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[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Theres absolutely nothing lore breaking about that.

apart from somehow she managed to barely get a small fever from intercourse with a human?
there kinda is...humans mouths are filthy. hence why its treated so seriously when a human bites another and breaks the skin at a hospital? they flush the wound with so much medication its crazy.

the fact that she got sick from making a minor mistake during suit repair earlier in the game.

the fact that quarians get sick for weeks when linking suits, i assume they'd take some precautionary medication for that as well.

so yeah. its is kinda lore breaking, though i dont expect you to admit it considering your sig, not bias at all i assume?

Ill say it again. The only threat is an allergic reaction which can be nullified from weakening her immune system. So, no, its not lore breaking at all.
But if you dont know anything about biology, I suppose I can forgive your ignorance.

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 05:21 .

[Angmir]

I see peple get the whole "She might get sick and die" from intercurse to seriously. Its not like she has 20% chances of dieing right after having sex. There is a risk - but they had taken all precausions possible.
In fact it isnt that rare for Quarians to make it out with other species.
There always will be some minor alergic reacion but thats all.

Risk of Tali dieing or getting seriusly ill, after they sweet time before Omega 4 is no greater than the risk of beeing infected with AIDS after making it out with boy you are dating for a week while still using preservatives.

People are willing to taking this kind of risk, they dont ask for their partners medical records, so why shouldnt Tali and Shepard give it a try. All the more since they had prepared for this moment for a while.
Hell besides They are head over heels in love with each other - I would risk it even when I would know this wouldnt be plesant for me, just for the girl I love.

I bet all normal people understand it - it is just all this Anti-Talimancers that make stupid remarks.

Modifié par Angmir, 11 août 2011 - 05:21 .

[Xeranx]

Mykel54 wrote...

It would have been way more interesting if Tali died on the suicide mission after having sex, it would be more realistic (no inmuno boosters to fix everything and make happy endings) and make shepard realise that this particular relationship can´t have sex. The other quarians that are in the game use the nerve stimulator systems, it doesn´t make sense that Tali is special enough to be able to have sex with an alien and not only survive but come out with a minor fever. Quarians even get sick when linking suits among themselves!, if bioware were fair Tali should just have died, and for those willing to date a quarian, they should be able to deal with the no having sex issue.

I dont' understand what you're saying here.  Quarians do engage physically to reproduce much like humans.  At least that's what I interpreted from what was in the game.  Also, Tali was initially to be a romance option in the first game.  It was removed because they thought it would be a waste of resources due to no player wanting to pursue that path rather than it being completely unneeded and therefore a waste of resources.  And I think her character suffered for it as a result.

There are other reasons as to why she comes out with a minor fever.  Despite my dislike of the wasted energy that could have been put towards survival she did prepare as adequately as possible.  You take a flu shot to avoid the full effects of the flu.  So any flu symptoms don't last as long as they normally would have.

[K_Tabris]

People loved her character, they decided to make her romancable. If you liked her character, then there's a good reason to romance her.

That's really all there is too it.

[Clonedzero]

Quole wrote...

Ill say it again. The only threat is an allergic reaction which can be nullified from weakening her immune system. So, no, its not lore breaking at all.

might want to rephrase that maybe?

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ill say it again. The only threat is an allergic reaction which can be nullified from weakening her immune system. So, no, its not lore breaking at all.

might want to rephrase that maybe?

An allergic reaction is basically an overreaction from the immune system on something that isnt necessarily a threat, putting it simply. So, weakening her immune system would logically nullify the threat of an allergic reaction. Seeing as how she can only truly get sick from Turian germs, theres no reason they cant have sex.

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 05:26 .

[Clonedzero]

Angmir wrote...

I see peple get the whole "She might get sick and die" from intercurse to seriously. Its not like she has 20% chances of dieing right after having sex. There is a risk - but they had taken all precausions possible.
In fact it isnt that rare for Quarians to make it out with other species.
There always will be some minor alergic reacion but thats all.

Risk of Tali dieing or getting seriusly ill, after they sweet time before Omega 4 is no greater than the risk of beeing infected with AIDS after making it out with boy you are dating for a week while still using preservatives.

People are willing to taking this kind of risk, they dont ask for their partners medical records, so why shouldnt Tali and Shepard give it a try. All the more since they had prepared for this moment for a while.
Hell besides They are head over heels in love with each other - I would risk it even when I would know this wouldnt be plesant for me, just for the girl I love.

I bet all normal people understand it - it is just all this Anti-Talimancers that make stupid remarks.

uh, ive romanced tali before and she makes a point of saying how significant the risks are. its not like it was a 5% chance or anything. its a very significant risk. and it goes completely against everything else said about the quarians up till that point.

her aunt said she got sick for weeks just by linking suits with another quarian? i doubt she made out with talis mom or had any other bodily fluid exchanges there...

she got a fever from a MINOR suit tear and repair.

inconsistancy is not good writing.

also again, risking death and serious illness before an extremely important and risky mission seems downright stupid.

[StellarMagic]

Essentially an allergic reaction is caused by the immune system attacking foreign matter that isn't a threat and all the collateral damage to the body that results from that. Since Tali is dextro based and Garrus isn't in the cabin the only bacteria and viral matter present she's immune to due to chirality. She will have an allergic reaction since the quarian immune system is so screwed up from shipboard life. Even two quarians are allergic to each other unless they take time to adapt via the linking of suit environments.

[Clonedzero]

Quole wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ill say it again. The only threat is an allergic reaction which can be nullified from weakening her immune system. So, no, its not lore breaking at all.

might want to rephrase that maybe?

An allergic reaction is basically an overreaction from the immune system on something that isnt necessarily a threat, putting it simply. So, weakening her immune system would logically nullify the threat of an allergic reaction. Seeing as how she can only truly get sick from Turian germs, theres no reason they cant have sex.

to QUOTE tali :

"so... i've taken some antibiotics as well as some herbal supplments that should BOLSTER MY IMMUNE SYSTEM"

www.youtube.com/watch

so uh? what were you saying?

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

Angmir wrote...

I see peple get the whole "She might get sick and die" from intercurse to seriously. Its not like she has 20% chances of dieing right after having sex. There is a risk - but they had taken all precausions possible.
In fact it isnt that rare for Quarians to make it out with other species.
There always will be some minor alergic reacion but thats all.

Risk of Tali dieing or getting seriusly ill, after they sweet time before Omega 4 is no greater than the risk of beeing infected with AIDS after making it out with boy you are dating for a week while still using preservatives.

People are willing to taking this kind of risk, they dont ask for their partners medical records, so why shouldnt Tali and Shepard give it a try. All the more since they had prepared for this moment for a while.
Hell besides They are head over heels in love with each other - I would risk it even when I would know this wouldnt be plesant for me, just for the girl I love.

I bet all normal people understand it - it is just all this Anti-Talimancers that make stupid remarks.

uh, ive romanced tali before and she makes a point of saying how significant the risks are. its not like it was a 5% chance or anything. its a very significant risk. and it goes completely against everything else said about the quarians up till that point.

her aunt said she got sick for weeks just by linking suits with another quarian? i doubt she made out with talis mom or had any other bodily fluid exchanges there...

she got a fever from a MINOR suit tear and repair.

inconsistancy is not good writing.

also again, risking death and serious illness before an extremely important and risky mission seems downright stupid.

1. Given all the precautions she took, plus the fact that you may have Kasumi and Legion to do the hacking, the risk factor was incredibly low. Although it would be even lower if she weakend her immue system. This leads me to believe that quarians dont understand how immunology works.

2. You can still romance her before the SM, then have sex with her after the SM.

[mauro2222]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Theres absolutely nothing lore breaking about that.

apart from somehow she managed to barely get a small fever from intercourse with a human?
there kinda is...humans mouths are filthy. hence why its treated so seriously when a human bites another and breaks the skin at a hospital? they flush the wound with so much medication its crazy.

the fact that she got sick from making a minor mistake during suit repair earlier in the game.

the fact that quarians get sick for weeks when linking suits, i assume they'd take some precautionary medication for that as well.

the fact they'd risk her LIFE, or cause a mission critical sickness in their tech expert before a "suicide mission" is beyond stupid and a leader like shepard wouldnt do that, and tali well at least her me1 self wouldnt be stupid enough to risk it either.

so yeah. its is kinda lore breaking, though i dont expect you to admit it considering your sig, not bias at all i assume?

Nobody bite her so the bacteria didn`t go to her blood, and she is not only having a "small fever"...<_<

Modifié par mauro2222, 11 août 2011 - 05:29 .

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ill say it again. The only threat is an allergic reaction which can be nullified from weakening her immune system. So, no, its not lore breaking at all.

might want to rephrase that maybe?

An allergic reaction is basically an overreaction from the immune system on something that isnt necessarily a threat, putting it simply. So, weakening her immune system would logically nullify the threat of an allergic reaction. Seeing as how she can only truly get sick from Turian germs, theres no reason they cant have sex.

to QUOTE tali :

"so... i've taken some antibiotics as well as some herbal supplments that should BOLSTER MY IMMUNE SYSTEM"

www.youtube.com/watch

so uh? what were you saying?

Im saying that dosnt make any sense, and she would have actually reduced the risk had she done the opposite.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Allergy      read the first paragraph.

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 05:32 .

[StellarMagic]

In short... Bioware did not do their research. Oops... XP

[Clonedzero]

Quole wrote...

Im saying that dosnt make any sense, and she would have actually reduced the risk had she done the opposite.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Allergy      read the first sentence.

yeah, so her romance is lore breaking, inconsistant, and retconned. so you agree.

cool

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Im saying that dosnt make any sense, and she would have actually reduced the risk had she done the opposite.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Allergy      read the first sentence.

yeah, so her romance is lore breaking, inconsistant, and retconned. so you agree.

cool

No, Im saying quarians dont understand how the immune system works and so just need to do research and understand that theres no reason they cant have sex with a human.

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 05:35 .

[mauro2222]

Ups, what happens if you romance Tali then you romance Liara again after the Shadow broker ?

I mean in ME3, what could happen?

[StellarMagic]

*Hears a shotgun charging*

Yeah, that might be a bad idea... I don't think Tali is interested in sharing with the crazy Asari scientist turned information broker and broken bird...

[Clonedzero]

Quole wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Im saying that dosnt make any sense, and she would have actually reduced the risk had she done the opposite.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Allergy      read the first sentence.

yeah, so her romance is lore breaking, inconsistant, and retconned. so you agree.

cool

No, Im saying quarians dont understand how the immune system works and so just need to do research and understand that theres no reason they cant have sex with a human.

so her bolstering her immune system, as she flat out says she did. should have made her reaction WORSE.

so thats inconsistant, lore breaking and retconning.

so you DO agree, right?

[aiDvEoN]

I'd just put the statement being screw down to Tali being an engineer, not a doctor.

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Im saying that dosnt make any sense, and she would have actually reduced the risk had she done the opposite.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Allergy      read the first sentence.

yeah, so her romance is lore breaking, inconsistant, and retconned. so you agree.

cool

No, Im saying quarians dont understand how the immune system works and so just need to do research and understand that theres no reason they cant have sex with a human.

so her bolstering her immune system, as she flat out says she did. should have made her reaction WORSE.

so thats inconsistant, lore breaking and retconning.

so you DO agree, right?

Assuming you are not trolling.... no, it just means she does not understand how the immune system works. Nothing lore breaking about that. And for all we know it DID make her reaction worse. However her reaction shouldnt have been that bad to begin with.

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 05:41 .

[mauro2222]

Tell him that he is right so he in that way can feed his ego and exit this thread or any other Tali thread.

Modifié par mauro2222, 11 août 2011 - 05:41 .

[Vilio1]

StellarMagic wrote...

Yeah, that might be a bad idea... I don't think Tali is interested in sharing with the crazy Asari scientist turned information broker and broken bird...

Too bad, that means Tali ends up crying in her quarters

Modifié par Vilio1, 11 août 2011 - 05:45 .

[S.A.K]

Quole wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Im saying that dosnt make any sense, and she would have actually reduced the risk had she done the opposite.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Allergy      read the first sentence.

yeah, so her romance is lore breaking, inconsistant, and retconned. so you agree.

cool

No, Im saying quarians dont understand how the immune system works and so just need to do research and understand that theres no reason they cant have sex with a human.

so her bolstering her immune system, as she flat out says she did. should have made her reaction WORSE.

so thats inconsistant, lore breaking and retconning.

so you DO agree, right?

Assuming you are not trolling.... no, it just means she does not understand how the immune system works. Nothing lore breaking about that. And for all we know it DID make her reaction worse. However her reaction shouldnt have been that bad to begin with.

I guess he is trolling.

[Clonedzero]

Quole wrote...

Assuming you are not trolling.... no, it just means she does not understand how the immune system works. Nothing lore breaking about that. And for all we know it DID make her reaction worse. However her reaction shouldnt have been that bad to begin with.

ignoring your obvious bias.

if her reaction wouldnt have been that bad, which is flat out untrue based on all the lore in the game and most of the dialogue in her romance. why would she have to wear the suit at all? why would any of them?

from the quarian page on mass effect wiki.

"A quarian who wishes to remove their suit must take antibiotics,
immuno-boosters, herbal supplements, or the like in order to do so
safely, and even then there are inherent risks. As a result, physical
acts of affection are difficult for quarians, even for the purposes of
reproduction. Ships in the Migrant Fleet often contain "clean rooms"
where quarians can give birth or undergo medical procedures in relative
safety, though there are always risks. The most intimate thing quarians
can do is link their suit environments. However, doing so guarantees a
quarian will get sick, although they will usually adapt over time.
"

also. around 3:25ish.
www.youtube.com/watch

i mean, its REALLY inconsistant and breaks a bunch of the lore, and basic science.

you're telling me its a good romance? lol

also, about 1:35ish.
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Clonedzero, 11 août 2011 - 05:57 .

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Assuming you are not trolling.... no, it just means she does not understand how the immune system works. Nothing lore breaking about that. And for all we know it DID make her reaction worse. However her reaction shouldnt have been that bad to begin with.

ignoring your obvious bias.

if her reaction wouldnt have been that bad, which is flat out untrue based on all the lore in the game and most of the dialogue in her romance. why would she have to wear the suit at all? why would any of them?

from the quarian page on mass effect wiki.

"A quarian who wishes to remove their suit must take antibiotics,
immuno-boosters, herbal supplements, or the like in order to do so
safely, and even then there are inherent risks. As a result, physical
acts of affection are difficult for quarians, even for the purposes of
reproduction. Ships in the Migrant Fleet often contain "clean rooms"
where quarians can give birth or undergo medical procedures in relative
safety, though there are always risks. The most intimate thing quarians
can do is link their suit environments. However, doing so guarantees a
quarian will get sick, although they will usually adapt over time.
"

also. around 3:25ish.
www.youtube.com/watch

i mean, its REALLY inconsistant and breaks a bunch of the lore, and basic science.

you're telling me its a good romance? lol

also, about 1:35ish.
www.youtube.com/watch

Because if she weakens her immune system that much, then comes into contact with dextro germs, shes likely dead. Other quarians and turians for example, have dextro germs. Get it? A dextro germ would make them sick, not induce an alergic reaction.

And this is me ignoring your obvious bias towards hating Tali, as well as likely being a troll.

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 06:02 .