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[Mondo47]

What good reasons are there to romance any of the characters? None. It's all optional. Added colour to the story, added emotional investment, added resonance, sure. But none of it is a requirement to saving the galaxy from the Reapers. People can come on to you, and much like in reality, you can reciprocate or turn them down.

But if you were to romance Tali or anyone for that matter in the game, it would be based mainly on personal choice. If you want your Shep to have a relationship with Tali, I guess you'd have to find aspects of the character appealing yourself unless you're a completist trying to hit every variable in the game. So for Tail, I'd suppose you'd have to like someone who is a little soft around the edges, girlish, maybe a little inexperienced, but on the whole someone that is more or less completely sweet and cuddly (genocidal anti-machine politics notwithstanding) in a good way, and has very shiny eyes and a cute accent.

The physical barriers are fairly meaningless considering if they are careful and make allowances for physical differences and needs, it would be no more "impossible" than a relationship between someone who is able-bodied and someone who is disabled. As in, not impossible at all. Perhaps not always easy, but who said good things had to be easy, eh? Think about a romance with Jack - you'd have to be patient and like a little friction, but she's neither impossible nor implausable to want to become involved with. Or Garrus... there chafing has to be the least of the issues - his face looks like it can shear parts of yours off, and that armor-plated body can't be comfortable, and who knows what turian/human genital compatability is even like (and there but for the grace of God I go), but once again, there is no reason why a relationship with someone whose junk might be shaped like a claw hammer or someone that on the surface appears to be a completly confrontational murderous mess would not work, flourish or become some monumental burden to Shepard. Because in the end, you discover Jack has a soft, vulnerable side that wants affection, and for all the chafing with Garrus, well, Mordin has ointment. Everyone has their issues: Jack's anger and personal damage, Tali's physical requirements, Thane's terminal illness, Miranda's emotional aloofness, Jacob's crappy chat-up lines, Kaidan's wishy-washy new-man routine, Kelly's complete lack of personality (ok, I'm being mean, but still...), etc. There aren't any total barriers if you don't allow them to exist to begin with.

You could ask this question about all the love interests in the game. And because everyone likes what they like, you'll get a couple of dozen good reasons to do it, and a couple of dozen why not to. It's up to what you think of the character in the end. Or just don't get involved with anyone and get on with that serious business of saving the universe like a good intergalactic hero-type.

But if you want someone to cuddle along the way, Tali's as good as anyone else (if diving gear is your thing, anyways).

[BatmanPWNS]

Since it's a game and Bioware decided that you can have sex with other species and screwed the ME1 logic. So I decided if they can screw it then might as well go along with it.

Beside her personality and the trust she had with Shep won me over.

[Agamo45]

There are none. The Tali romance plays out like a bad fanfiction- "I've ALWAYS loved you Shepard"..Really?

[The Twilight God]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

For those who have their Shepard romance Tali, i want to ask is why?  Why create a romance in ME2 with tali?  Do you want stress to be put on your Shepard.  After all, you are picking a romance that has HUGE OBSTICLES, and the fact that if they continue this romance, they can not make in a habit in having contact with one another (whether it is sex, kissing, or Shephard just touching her skin),this  just makes it even worse.  And if you think about it, the longer it gets, the more stress would be put on Shepard and Tali.  So what is the point?  Because even if you decide to romance Tali in ME2, and carry it over into ME3, and Tali and Shepard survive ME3, it would be a miracle if they could continue a long lasting relationship.

Well, it's a video game so there are no obstacles to any of the relationships from the player's prespective. 

Quarians get allergic reactions to each other when they procreate. They link suits and build up a resistance to each other. If Tali stayed with Shepard in a clean room and adapted to human bacteria they could at least be intimate in clean rooms. Not that sex is the most important part of a relationship.

[Alamar2078]

I'm a Tali fan and as much as I'd want to disagree I think Arcian is bringing up a very good point.

If Tali really could die and Shep really cared for her I think it's justifiable to just tell Tali that it's too big of a risk. Because it's a video game though you're at liberty to push the envelope and imagine that "it's worth the risk".

Devil's Advocate: If Shep & Tali think there is a large chance of at least one of them not making it through the Suicide Mission I'd be willing to overlook a "silly risk".

[LaWoods]

So much hate for Tali. I hate Jacob. Every time some fangirl calls him the prize, I want to snap my own finger. But I won't bash them for it. Keep your biased opinions to yourselves, and stop acting like your on trial. People must decide between Liara,Ashely,Kaidan,Miranda,Tali,Jack,Jacob,Garrus,Thane, Kelly,Samara, and Morinth with EVEN MORE to come. Take your pick, and let others take theres. I can make a long list of each of those characters faults as well as good parts. There is no perfect choice. Take your pick, and let others do the same.

Modifié par LaWoods, 09 août 2011 - 09:51 .

[stysiaq]

Agamo45 wrote...

There are none. The Tali romance plays out like a bad fanfiction- "I've ALWAYS loved you Shepard"..Really?

Out of curiosity I just checked how does Talimance look...
well, lets say, that there is one less reason to romance her.

Quoted sentence so true. I'm happy that my current Shepard romances Jack.

[Alamar2078]

As for Tali's looks I've always imagined her as fugly [in human terms] or at best plain. I just can't see her as the hot-space-elf chick. YMMV.

Note: Tali is still my favorite romance so I'm not a hater.

[Xeranx]

For the physical aspect, there's no good reason for a romance. I hate the Tali romance because of the way she's made to act. I feel it's a stark contrast between what she was in the first game and what she is currently. I also dislike it for the emphasis it places on the physical aspect of a romance. At that point it's all about sex rather than about the bond between two people.

The romance should have been carried out in a manner that reflects the way things are between Tali and Shepard. For lack of a better example it's the case of a blind individual being romantically linked to a person wheelchair bound who can't feel anything below the waist. Sex is not impossible, but the method to perform the act could be very unwieldy. At that point what do the two involved do? Forget about the relationship because they can't have sex or focus on the actual relationship and see what comes of it.

Unfortunately, as I said, the romance focuses heavily on sex and not on actual romance where it's focus should be.

Modifié par Xeranx, 09 août 2011 - 10:46 .

[Clonedzero]

i honestly cant think of a good reason lol

[Eyerock]

Xeranx wrote...

For the physical aspect, there's no good reason for a romance. I hate the Tali romance because of the way she's made to act. I feel it's a stark contrast between what she was in the first game and what she is currently. I also dislike it for the emphasis it places on the physical aspect of a romance. At that point it's all about sex rather than about the bond between two people.

The romance should have been carried out in a manner that reflects the way things are between Tali and Shepard. For lack of a better example it's the case of a blind individual being romantically linked to a person wheelchair bound who can't feel anything below the waist. Sex is not impossible, but the method to perform the act could be very unwieldy. At that point what do the two involved do? Forget about the relationship because they can't have sex or focus on the actual relationship and see what comes of it.

Unfortunately, as I said, the romance focuses heavily on sex and not on actual romance where it's focus should be.

Well, ALL the romances in bioware games focuses heavily on sex. In fact both Miranda's and Garrus' romances didn't start out with "I love you" as much as it did "You want to have a tumble?"

I think the developers took it for granted that a romantic relationship would involve the physical aspect, and honestly who doesn't? You do find relationships without sex in the real world too, but you have to admit that the thought is very old-fashion and (pardon me) prudish. And even if they wanted to "take time" with their relationship you have to take the suicide mission in consideration. In less than 24 hours they might all be dead, so what the hell does Tali care if she get mono? She want to spend her last hours with Shepard as intimately as one can get, fever be damned, and one should respect her choice. 

[AnAccountWithNoName]

stysiaq wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

There are none. The Tali romance plays out like a bad fanfiction- "I've ALWAYS loved you Shepard"..Really?

Out of curiosity I just checked how does Talimance look...
well, lets say, that there is one less reason to romance her.

Quoted sentence so true. I'm happy that my current Shepard romances Jack.

Of course Jack comes with other.....problems.  At least Tali isn't a psychopath.

Actually imo, a romance between Jack and Shepard is just as bad as one with Tali, if not worse.  Why would Shepard go for someone who has done so many "sins" in the past, that includes monsterous actions?

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 09 août 2011 - 11:33 .

[Quole]

Arcian wrote...

Quole wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Quole wrote...

Dont deny it.

I AM denying it.

But you CANT deny it.

I don't know, my denial gauge is rising steadily.

Not enough though.

[Captain_Obvious]

I never romanced her in any of my playthroughs. She's too kid-sisterish for my taste.

[Quole]

Why was this not asked in the Tali thread? Why are there always new threads about Tali? Seriously, theres a thread dedicated to every character.

Modifié par Quole, 09 août 2011 - 11:54 .

[darthnick427]

Well i'd say Tali's romance is for players who enjoy the shy, kind, friend that you never realized had feelings for you. There's almost always a romance option like that in Bioware games these days. Plus it's a romance that's based sole on inner beauty since you never see her face. So to answer your question, people who romance tali do it because they generally like the character.

[Xeranx]

Eyerock wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

For the physical aspect, there's no good reason for a romance. I hate the Tali romance because of the way she's made to act. I feel it's a stark contrast between what she was in the first game and what she is currently. I also dislike it for the emphasis it places on the physical aspect of a romance. At that point it's all about sex rather than about the bond between two people.

The romance should have been carried out in a manner that reflects the way things are between Tali and Shepard. For lack of a better example it's the case of a blind individual being romantically linked to a person wheelchair bound who can't feel anything below the waist. Sex is not impossible, but the method to perform the act could be very unwieldy. At that point what do the two involved do? Forget about the relationship because they can't have sex or focus on the actual relationship and see what comes of it.

Unfortunately, as I said, the romance focuses heavily on sex and not on actual romance where it's focus should be.

Well, ALL the romances in bioware games focuses heavily on sex. In fact both Miranda's and Garrus' romances didn't start out with "I love you" as much as it did "You want to have a tumble?"

I think the developers took it for granted that a romantic relationship would involve the physical aspect, and honestly who doesn't? You do find relationships without sex in the real world too, but you have to admit that the thought is very old-fashion and (pardon me) prudish. And even if they wanted to "take time" with their relationship you have to take the suicide mission in consideration. In less than 24 hours they might all be dead, so what the hell does Tali care if she get mono? She want to spend her last hours with Shepard as intimately as one can get, fever be damned, and one should respect her choice. 

If this were anyone else - well maybe in Garrus' case 'Do not ingest' comes to mind - I wouldn't mention it.  Relationships without sex in the real world aren't on the same level as relationships where sex is a futile attempt which is why I gave the example I did.  So while there are some cases in which abstaining from sex can be called prudish, I would mark it prudential in regards to Tali's situation.

Taking the suicide mission into consideration you know that you need everyone in top form.  So Tali may not get sick right away, but what happens if she gets sick sometime after when it becomes imperative that she have her "A" game?  Or maybe when they think they've completed the mission and find themselves up against something that they didn't imagine would be possible.  I'm asking anyone to forget the writing that was present because the writers wrote the story knowing what the ending was and look at it objectively.  Anything that serves to undermine forces brought to bear against the enemy should be avoided as much as possible.  

The amount of time Tali spent worrying about pre-emptive treatments to not get sick...I mean the way she went about it seemed to make it appear that she could wind up deathly ill which is another minus for the way she was written in my book.  Certainly not looking at the situation maturely, but whatever.  The amount of time Tali spent trying to find ways to minimize any discomfort she may have after spending the night in Shepard's cabin could have been used to maximize anything that could generate a more positive result for the mission as a whole.  Instead all that energy is wasted on getting ready for sex.  Huh?  And erring on the idea of being dead soon so why not is about as negative an attitude as you can have about the situation.  It's for that reason that I don't agree with over half the "loyalty missions" in the game.  They don't make sense and serve to diminish what's there.  The only one I give any credence to is Grunt's.  All others can be settled if we make it back.  And coming back to Tali's expended energy just to have sex, that would be enough cause for concern, but that would deal with becoming romantically involved with subordinates anyway and is best left for another discussion.

One of the first things Tali said once she got on the ship was that she'd give Shepard a grenade.  She has grenades?  She could have worked to amplify their destructive power for the suicide mission.  I mean, we've gone to how many different worlds.  We could have salvaged so much to make powerful explosives that could have been used at key points.  Maybe should could have kept the housing and create mini EMP mines that might help out anyone who goes through the vents or anywhere else on the ship.  So much lip service paid to the resourcefulness of the Quarians and it's not even realized.  This is like watching Spider-man all over again and hearing about how much of a science wiz he is and being shown that he's not anything more than a geek.  It's very disappointing.

[lady_v23]

her personality is just lovable. and there still that dramatic yet idiotic hope that she will one day come to her senses and jump on Jane Shepards arms..it can happen...

[Sepewrath]

lol a romance with obstacles, I think that applies to just about every romance ever, whether in fiction or reality. There is no such thing as a relationship without challenges, whether it be physical, social or mental. Its no different than any other one.

[ScotGaymer]

At the risk of upsetting all Talimancers everywhere I have to say that in my opinion I felt like there was no reason to romance Tali.

She was like Shepards little sister to me. And her romance was just annoying.

I seriously disliked it because frankly the established lore in ME1 was that dextro-DNA species like the Turians and Quarians mean that those species were sexually incompatible with humans and that sexual contact between them would result in serious consequences for the Quarians and Turians taking part.
This was partially reiterated by conversations with certain characters, and the codices.

For me I viewed it as an inexplicable retcon that made pretty much zero sense; especially since it was implemented in an incomplete way.

Some parts of the game would say Turians and Quarians having sex with Humans risk their very lives. Other parts of the game would say "oh they get a mild allergic reaction but its all good."

Made no sense whatsoever.

[Sepewrath]

The dextro-levo thing never made sense to begin with, it was just like trying to make aliens more alien. Also the lore indicates the danger of ingestion, basically levo/dextro in the opposites bloodstream, not that they cant touch each other. Just a heads up, when your having sex, thing shouldn't be coming off the other person and getting into your bloodstream.

[Golden Owl]

My Shep is romanceless (the right girl for him just hasn't become available yet)....But I can certainly understand the attraction to Tali, for manShep Tali is the only female LI character who fits an optimistic paragon....Plus she is the only one with whom love actually blossoms, she falls in love with Shep over time, much more natural and not so forced....not "Hello, nice to meet you....lets bonk, now we are devoted".

[elsaviour]

Tali is fun quirky and the issue with the lack of physical contact could easily be negated by about 30 minutes of work by a team of salarians no?

[ThanesSniper]

Golden Owl wrote...

My Shep is romanceless (the right girl for him just hasn't become available yet)....But I can certainly understand the attraction to Tali, for manShep Tali is the only female LI character who fits an optimistic paragon....Plus she is the only one with whom love actually blossoms, she falls in love with Shep over time, much more natural and not so forced....not "Hello, nice to meet you....lets bonk, now we are devoted".

Blossoms? The very first time I talked to her in ME2, she wanted to link suits with me. That was about as sudden as it can get.