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[Anacronian Stryx]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I have a friend who was deaf, completely. When a hearing test was done, his mother could hear the sounds outside of the booth, but he didnt even notice. Many people evidenced this. When he was about five or so, he was prayed for, and about an hour or so later he had his hands over his ears, because he'd never heard loud sounds before. That was not a trick by anyone. Miracles do happen.

I have a friend who was run over by a speeding truck and only broke her nose.. she didn't pray what saved her?

[pablodurando]

ThePwener wrote...

yogolol wrote...

How is this evidence? I can prove that God doesn`t exist because I have a broken leg atm and I can pray to God for it to not be broken. It`s still broken, God does not exist. People around the world are praying for God to help them and nothing ever happens, a few rare times something does happen and you consider this hard evidence that God is the one that helped these people. 

It's called faith. Saying God exists and wanting something doesn't get you anything. It doesn't work like that. The bible says that those who do not want to believe won't no matter what is shown to them. It's like a veil is infront of you're eyes and only lifts when you truly want to believe. So I guess Im wasting my time here. Sorry to waste you're too.

The irony it burns.  Go read the unabridged King James version of the bible and then come back to me saying that the bible is credible.

[Davie McG]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I have a friend who was deaf, completely. When a hearing test was done, his mother could hear the sounds outside of the booth, but he didnt even notice. Many people evidenced this. When he was about five or so, he was prayed for, and about an hour or so later he had his hands over his ears, because he'd never heard loud sounds before. That was not a trick by anyone. Miracles do happen.

I have a friend who was run over by a speeding truck and only broke her nose.. she didn't pray what saved her?

My appologies but I laughed so hard when i read this.

[ThePwener]

Erani wrote...

^ It is Cain.

Seriously Pwener! You are the OP and should not be engaging in off-topic. Why are you continuing with the religious discussion as you know it is inappropriate!

The thread is probably beyond saving at this point. We can try, but I doubt it.

[yogolol]

ThePwener wrote...

yogolol wrote...

How is this evidence? I can prove that God doesn`t exist because I have a broken leg atm and I can pray to God for it to not be broken. It`s still broken, God does not exist. People around the world are praying for God to help them and nothing ever happens, a few rare times something does happen and you consider this hard evidence that God is the one that helped these people. 

It's called faith. Saying God exists and wanting something doesn't get you anything. It doesn't work like that. The bible says that those who do not want to believe won't no matter what is shown to them. It's like a veil is infront of you're eyes and only lifts when you truly want to believe. So I guess Im wasting my time here. Sorry to waste you're too.

Alright what about all the people that do have a faith that pray and nothing happens? My uncle is as Catholic as you can get and has cancer, everytime he goes to church he prays for his health to get better but it`s only getting worse.

[SandTrout]

Really, the back and forth about trying to prove or disprove the existence of god really IS pointless.

It is a point that, quite literally, cannot be proven either way. Better minds than BSN have tried and come up with nothing.

[100k]

Davie McG wrote...
Agreed.

I'd like to visit the hanar home world an hear more about drell beliefs.

It would make sense to go there, after all there are alot of prothean ruins, perhaps something usefull to the mission may be found here

Yeah, I hope we see the enclave as well. 

Also, it is noted in ME2 that the asari religions are highly popular, even among the non-asari races. What do you guys think it entails? Reincarnation? Perhaps spirituality via eezo?

[pablodurando]

ThePwener wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

My biggest problem with this argument is ironically Occam's razor.   Just seeing and saying that God did it is making a huge assumption.  For all you know that person could just cognitively think that they're cured while in fact the disease is still with them.   

Yeah, too bad they gave her 2 hours to live and she didn't.

Derp

Wait, she didn't live?

[Boiny Bunny]

ThePwener wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

My biggest problem with this argument is ironically Occam's razor.   Just seeing and saying that God did it is making a huge assumption.  For all you know that person could just cognitively think that they're cured while in fact the disease is still with them.   

Yeah, too bad they gave her 2 hours to live and she didn't.

Derp

And where is your evidence? 

How can you possibly believe an interview with a few random people in an online video, and reject hundreds of years of scientific papers, studies, tests, etc?

An online video with some interviews is not evidence, or even close.  Heck, I could record a fake one of those right now, and pretend I prayed to God just before I was 'cured' of my cancer.

[SandTrout]

Alright what about all the people that do have a faith that pray and nothing happens? My uncle is as Catholic as you can get and has cancer, everytime he goes to church he prays for his health to get better but it`s only getting worse.

All that means is that God either doesn't care, or is the ultimate Troll. This does not disprove existence.

[pablodurando]

SandTrout wrote...

Really, the back and forth about trying to prove or disprove the existence of god really IS pointless.

It is a point that, quite literally, cannot be proven either way. Better minds than BSN have tried and come up with nothing.

It doesn't mean that one side is not more logical.  I'm agnostic so I agree with you, but I also realize that alot of people spend their entire lives in fear of their religion and/or are utterly devoted.  Waste of time ex mea sententia.  

Modifié par pablodurando, 09 août 2011 - 04:02 .

[Radahldo]

guys really there are many things in evrey current forum members personal history that cast doubt on the power of prayer-- thats obvious; but its not necessary to endeavor to undercut his belief in it, especially since this clearly just isnt about pwner, but the belief system in general with the vitrol in some of these posts.. its really not necessary to have such a big serious intense discussion... cant we talk about mordins religious belief, for example? That can be light hearted

Modifié par Radahldo, 09 août 2011 - 04:02 .

[ThePwener]

[quote]pablodurando wrote...

It's called faith. Saying God exists and wanting something doesn't get you anything. It doesn't work like that. The bible says that those who do not want to believe won't no matter what is shown to them. It's like a veil is infront of you're eyes and only lifts when you truly want to believe. So I guess Im wasting my time here. Sorry to waste you're too. [/quote]
The irony it burns.  Go read the unabridged King James version of the bible and then come back to me saying that the bible is credible.

[/quote]

Like I care. Im just doing this out of pity. Im not the one whose's going to hell for all eternity. If you actually bothered to know you'd see that everything the bible says in the book of Apocalypse is happening a little more each day.

Seriously, get with the program. Satan's foremost lie is convincing you he doesn't exist. It's working right now I can tell you that.

[Whatever42]

Radahldo wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

But if the ME universe does explore alien cultures more deeply, including religion, I think it will have to be in a novel. I don't think an action-RPG has the depth to have deep philosophical conversations. And there is too much room for offence, I think.

I think it would  be worse in a novel, cause then just one person is writing it.  I don't know if anyone on the writer staff is much interested in theology? The pattern is they rip from an existing doctrine, and just move on. Thane was great, but the writer who did him is gone

You could certainly be right. I know Babylon 5 tried to have a good examination of alien and human faith and religion, though. Babylon 5 was a little mystical although agnostic, there might be that same depth in the ME universe. The Asari mysticism might be a little trite but could probably be developed into something deeper. Krogan beliefs WERE actually explored in ME2 and seem fascinating.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 09 août 2011 - 04:02 .

[Davie McG]

Radahldo wrote...

guys really there are many things in evrey current forum members personal history that cast doubt on the power of prayer-- thats obvious; but its not necessary to endeavor to undercut his belief in it, especially since this clearly just isnt about pwner, but the belief system in general.. its really not necessary to have such a big serious intense discussion... cant we talk about mordins religious belief, for example?

Did Mordin state a belief?

[yogolol]

SandTrout wrote...

Alright what about all the people that do have a faith that pray and nothing happens? My uncle is as Catholic as you can get and has cancer, everytime he goes to church he prays for his health to get better but it`s only getting worse.

All that means is that God either doesn't care, or is the ultimate Troll. This does not disprove existence.

Yes I know it doesn`t but he`s saying that those with faith will have God save them and I`m saying that no God doesn`t save people even those with faith.

[ThePwener]

Radahldo wrote...

cant we talk about mordins religious belief, for example?

That guy has religious beliefs beyond "SCIETIST SALARIAN!" Seriously, I doubt Mording believes in any religion. he's too "scientific" for it. Thane on the other hand....

[Whatever42]

Radahldo wrote...

guys really there are many things in evrey current forum members personal history that cast doubt on the power of prayer-- thats obvious; but its not necessary to endeavor to undercut his belief in it, especially since this clearly just isnt about pwner, but the belief system in general with the vitrol in some of these posts.. its really not necessary to have such a big serious intense discussion... cant we talk about mordins religious belief, for example? That can be light hearted

I think religion is a buffet to Mordin. 

[marshalleck]

ThePwener wrote...


Like I care. Im just doing this out of pity. Im not the one whose's going to hell for all eternity. If you actually bothered to know you'd see that everything the bible says in the book of Apocalypse is happening a little more each day.

Seriously, get with the program. Satan's foremost lie is convincing you he doesn't exist. It's working right now I can tell you that.

 

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 août 2011 - 04:04 .

[Whatever42]

Davie McG wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

guys really there are many things in evrey current forum members personal history that cast doubt on the power of prayer-- thats obvious; but its not necessary to endeavor to undercut his belief in it, especially since this clearly just isnt about pwner, but the belief system in general.. its really not necessary to have such a big serious intense discussion... cant we talk about mordins religious belief, for example?

Did Mordin state a belief?

Yeah, you have the discussion with him over the corpse of the dead Turian female. He's explored many religions.

[yogolol]

Got ninja`d by Whatever.

Modifié par yogolol, 09 août 2011 - 04:05 .

[pablodurando]

[quote]ThePwener wrote...

[quote]pablodurando wrote...

It's called faith. Saying God exists and wanting something doesn't get you anything. It doesn't work like that. The bible says that those who do not want to believe won't no matter what is shown to them. It's like a veil is infront of you're eyes and only lifts when you truly want to believe. So I guess Im wasting my time here. Sorry to waste you're too. [/quote]
The irony it burns.  Go read the unabridged King James version of the bible and then come back to me saying that the bible is credible.

[/quote]

Like I care. Im just doing this out of pity. Im not the one whose's going to hell for all eternity. If you actually bothered to know you'd see that everything the bible says in the book of Apocalypse is happening a little more each day.

Seriously, get with the program. Satan's foremost lie is convincing you he doesn't exist. It's working right now I can tell you that.[/quote]

Uhh, I honestly don't know how to help you.  I guess a book, especially one that has been edited to the extent of the Christian bible, is amazing because it predicts basic human nature.  Well I guess I'm going to be dammned to hell for all eternity since God doesn't love me.  Oh well, at least I'll get to meet the majority of people to ever walk the planet.  God didn't love them either because they didn't read the bible or follow him.

[SandTrout]

Mordin, I think, is a key point with regards to how Religion is portrayed in ME. He is an exceptionally rational person, yet still he needs some sort of support system in order to accept some of the horrendous things that he has experienced. He does not forsake his scientific research, or even his general personal philosophy, for religious dogma.

This seems to be a pattern that a lot of human cultures are progessing along, so it seems reasonable to me that other cultures would retain religion without it becoming the dominant force in their society.

[Erani]

[quote]ThePwener wrote...

[quote]pablodurando wrote...

It's called faith. Saying God exists and wanting something doesn't get you anything. It doesn't work like that. The bible says that those who do not want to believe won't no matter what is shown to them. It's like a veil is infront of you're eyes and only lifts when you truly want to believe. So I guess Im wasting my time here. Sorry to waste you're too. [/quote]
The irony it burns.  Go read the unabridged King James version of the bible and then come back to me saying that the bible is credible.

[/quote]

Like I care. Im just doing this out of pity. Im not the one whose's going to hell for all eternity. If you actually bothered to know you'd see that everything the bible says in the book of Apocalypse is happening a little more each day.

Seriously, get with the program. Satan's foremost lie is convincing you he doesn't exist. It's working right now I can tell you that.[/quote]

OK. Now you have clearly crossed the line. You could do with more compassion and less self-righteousness. 

Edit: Keep your pity. 

Modifié par Erani, 09 août 2011 - 04:09 .