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[Radahldo]

I still say we should move away from evolution talk, clearly this isnt going anywhere...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

Not a massive part, just a side mission or something where you meet an Asari priestess or something and through that conversation learn more about their beliefs. It fleshes out the universe a bit more, gets you more immersed in this fiction.

It would be cool to have a deeper understanding of what "embrace eternity" means.

From the way it was painted in me1 it just seems a small departure from how yoga perceives the 'self'. What an individual considers 'myself' is actually the 'petty self' or false ego. I don't think they have interest in pushing it farther than that. From what shiala says: "we are all connected, every living being connected in a glorious existence. open yourself to the universe, embrace eternity"
its a near exact analog. They had a chance with samara and chose not to. 

[Erani]

LOL this line of discussion is totally not appropriate! *amused*

....but...perhaps some people would benefit from looking up modern evolutionary synthesis or refraining from further sharing of weak scientific reasoning, thank you. Entropy does not approve.

[SandTrout]

There is not a single shred of evidence to support evolution.

except the fossil record, embryology, and vestigial organs. Oh, and the ability to domesticate animals, and specific mutations in particular human populations such as sickle-cell in Africa, and some weird oxygen absorbing trait in Tibet.

Please, please, PLEASE, read Darwin's origin of species. You are displaying gross ignorance of the topic right now.

[Boiny Bunny]

Also Pwener, since you are demanding evidence, please present your formal evidence that evolution does not in fact exist.

We can compare evidence, and come to a conclusion that way, ok?

[ThePwener]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

But to answer your question - you don't like that the universe appeared out of no where but you accept that something infinitely more complex (God) appeared out of no where first. 

I believe in God because he isn't as you believe he is. He's not a bearded man in the sky toying with us. He's a being of pure energy that dwells in his own dimension with the ability to do anything and everything. He created us for his own reasons. He's existance does not hinge on you're belief.

[SandTrout]

That's not a valid argument, Boiny Bunny. You cannot prove a negative.

[pablodurando]

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I actually just posted this earlier in a totally unrelated thread. 

I challenge you to watch the entire thing. 

'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009

Oh, that guy. Sorry, but I do not listen to ignorance. There is enough evidence out there that God exists and that evolution is not real.

There is not a single shred of evidence to support evolution. Not one. Why do people even bother then. It started as an idea and boom, it became fact. Seriously, give me ONE, one piece of evidence.

You can't.

No evidence at all for evolution.  Seriously man this is just the most pathetic excuse I have ever hard in a theological argument.

[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

I believe in God because he isn't as you believe he is. He's not a bearded man in the sky toying with us. He's a being of pure energy that dwells in his own dimension with the ability to do anything and everything. He created us for his own reasons. He's existance does not hinge on you're belief.

And what in that description of God negates the Big Bang?

[pablodurando]

ThePwener wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

But to answer your question - you don't like that the universe appeared out of no where but you accept that something infinitely more complex (God) appeared out of no where first. 

I believe in God because he isn't as you believe he is. He's not a bearded man in the sky toying with us. He's a being of pure energy that dwells in his own dimension with the ability to do anything and everything. He created us for his own reasons. He's existance does not hinge on you're belief.

If your god is omnipotent then why create evil, why not make everything perfect.  Why does he bother making a universe which he knows is just a game to him by making people worship him.

[Davie McG]

SandTrout wrote...

That's not a valid argument, Boiny Bunny. You cannot prove a negative.

Ninja'd was just about to post this

[ThePwener]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Also Pwener, since you are demanding evidence, please present your formal evidence that evolution does not in fact exist.

We can compare evidence, and come to a conclusion that way, ok?

Here's my evidence. God exists, he made us. How do I prove he exists? Miracles.

A women goes to the doctor. The doctor says she has cancer. she goes to church. The pastor prays for her. The next week the doctor says the cancer has completaly disappeared.

The same has happened with blindness, retardation and many other things. One of my college teachers used to be a retard, like a real retard, to the pint of shock therapy, and he is now an articulate college teacher. He says God cured him.

Want more?

[100k]

GET BACK TO THE TOPIC @ HAND, OR THE MODS WILL SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN

Modifié par 100k, 09 août 2011 - 03:50 .

[Ziggy]

SandTrout wrote...

That's not a valid argument, Boiny Bunny. You cannot prove a negative.

Sure you can, find a rabbit skeleton in pre-Cambrian fossil deposits and evolution goes out the window.

[Boiny Bunny]

SandTrout wrote...

That's not a valid argument, Boiny Bunny. You cannot prove a negative.

Sorry - which of my posts are you referring to?  (There are a few now and this thread is moving fast)

[marshalleck]

pablodurando wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I actually just posted this earlier in a totally unrelated thread. 

I challenge you to watch the entire thing. 

'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009

Oh, that guy. Sorry, but I do not listen to ignorance. There is enough evidence out there that God exists and that evolution is not real.

There is not a single shred of evidence to support evolution. Not one. Why do people even bother then. It started as an idea and boom, it became fact. Seriously, give me ONE, one piece of evidence.

You can't.

No evidence at all for evolution.  Seriously man this is just the most pathetic excuse I have ever hard in a theological argument.

This isn't even a theological argument. Actual theologians would be facepalming just as hard as the rest of us at Pwener's display of failure to achieve primary education in biology.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 03:42 .

[pablodurando]

Theological arguments usually cause controversy and political ****storms, so no. I find the writers explain religion well enough in the games without causing any major controversies.

[marshalleck]

Em23 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

That's not a valid argument, Boiny Bunny. You cannot prove a negative.

Sure you can, find a rabbit skeleton in pre-Cambrian fossil deposits and evolution goes out the window.

And didymos's avatar is a crocoduck!!

[BlueMagitek]

Well that didn't take too long to spin wildly out of control. ~_^

As for religion in ME, I think it could have been explored easily enough with Shepard reacting to his/her death & resurrection; it'd be nice to talk to some of your crew about it (notably Garrus & Tali, though I'd love to hear Mordin praddle on about it, he's pimpin'). Some characters (Mordin or Miranda) would be more interested in the science of it while others (Tali, Samara/Thane) may be more interested in how it affected Shepard's view on religion/life/etc. And then there'd be the Z-man, who'd nod and share a story about how he was sliced in half only to sew himself together through sheer rage-aline and take out the guys who killed him.

[ThePwener]

[quote]pablodurando wrote...

I believe in God because he isn't as you believe he is. He's not a bearded man in the sky toying with us. He's a being of pure energy that dwells in his own dimension with the ability to do anything and everything. He created us for his own reasons. He's existance does not hinge on you're belief. [/quote]

If your god is omnipotent then why create evil, why not make everything perfect.  Why does he bother making a universe which he knows is just a game to him by making people worship him.

[/quote]

Because God is more human then most want to think. He has his reasons for doing what he does, just like you have yours for doing what you want.

[AlphaDormante]

Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever see a religion-centered topic that won't degrade into a bunch of frothing crusaders insisting on proving each other wrong. Usually I accept that I probably won't.

Not that I think this will actually work, but how about getting back on topic?

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 09 août 2011 - 03:42 .

[pablodurando]

100k wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

But to answer your question - you don't like that the universe appeared out of no where but you accept that something infinitely more complex (God) appeared out of no where first. 

I believe in God because he isn't as you believe he is. He's not a bearded man in the sky toying with us. He's a being of pure energy that dwells in his own dimension with the ability to do anything and everything. He created us for his own reasons. He's existance does not hinge on you're belief.

If your god is omnipotent then why create evil, why not make everything perfect.  Why does he bother making a universe which he knows is just a game to him by making people worship him.

I personally can answer this several ways, but I won't. It is irrelevant to the thesis of this thread.

GET BACK TO THE TOPIC @ HAND, OR THE MODS WILL SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN

This thread is already going to get shut down anyway, I would like to hear just one of your answers.

[Radahldo]

the thread is going down in flames cause you all took it there, its like you all turned into rage demons

there is hardly a shortage of places to have debates on evolution on the internet...

Modifié par Radahldo, 09 août 2011 - 03:44 .

[pablodurando]

[quote]ThePwener wrote...

[quote]pablodurando wrote...

I believe in God because he isn't as you believe he is. He's not a bearded man in the sky toying with us. He's a being of pure energy that dwells in his own dimension with the ability to do anything and everything. He created us for his own reasons. He's existance does not hinge on you're belief. [/quote]

If your god is omnipotent then why create evil, why not make everything perfect.  Why does he bother making a universe which he knows is just a game to him by making people worship him.

[/quote]

Because God is more human then most want to think. He has his reasons for doing what he does, just like you have yours for doing what you want. [/quote]

So he's human, so he's not perfect.  So just make an entire species dedicated to following him.  Cause strife and gore through war, but hey it's okay, God is just human.

[marshalleck]

ThePwener wrote...

Because God is more human then most want to think. He has his reasons for doing what he does, just like you have yours for doing what you want.

You sure know a lot about a God which you claim is unknowable. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 03:44 .

[Davie McG]

ThePwener wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Also Pwener, since you are demanding evidence, please present your formal evidence that evolution does not in fact exist.

We can compare evidence, and come to a conclusion that way, ok?

Here's my evidence. God exists, he made us. How do I prove he exists? Miracles.

A women goes to the doctor. The doctor says she has cancer. she goes to church. The pastor prays for her. The next week the doctor says the cancer has completaly disappeared.

The same has happened with blindness, retardation and many other things. One of my college teachers used to be a retard, like a real retard, to the pint of shock therapy, and he is now an articulate college teacher. He says God cured him.

Want more?

Derren Brown: Miracles for Sale may be worth a watch, the whole faith healing thing is pretty alarming.

Edit: Also there is room for modern science and God.

The important thing is that people should start being a little more respectfull and mindfull of other beliefs, just because you do not share someones belief in science or a God does not mean you must force your views on others.

I don't mind healthy debate but this is on the verge of going too far.

Modifié par Davie McG, 09 août 2011 - 03:50 .