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[Clonedzero]

so, you're saying quarians wouldnt need to wear their suits on earth then? i think you're grasping at straws here lol.

and im not trolling. im just pointing out the numerous flaws in its conception. thats all. the thread is about what good reasons are there to romance tali. im showing that the romance is extremely illogical and inconsistant.

im allowed to disagree and not be a troll you know.... <_< but i guess if you wanna play that card since ive provided plenty of evidence, i guess its your only real move.

Modifié par Clonedzero, 11 août 2011 - 06:06 .

[S.A.K]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Assuming you are not trolling.... no, it just means she does not understand how the immune system works. Nothing lore breaking about that. And for all we know it DID make her reaction worse. However her reaction shouldnt have been that bad to begin with.

ignoring your obvious bias.

if her reaction wouldnt have been that bad, which is flat out untrue based on all the lore in the game and most of the dialogue in her romance. why would she have to wear the suit at all? why would any of them?

from the quarian page on mass effect wiki.

"A quarian who wishes to remove their suit must take antibiotics,
immuno-boosters, herbal supplements, or the like in order to do so
safely, and even then there are inherent risks. As a result, physical
acts of affection are difficult for quarians, even for the purposes of
reproduction. Ships in the Migrant Fleet often contain "clean rooms"
where quarians can give birth or undergo medical procedures in relative
safety, though there are always risks. The most intimate thing quarians
can do is link their suit environments. However, doing so guarantees a
quarian will get sick, although they will usually adapt over time.
"

also. around 3:25ish.
www.youtube.com/watch

i mean, its REALLY inconsistant and breaks a bunch of the lore, and basic science.

you're telling me its a good romance? lol

also, about 1:35ish.
www.youtube.com/watch

Hey if you don't like tali romance don't do it. Why do you bother people who like it? Its not like your 'logic' is gonna change anything.

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

so, you're saying quarians wouldnt need to wear their suits on earth then? i think you're grasping at straws here lol.

Possibly, however there likely turians ect. on earth so there are likely dextro germs there as well. So why take the risk?

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 06:05 .

[Angmir]

Clonedzero wrote...

Quole wrote...

Assuming you are not trolling.... no, it just means she does not understand how the immune system works. Nothing lore breaking about that. And for all we know it DID make her reaction worse. However her reaction shouldnt have been that bad to begin with.

ignoring your obvious bias.

if her reaction wouldnt have been that bad, which is flat out untrue based on all the lore in the game and most of the dialogue in her romance. why would she have to wear the suit at all? why would any of them?

from the quarian page on mass effect wiki.

"A quarian who wishes to remove their suit must take antibiotics,
immuno-boosters, herbal supplements, or the like in order to do so
safely, and even then there are inherent risks. As a result, physical
acts of affection are difficult for quarians, even for the purposes of
reproduction. Ships in the Migrant Fleet often contain "clean rooms"
where quarians can give birth or undergo medical procedures in relative
safety, though there are always risks. The most intimate thing quarians
can do is link their suit environments. However, doing so guarantees a
quarian will get sick, although they will usually adapt over time.
"

also. around 3:25ish.
www.youtube.com/watch

i mean, its REALLY inconsistant and breaks a bunch of the lore, and basic science.

you're telling me its a good romance? lol

also, about 1:35ish.
www.youtube.com/watch

It means t5hey cant do IT outdoors or whenever they fill like it - it just meansn they have to prepare the plase beforehand. When the place is relatively germ safe, and Tali gets used to Shepard - they can certainly do it evry once in a while. Sure no sex maratones over whole week in bed or spontaineous quicie while fixing dinner, but no risking lives if they take it seriusly.

[Mykel54]

Look the own game says how weak quarian´s inmune systems are constantly, and even Tali says how risky having physical sex with shepard is. What annoys me is how this is blatantly disregarded the moment that Tali brings up the inmuno boosters, as if they could fix everything and reduce the risk to zero. In my opinion it simply doesn´t make sense to risk the health of a crew member (and possible lover) just before a critical mission that needs to be successful, and have everyone at their best.

 If the game were coherent then having sex with Tali before the suicide mission would have some kind of negative consequence during the mission. Instead the games ignores all the previous information about risks and even death, to give players a happy ending. I don´t think happy endings are bad per se, but i believe Tali´s romance would have been a lot more interesting and unique if the player had to go throught certain limitations (like those that romance Thane have to deal with Kepral´s syndrome, or Miranda´s one has to deal with she being barren, etc.) I believe those things add to the game and i am disappointed how every risk was handwaved as soon as Tali brought up the inmuno-boosters.

Hey if you don't like tali romance don't do it. Why do you bother people
who like it? Its not like your 'logic' is gonna change anything.

He has the right to voice his opinion, if you don´t have anything to add to the dicussion then simply leave this thread.

Modifié par Mykel54, 11 août 2011 - 07:23 .

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

so, you're saying quarians wouldnt need to wear their suits on earth then? i think you're grasping at straws here lol.

and im not trolling. im just pointing out the numerous flaws in its conception. thats all. the thread is about what good reasons are there to romance tali. im showing that the romance is extremely illogical and inconsistant.

im allowed to disagree and not be a troll you know.... <_< but i guess if you wanna play that card since ive provided plenty of evidence, i guess its your only real move.

No, you are ignoring everything Im saying and denying that it makes perfect sense. All the evidence you have brought up, I have disproved. This leads me to believe that you either: arent reading my posts, dont understand them, or are just trolling. So which is it?

I also like how you completely ignored everything else I said with that post, and only focused on me calling you a troll, and then going on to say that you have somehow proven your case. Absolutley ridiculous.

I have decided to stop this argument, as you clearly do not have the intelligence to comprehend what Im saying, or you are trolling, either way, this discussion is over.

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 08:20 .

[Xeranx]

Mykel54 wrote...

Look the own game says how weak quarian´s inmune systems are constantly, and even Tali says how risky having physical sex with shepard is. What annoys me is how this is blatantly disregarded the moment that Tali brings up the inmuno boosters, as if they could fix everything and reduce the risk to zero. In my opinion it simply doesn´t make sense to risk the health of a crew member (and possible lover) just before a critical mission that needs to be successful, and have everyone at their best.

Just wanted to note that I agree that there isn't any sense to engage in physical contact before a mission that could likely endanger everyone on the mission.  However, the situation as it is presented would be the same if Shepard were Quarian instead of Human.  There was no distinction made about there being an impossibility for Tali and Shepard to have physical contact.  The barriers mentioned would exist for both.  It was even mentioned that Turians and Quarians could get it on.  How much of that really means anything I don't know as that's the same place they introduce that Asari look different to everyone despite the fact that the first game dismisses that garbage outright if not with Liara being trapped on Therum then with the Thorian using Shiala to make avatars to attack you.

If the game were coherent then having sex with Tali before the suicide mission would have some kind of negative consequence during the mission. Instead the games ignores all the previous information about risks and even death, to give players a happy ending. I don´t think happy endings are bad per se, but i believe Tali´s romance would have been a lot more interesting and unique if the player had to go throught certain limitations (like those that romance Thane have to deal with Kepral´s syndrome, or Miranda´s one has to deal with she being barren, etc.) I believe those things add to the game and i am disappointed how every risk was handwaved as soon as Tali brought up the inmuno-boosters.

Tali's condition is at least a limitation that can be overcome as it applies to her race as well.  It's been expressed as much several times over that Quarians would have to adapt to each other and can do so.  It's also referenced by Grunt that Quarians are actually a tough race.  They may not be built like Turians, but they're hardy people. 

Since the condition of the Quarians gives them symptoms which manifest in being sick I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning immuno-boosters.  I think something along those lines were mentioned in the first game.  Tali mentions shots and such that have to be taken before a Quarian goes on pilgrimmage.  I don't think anything came out of left field there

So yes, any kind of physical contact before the mission should have introduced a consequence that could be dire for her, Shepard, or the entire crew.  And if the game were largely coherent we wouldn't get too many errors to the point we don't know what source to trust: Samara saying there are only three Ardat Yakshi in existence and then saying if she finds any more elsewhere some time later indicating that her previous statement was false, the Turian on the Citadel mentioning an Ardat Yakshi monastary (again indicating that Samara's previous statement was false), and the codex saying that Ardat Yakshi aren't exactly rare or as rare as Samara indicates.  Asari looking like different races to each different race when that was not the case in the first game (didn't mention it before but have to mention Avina and the Asari councilor in the video feed).  Thermal clips developed within the last two years, but the Gernsback has them though the ship and the crew were lost for 10 years.  Yeah...I think people are slowly coming to the realization about what isn't up to snuff in the game, but that's for another discussion.

[mauro2222]

Mykel54 wrote...

Hey if you don't like tali romance don't do it. Why do you bother people
who like it? Its not like your 'logic' is gonna change anything.

He has the right to voice his opinion, if you don´t have anything to add to the dicussion then simply leave this thread.

He didn`t say anything wrong... you misunderstood what he wrote.
Yes he has the right, but he hasn`t the right to start fights, which is clearly the only thing that he does.

Modifié par mauro2222, 11 août 2011 - 08:53 .

[Clonedzero]

Quole wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

so, you're saying quarians wouldnt need to wear their suits on earth then? i think you're grasping at straws here lol.

and im not trolling. im just pointing out the numerous flaws in its conception. thats all. the thread is about what good reasons are there to romance tali. im showing that the romance is extremely illogical and inconsistant.

im allowed to disagree and not be a troll you know.... <_< but i guess if you wanna play that card since ive provided plenty of evidence, i guess its your only real move.

No, you are ignoring everything Im saying and denying that it makes perfect sense. All the evidence you have brought up, I have disproved. This leads me to believe that you either: arent reading my posts, dont understand them, or are just trolling. So which is it?

I also like how you completely ignored everything else I said with that post, and only focused on me calling you a troll, and then going on to say that you have somehow proven your case. Absolutley ridiculous.

I have decided to stop this argument, as you clearly do not have the intelligence to comprehend what Im saying, or you are trolling, either way, this discussion is over.

what? im not ignoring your comments. in fact your comments are supporting me.
her taking immune boosting medications would make it MORE dangerous. yet you hand wave this away like it means nothing?
you havent disproved anything, you've only SUPPORTED me by showing how illogical the whole thing is and how inconsistant it is.

im not trolling. i understand your posts  because it helped me make some points and im most certainly reading them since you're backing me up. immune boosting drugs. non-dextro based germs cause allergic reactions. her boosting her immune system would make the already life threatening allergic reactions worse. therefore it doesnt make any sense.

you've done nothing to disprove any of my points. yet you continue to call me a troll for no reason. which i dont understand, maybe you're frustrated that you're only hurting your case so you lash out and call me a troll? i dunno. but you're clearly getting upset and starting to insult me which shows your maturity. i wasnt trying to be mean, but i guess you are. grow up alittle.

[gamer_girl]

I have yet to see a really good reason to not romance Tali haha. There's more to relationships than sex and procreation.

[Clonedzero]

mauro2222 wrote...


He didn`t say anything wrong... you misunderstood what he wrote.
Yes he has the right, but he hasn`t the right to start fights, which is clearly the only thing that he does.

im not fighting anyone. i was merely providing evidence for my opinion, as in backing up my point. whats wrong with that? cus the guy got really upset f or no real reason? im not being rude. what is with the hostility on BSN lately.

if your opinion is remotely different from someone they go into blackout rage mode and start calling you a troll and insulting you. its ridiculous.

[mauro2222]

Clonedzero wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...


He didn`t say anything wrong... you misunderstood what he wrote.
Yes he has the right, but he hasn`t the right to start fights, which is clearly the only thing that he does.

im not fighting anyone. i was merely providing evidence for my opinion, as in backing up my point. whats wrong with that? cus the guy got really upset f or no real reason? im not being rude. what is with the hostility on BSN lately.

if your opinion is remotely different from someone they go into blackout rage mode and start calling you a troll and insulting you. its ridiculous.

You are eager to show your pride and you clearly know what was going to start when you first wrote "is lore-breaking". I do not approve none of the reactions.

Modifié par mauro2222, 11 août 2011 - 09:22 .

[Drone223]

gamer_girl wrote...

I have yet to see a really good reason to not romance Tali haha. There's more to relationships than sex and procreation.

100% correct the important aspect of a relationship between people is steady development of feelings between two people, thats how the Tali romance build up should have been done

[Ace Attorney]

If you think a relationship is just about sex, you don't know anything about relationships.
/Topic Over

[shepskisaac]

T3hAnubis wrote...

If you think a relationship is just about sex, you don't know anything about relationships.
/Topic Over

At the same time, if you think there can be a relationship without sex at ll, you don't know anything about relationships either.
/Topic Over

[Ace Attorney]

IsaacShep wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

If you think a relationship is just about sex, you don't know anything about relationships.
/Topic Over

At the same time, if you think there can be a relationship without sex at ll, you don't know anything about relationships either.
/Topic Over

In fact, they can. Platonic Love exists. But that doesn't partain Shepard and Tali as they can have, and for some did, sexual contact. Your point is?

[Weltea]

For Renegade Shepard I'd say the reason to romance Tali is to get laid. She already is worshipping the ground he walks on and is thus easy
For Paragon Shepard I don't think it makes any sense at all....because even if Shepards in love with her,even if  he doesn't care that she's willing to endanger her live for a schoolgirl crush,even if he doesn't care that he's her friend and pretty much her family and that as her Captain he has some responsibility there is still the fact that her getting sick could endanger all teammates which could lead to failing the mission...

[mauro2222]

Weltea wrote...

For Renegade Shepard I'd say the reason to romance Tali is to get laid. She already is worshipping the ground he walks on and is thus easy
For Paragon Shepard I don't think it makes any sense at all....because even if Shepards in love with her,even if  he doesn't care that she's willing to endanger her live for a schoolgirl crush,even if he doesn't care that he's her friend and pretty much her family and that as her Captain he has some responsibility there is still the fact that her getting sick could endanger all teammates which could lead to failing the mission...

Worshipping the ground he walks on xD oh dear you made my day.

Modifié par mauro2222, 11 août 2011 - 11:19 .

[Goneaviking]

Clonedzero wrote...
]ignoring your obvious bias.

if her reaction wouldnt have been that bad, which is flat out untrue based on all the lore in the game and most of the dialogue in her romance. why would she have to wear the suit at all? why would any of them?

from the quarian page on mass effect wiki.

"A quarian who wishes to remove their suit must take antibiotics,
immuno-boosters, herbal supplements, or the like in order to do so
safely, and even then there are inherent risks. As a result, physical
acts of affection are difficult for quarians, even for the purposes of
reproduction. Ships in the Migrant Fleet often contain "clean rooms"
where quarians can give birth or undergo medical procedures in relative
safety, though there are always risks. The most intimate thing quarians
can do is link their suit environments. However, doing so guarantees a
quarian will get sick, although they will usually adapt over time.
"
[skip]

Which all goes along with the notion that as far as Tali is concerned what she risks isn't too far away from what she would have had to put up with if she'd shacked up with a quarian instead. Except without the possibility of pregnancy or the risk of STDs.

Given that quarians haven't stopped procreating it seems likely they've figured out how to minimise the risks and that they'd have a fairly good understanding of what they can do to minimise whatever risks they face. We even know from eavesdropping on Ilium that Tali isn't even the first qarian to get into relationships with humans or other aliens.

So if players like the Tali romance it's not much more implausible than shacking up with any of the other available aliens.

[Soccer FeverMan]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

There is no good reason honestly, with all the other LI (with except of Thane) your Shepard will have had more intimate contact in one year than and Shepard with Tali will in like 5+years.

Don't gimme the bullcrap that "oh since they do it so rarely it'll be special each time", and the other sh*t where people say physical contact isn't all that important to a relation ship cuz it is.

My friend as shallow as he may sound dumped his girl seeing how they they did it every other week

Tell me again how important physical contact is to me again... Also you do know you aren't actually touching any of these characters, right?

Thanks mr./mrs. obvious im aware of that ...plus im not necessarily applying to you im applying it to the broad spectrum my bad if you happen to be an exception but i don't wanna get into a diccusion i just kinda wanted to put my 2 cents

[Weiser_Cain]

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

There is no good reason honestly, with all the other LI (with except of Thane) your Shepard will have had more intimate contact in one year than and Shepard with Tali will in like 5+years.

Don't gimme the bullcrap that "oh since they do it so rarely it'll be special each time", and the other sh*t where people say physical contact isn't all that important to a relation ship cuz it is.

My friend as shallow as he may sound dumped his girl seeing how they they did it every other week

Tell me again how important physical contact is to me again... Also you do know you aren't actually touching any of these characters, right?

Thanks mr./mrs. obvious im aware of that ...plus im not necessarily applying to you im applying it to the broad spectrum my bad if you happen to be an exception but i don't wanna get into a diccusion i just kinda wanted to put my 2 cents

Oh, so you were talking about everyone but me, that makes sense...

[Dean_the_Young]

Mykel54 wrote...

Look the own game says how weak quarian´s inmune systems are constantly, and even Tali says how risky having physical sex with shepard is. What annoys me is how this is blatantly disregarded the moment that Tali brings up the inmuno boosters, as if they could fix everything and reduce the risk to zero. In my opinion it simply doesn´t make sense to risk the health of a crew member (and possible lover) just before a critical mission that needs to be successful, and have everyone at their best.

Actually, I'd disagree that she ever implied that it could bring the risk to zero.

Rather, she diminished the risk but was still willing to proceed despite the still-present risk.

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Your position is a solid one for a commanding officer, but don't make it out to be anything more than technicality. Tali and Shepard are flawed people.

They are also still soldiers (for the intent and purposes). We don't evaluate people by the measure of what they are: that's instant mediocracy.

The standard to measure Shepard by is that of a commanding officer. If he fails it... well, Shepard's claim to being an awesome leader was always TIM's flattery rather than by virtue of demonstrating it for the viewers. Shepard's a cool enough friend some of the times, but far from an ideal soldier or leader or person.

Besides, they're both dead anyway either way. Might as well enjoy themselves before the end comes.

See, here's the thing though: if it was 'just' that it might give her a case of the death, that would be one thing.

But Tali's at more than a possible risk of dying: she's at a nearly guaranteed risk of suffering reactions that would decrease her ability to function. Which, in fact, is what happens in the post-mission romance dialogue. Her getting sick is more than a matter of life or death: it's a matter of her being at the top of her game and able to do her job.

They may die regardless, but between dying and accomplishing the mission and dying and willfully handicapping yourself...

Albeit another argument that I haven't seen brought up is this:

Why do they need to do it right before the Suicide Mission? Why not do it a few days before instead of a few hours?

The answer is dramatic effect, but none-the-less.

Also, they didn't know when exactly they were going to do it. The abduction rather threw away the original timeline. Jumbled it up.

Of course, doing it a few days before only gives more time for the reaction to sit in and diminish her ability.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 13 août 2011 - 12:31 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Geez, this thread is STILL up?

Okay, look, I romanced Tali in ME2 with my Male Shepard because, she, to me, was the most desirable ME2 romance. I already grew to adore Tali as a person in ME1, she was funny, quirky and wasn't afraid to shove a shotgun in your mouth.

Tali trusts Shepard greatly after everything he has done, similar to Liara and Ashley, and it isn't out of the question she eventually grows feelings for him. Her greatest show of trust was for Male Shepard to see her face and to have sexual actions with her skin on skin rather than through nerve stims. It happened just before the suicide mission because there was no garantee they were coming back, they wanted to do something without any regrets.

Quarian immunity is SEVERALLY overexagerated as well, similar to the 'allergic reactions' thing if you hook up with Garrus. Even Tali herself said it's a shot in the dark, she can either walk away with just a mild fever or she can die. And what do you know, SHE DIDN'T DIE.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 13 août 2011 - 06:55 .

[xXljoshlXx]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

 It happened just before the suicide mission because there was no garantee they were coming back, they wanted to do something without any regrets.

Yeah but as Dean so finely put it your willing to compromise the mission just to do it? Sounds like that could pop up lots of regrets...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
But Tali's at more than a possible risk of dying: she's at a nearly guaranteed risk of suffering reactions that would decrease her ability to function. Which, in fact, is what happens in the post-mission romance dialogue. Her getting sick is more than a matter of life or death: it's a matter of her being at the top of her game and able to do her job.

They may die regardless, but between dying and accomplishing the mission and dying and willfully handicapping yourself...

LilyasAvalon wrote...
Quarian immunity is SEVERALLY overexagerated as well, similar to the 'allergic reactions' thing if you hook up with Garrus. Even Tali herself said it's a shot in the dark, she can either walk away with just a mild fever or she can die. And what do you know, SHE DIDN'T DIE.

Or she could handicap herself by getting an exetreme fever?

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 13 août 2011 - 07:14 .