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[aiDvEoN]

Kicking myself for forgetting to say this last time: all the problems inherent in a relationship with Tali just brings up one saying.

Amor vincit omnia

[Steppenwolf]

Arcian wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Hey, if the pie maker and Chuck can make it work in Pushing Daisies then why can't my Shepard make a romance with Tali work?

Because realism.

Video games.

[aiDvEoN]

@ Arcian

True, but within the conventions of a genre as inherently optimistic as space opera, its a lot more likely to hold true than it will out here in reality. And given that the Tali romance is already steeped in such idealism (with Shepard cast as the white knight and so on)...

[Steppenwolf]

Arcian wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Arcian wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Hey, if the pie maker and Chuck can make it work in Pushing Daisies then why can't my Shepard make a romance with Tali work?

Because realism.

Video games.

Suspension of disbelief.

You will suspend disbelief to accept Reapers and jedi-like powers that manipulate the very fabric of space, but a man loving a woman that he can't touch is too much?

[Wereparrot]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

It's difficult, but all things worth keeping are. She's cute, she's smart, funny and she ain't afraid to use her shot gun on you. What's NOT to love?

She's funny? Really? Forgive my disbelief; I fall asleep everytime I speak to her. 

[Iakus]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Little sister figure to me too. It was pretty obvious to me she was still a teen in ME1 (and from quarian POV she was until the Pilgrimage was over), so making her 24 in ME2 gave me the idea quarians mature slower than humans. There´s also that she reminds me of Mission Vao, who I tought of as Revan´s little sister figure.

Little sister here too.

I always liked Tali, and still do, but her sudden interest in Shep always came off as slightly creepy to me.  I shut her down as quickly (and politely) as I could

[stysiaq]

BasilKarlo wrote...


You will suspend disbelief to accept Reapers and jedi-like powers that manipulate the very fabric of space, but a man loving a woman that he can't touch is too much?

Shepard is not a man. He is a goddamn walking space sex machine.

That's why I'll never romance Garrus too with any FemShep. Mordins advice for FemShep is 'don't swallow'.

That's no Shepard!

[stysiaq]

Arcian wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

You will suspend disbelief to accept Reapers and jedi-like powers that manipulate the very fabric of space, but a man loving a woman that he can't touch is too much?

Yes. That's because Reapers and dark energy-Jedis are consistent with Mass Effect's internal parameters of realism, whereas Shepard and Tali's relationship, based on a previously non-existent desire that physically harmful to at least one part of the relationship of "love", is not.

Let me draw parallels: Tali sleeping with Shepard is like a woman sleeping with a guy that has HIV. Both cases present a great health risk. You could prepare with antibiotics/condoms, but the risk is still there. No sensible person would take that risk.

That said, not everyone is a sensible person. This is especially true in reality. The thing to note here is that what's unrealistic is not the physical relationship (as it happens pretty much all the time), but the notion that love can overcome any obstacle and that the risk is worth it. Almost all forms of storytelling mediums suffer from this because a grand majority of humanity is stuck with the preconceptions that love is somehow important in the grand scheme of things, and because people confuse physical attraction and an active libido with love.

I agree with this. As far as I remember, Shepard can express his concerns about making physical contact, but in the end there are practically no consequences of doing so. In ME1 the quarians were presented like a species with permament space-AIDS. It was something, that I found to be quite intriguing, unfortunately it was half-abandoned for the sake of giving the fans opportunity for a sexual intercourse with their favorite. I'm not saying it's very bad; I got the feeling that BioWare simply 'weakend' this immune system issue in ME2. I think they could do a little bit more to justify it, not just keep their mouth shut though.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I honestly don't see any valid reason.

Unless you want get rid of her through snu-snu, the Ardat-Yakshi way.

[badmojo88]

Hmm... losts of back and forth on this topic I see. Well on the topic of why to romance Tali I'd have to say she is by far my favorite option, though staying with Liara was also a great pick for where I was going with my character. I also roll through the game many times to have saves with different outcomes, I like to see what effects it produces in the next games ie; evil shep girl with Liara, good shep girl with garris, good shep male with tali and so on.  For my paragon main though I went with Tali for a few reasons; one, trust, Tali is a char who fought beside you throughout the first game, and in the second joins you as soon as she is able, unlike a few others that shall remain nameless (for this reason garris is a good choice for female sheps)  two, personality, with my paragon male in mass effect 1 he leaned towards Liara, for at that time she seemed kind and somewhat gentle, however in me2 she did sadly change in this which from a characters point of view may or may not lead them to go their own ways (thus why I have multi sheps)  Tali on the other hand has a quiet strength to her, soft spoken much of the time but also can stand up and fight when needed, it leads to her character, to me at least, seem a fine choice for a paragon male shep. Three, no contact and masked, the first post on this forum raises a good set of points however misses one very important one, the "no contact and hidden face" issue with Tali gives a certain primal allure to the character, if intended or no Tali is a classic style "forbidden fruit" character and people in reallife or fantasy will forever be drawn to that which they cannot have, some see it as a challange to their beleaf that "love can overcome anything, as I beleave. Others see it as a challange to themselves personally thinking that they can find a way to out smart the issue or so on, Whatever the reasons the allure remains, and that which some see as a deturrent is in truth one of the main reasons to be drawn to the character in a romance.   On a personaly note; I do infact hope in part 3 Tali is able to not need the mask, ie; the geth and quarian finally make piece and work together to find a cure or so on. however this is not due to the romance but do to the fact that she is unable to enjoy things we would take for granted, lets see....I think thats enough out of me....wow long rant this time, hope that answers the original question somewhat.

[xXljoshlXx]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I honestly don't see any valid reason.

Unless you want get rid of her through snu-snu, the Ardat-Yakshi way.

I actually thought about making a playthrough just for that was gonna go through with it 

[goofyomnivore]

Lots of good reasons. Every character has its appeal. I personally don't like the romance, and find it isn't realistic. This is a video game however, and you can twist it however you want to create a good story for you and your Shepard. Some may even find the unrealistic qualities appealing/exotic to the relationship.

Modifié par strive, 09 août 2011 - 02:48 .

[DoNotIngest]

Why would you make an account on a game forum with no customization and a suspicious user name and make an inflammatory thread about said game's most popular character directly afterwards?

Trololololol

I'm climbin' in yo Windows, messin' yo trollin' up.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 09 août 2011 - 02:48 .

[ArcticMan94]

Arcian wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

It's probably because she is the most visibly attracted to Shepard. The whole giddy thing when you talk to her is quite funny and cute lol.

Personally, I just get bad vibes. I have friends who have dated clingy girls like that, and they have ALWAYS regretted it afterwards. Me, I don't make mistakes like that. I'm too awesome.

Plus, Tali's like my annoying-but-technologically-brilliant-and-therefore-useful-to-have-around-little sister. Off-limits, man, off-limits.

I know how you feel, man.

[Siansonea]

Hey look, it's a troll topic. <_<

People romance Tali because they like her, because they want to, and because all of these "obstacles" don't matter when playing a video game. It's not like the player actually has to put forth any effort to pursue any of these romances, they just happen in the natural course of the game.

And when it comes to fictional characters, being overly concerned about their "welfare" is probably not healthy.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 09 août 2011 - 03:01 .

[badmojo88]

In reply to the issue of realism in the romance issue, For starters the true point some people ignore is that people do not want nor need realism, series become legends because they are larger than life, which is why the archtypes exist in the first place, for all the amount people talk about things being unrealistic the sad point if all stories were so there would be no games outside of toned down modern age games, no fantasy nor sci-fi, For another point, in reallife romance is often found in trying times of conflict, it is a point seen throughout history, the war of the roses and so on, people tend to try to find kinships and closeness where ever they can in those moments where life and death seem to hang by a thread ....wow another long rant....forgive me...too much coffie too much coffie