i'm not sure I want to find out.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Genocides actually frowned upon? Yeah, everybody says "what a shame" and lets it happen, and who can blame them, nobody wants to spend their countries wealth and blood in the third-world. Always expect things to get worse before they get better.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 09 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[marshalleck]

Actually, people in the West are getting fat, not "somewhat healthier."

Thanks McDonald's, and industrial junk food.

[ThePwener]

[quote]Golden Owl wrote...

Um, you are aware that the Catholic Church actually accepts and endorses evolution as valid science, right?  It's those pesky protestant fundamentalist sects that tend have a problem with it.

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Not according the the Catholic Church I was forcibly raised on.

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Im not looking to spite, but the Catholic Church is super messed up to the point that not even they know what they stand for anymore.

So much that the original bible refers to it as "The Great ****". Now Im not preaching here, but it is interesting that they knew the Catholic Church would exist before it actually existed.

[Erani]

Hmmm guys, Catholic Church & Evolution discussion will get this thread locked pretty fast. X0

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 09 août 2011 - 02:49 .

[ThePwener]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Because what is legal and organized?

The abomination that is prostitution and child pornography for starters.

THE ENTIRE WORLD MUST BURN FOREVAH BECAUSE THERE ARE SH*TTY PARTS!

Sure beats ignoring it. If it wasn't for my own beliefs I would have lost all hope years ago.

[100k]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Actually, people in the West are getting fat, not "somewhat healthier."

Thanks McDonald's, and industrial junk food.

Like I said the world's a sh*tty unpleasant place.
That's why you have to take the positives where you can get them.

Well...I hardly think obesity, even in America, constitutes calling the world a sh!tty place. But I get your main point.

[Golden Owl]

ThePwener wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Who's to stand in judgement.

I don't know Pwener, I don't think the existance of the Reapers can really define or answer in that universe whether there is a higher force or not, how do you come to that conclusion?

Well I am conflicted by my own beliefs (Christian raised) so that may be blinding my train of thought no matter how open minded I try to be. I just see it as VERY unlikely that there is a higher force in the ME universe and wouldn't intervene in such events. My God intervenes daily, so like I said, Im conflicted.

Sadly we also live in a world of war, hate, cruelty, abuse and bigotry...and so I guess that can lead to the age old question of why does a God allow this?...Though I don't believe in a God, I do have my own theory...we learn nothing and stagnat (don't grow or learn) if we are lead by the hand in every step we take...like raising a child, you need to let the child fall, so that they may learn how to run.....As for my dark pitch on humanity within my first sentence, sadly only bad news sells, there is a great deal of good in this world too, thats something to never forget and makes every step worth while.

[ThePwener]

Erani wrote...

Hmmm guys, Catholic Church & Evolution discussion will get this thread locked pretty fast. X0

He/she is right. Let's get back on-topic shall we.

Again, I think that the Lazarus Project ****ed up the mainstream more ways then one. How can they make something like that and then not elaborate upon it? Shepard is either the perfect mental being or a zombie.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

100k wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Actually, people in the West are getting fat, not "somewhat healthier."

Thanks McDonald's, and industrial junk food.

Like I said the world's a sh*tty unpleasant place.
That's why you have to take the positives where you can get them.

Well...I hardly think obesity, even in America, constitutes calling the world a sh!tty place. But I get your main point.

The world isn't black or white it's just various shades of grey.
I look for the lighter parts.
Most seem to prefer focusing on the darker aspects.

[Davie McG]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

The very fact that Shepard was brought back to life should throw out all concepts of religion - as it immediately denies the existance of a soul - supposing instead that everything that Shepard is, is contained in the physical body. Fix the body, and anybody can come back to life.

Most sci-fi stories manage to make a number of jabs at religion - which may or may not be appropriate given the context.

No doubt, if sentient alien life is ever discovered, the church will find a way to re-interpret their books and scrolls so that it somehow still fits into their belief system.

It's also worth mentioning, that the Geth and Hanar do worship, but are not religious.  The beings that they worship have been (in the ME universe) factually proven to exist, and influenced the development of their species directly, leaving evidence of this tampering.  There is no element of 'faith' whatsoever for either of them.  They simply recognise certain beings as vastly powerful, and choose to worship those figures - perhaps in a somewhat similar manner to a dog and its human master.

As a Cathothic being brought back to life after 2 years of being dead sounds like a fu©ked up prospect. I wouldn't say it disproves the existance of a soul, Jesus was dead 3 days and came back, while not 2 years its still quite a while for a soul to be loitering about the place.

The church wouldn't have to do much in the way of reprinting. The Catechism already leaves room for the possibility that life may exist else where in the galaxy, just because it's in a different place doesn't mean the being can't have a soul, or that it disproves the possibility of God to exist, which is essentialy some being that instigated the big bang thus creating the universe. Which is it's self a theory full of holes (the big bang that is, there are a ton of theories out there, after all it's a hard thing to prove).

In fact the church and alien creatures have a bit of a history, in the 15th century when explorers were off to find new lands and new peoples, there were rumours abound of dog headed men and cyclops'. The church sent missionaries with the explorers to find out if the creatures were intelligent so that if they were intelligent they could convert them.

Such a scenario may seems ludicrous to some but it shows that the church isn't as close minded as some people perceive it to be.

Anyway I'm not out to convert anyone, just saying that the church could survive the discovery of aliens with credibility intact, and thus still be powerfull enough for cerberus to bother about infiltrating. Therefor still must have a significant following even in the space age. Bioware have mentioned religion through out the series, now when we're landing on these peoples home planets and experiencing the culture seems to me a perfect oppertunity to learn more about their religions.

[JamieCOTC]

Hornet's nest, can you say?

It would be great if Ash asked Shepard about being dead and what that was like. And it would cool to see some cultural references during the "end times" calamity of the Reaper invasion, but nothing beyond window dressing. The reason why is because it's never been a big part of the ME universe. Had they started from the beginning like Star Wars, okay, but it's way too late for anything meaty.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Perhaps the amount of humanoid species, that have many similarities with each other, could be proof that maybe there is a higher power in the ME universe....or its just a coincedence that the Asari look so human.

[MrFob]

Look like this thread derailed pretty quickly, huh?
Can't be long before the lock now.
Just one comment:

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Like seeing the world through sh*t colored glasses?

Wouldn't that just be normal sunglasses?

[ThePwener]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

but evolution is a logical fallacy.

[Boiny Bunny]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

evolution is a logical fallacy.

 This is going to get interesting...

[marshalleck]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

This isn't the place for extended discussion of the topic, but evolution is a logical fallacy.

Why do you believe that to be so?

[ThePwener]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Perhaps the amount of humanoid species, that have many similarities with each other, could be proof that maybe there is a higher power in the ME universe....or its just a coincedence that the Asari look so human.

There is just so much room for interpretation that it's really hard to see it happen (for me anyway). The only way that a higher being is clarified is by making himself visible through some event. I doubt BW would do that.

[Icinix]

Would love to see the various beliefs of the ME universe explored further in ME3.

That is all.

[Davie McG]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

CrazyCatDude wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Humans are probably the most culturally diverse out of them all. I myself believe in God, but accept that evolution is a fact in the ME universe and that there is no God either, as there are other alien races that came after and before humanity which do not know of Jesus Christ.

What surprises me the most is the fact that this did not cause a riot by the Catholic Church and every other major God believing group in Earth. Every 50,000 - 100,000 years the Reapers descend upon the Milky Way to eradicate every trace of sentient life that evolves and achieves space flight. This alone proves that evolution is real in the ME universe.

Um, you are aware that the Catholic Church actually accepts and endorses evolution as valid science, right?  It's those pesky protestant fundamentalist sects that tend have a problem with it.

I love how everyone not of a certain bent tends to be as derogatory as possible. "pesky protestant fundamentalist sects"? Really? That sounds completely unbiased.
This isn't the place for extended discussion of the topic, but evolution is a logical fallacy.

I think that was bit more tounge in cheek than deliberately offensive. It's also true as I mentioned in my earlier post.

Not that I'm implying protestants are pesky.. people are so easily offended, if you grew up here pesky would be the one of the kindest things a protestants called me, but that's a whole other can of worms that we needn't bother opening.

Edit: when I said he was correct I of course ment the bit about how we're allowed to endorse and believe in evolution. I was taught about it at a Catholic high school after all.

Modifié par Davie McG, 09 août 2011 - 03:04 .

[Radahldo]

ThePwener wrote...


He/she is right. Let's get back on-topic shall we.

Again, I think that the Lazarus Project ****ed up the mainstream more ways then one. How can they make something like that and then not elaborate upon it? Shepard is either the perfect mental being or a zombie.

I was also bothered by the lazarus project
I mean how are you going to call it lazarus and just move on? By calling it that at all they are obviously aware of all the issues connected.

I find that religion in games is  limited by the writers own theological outlook and understanding, and above all it becomes to much for the writers to manage.  An example is DC comics which has gods all over their lore and it makes no sense. The writers are usually gonna come from backgrounds that leads them to be familiar with christianity more  than other religions.  This further impacts the quality of the pantheons created.

 Primal religions and  those with a huge amount of gods, which are always the kind used for other species,  are usually just reduced to stories an npc tells. I think Merrill in DA2 is a good example of that.

Modifié par Radahldo, 09 août 2011 - 03:03 .

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

The very fact that Shepard was brought back to life should throw out all concepts of religion - as it immediately denies the existance of a soul - supposing instead that everything that Shepard is, is contained in the physical body. Fix the body, and anybody can come back to life.

Most sci-fi stories manage to make a number of jabs at religion - which may or may not be appropriate given the context.

No doubt, if sentient alien life is ever discovered, the church will find a way to re-interpret their books and scrolls so that it somehow still fits into their belief system.

It's also worth mentioning, that the Geth and Hanar do worship, but are not religious.  The beings that they worship have been (in the ME universe) factually proven to exist, and influenced the development of their species directly, leaving evidence of this tampering.  There is no element of 'faith' whatsoever for either of them.  They simply recognise certain beings as vastly powerful, and choose to worship those figures - perhaps in a somewhat similar manner to a dog and its human master.

Or, maybe souls do exist, and God (if one did exist in the ME universe) allowed Shepard's soul to either stay in his damaged body, or allowed it to come back from the great beyond once the body was fully healed, since "God" wants Shepard to defeat the reapers.

Or maybe im just overthinking it:D

Im just trying to say that the way Shepard came back to life does not disprove the theory that souls exist.