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[Dean_the_Young]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I think Shepard and Tali's relationship will be mostly fine as long as they never want kids. Kids would really complicate things. That's true for any relationship, but especially in Tali and Shepard's unique case.

Though they could run into problems among the quarians. The quarians strike me as a very insular and even slightly xenophobic people. I don't know that most of them would approve of any quarian pairing with an alien for life. That's the kind of thing you do on your pilgrimage or if you live away from the fleet... and if you're a nobody.

Tali is important. She's a celebrity, she's nobility. I think they might expect her to marry a respected quarian man and have a child. She can't do that if she's with Shepard.

I also don't think they'd ever fully accept Shepard as one of their own. As a guest, sure, but not literally as one of them.

Quarians love to get in one each other's business after all.

Tali's love is the strongest heavy weapon in Shepard's arsenal.

Tali's love gun?

But, I thought she- was a she- and wouldn't-

Well, maybe it's not a gun. Maybe it's like, I don't know, a long shaft you beat people over the head with. Tali's Love, it will be called.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 10 août 2011 - 12:31 .

[Dean_the_Young]

A thought to throw out there.

While you never need a good reason to do a neutral action, you very much do need good reasons to justify taking real unnecessary risks.

[IndigoWolfe]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I think Shepard and Tali's relationship will be mostly fine as long as they never want kids. Kids would really complicate things. That's true for any relationship, but especially in Tali and Shepard's unique case.

Though they could run into problems among the quarians. The quarians strike me as a very insular and even slightly xenophobic people. I don't know that most of them would approve of any quarian pairing with an alien for life. That's the kind of thing you do on your pilgrimage or if you live away from the fleet... and if you're a nobody.

Tali is important. She's a celebrity, she's nobility. I think they might expect her to marry a respected quarian man and have a child. She can't do that if she's with Shepard.

I also don't think they'd ever fully accept Shepard as one of their own. As a guest, sure, but not literally as one of them.

Quarians love to get in one each other's business after all.

Tali's love is the strongest heavy weapon in Shepard's arsenal.

Stephanie Meyer called; she wants her cheese back.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 10 août 2011 - 02:03 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well, she's hot and easy to get along with.

Plus some of us have... exotic tastes.

Well how do you know shes hot you haven't seen her face

[ChaplainTappman]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I think Shepard and Tali's relationship will be mostly fine as long as they never want kids. Kids would really complicate things. That's true for any relationship, but especially in Tali and Shepard's unique case.

Though they could run into problems among the quarians. The quarians strike me as a very insular and even slightly xenophobic people. I don't know that most of them would approve of any quarian pairing with an alien for life. That's the kind of thing you do on your pilgrimage or if you live away from the fleet... and if you're a nobody.

Tali is important. She's a celebrity, she's nobility. I think they might expect her to marry a respected quarian man and have a child. She can't do that if she's with Shepard.

I also don't think they'd ever fully accept Shepard as one of their own. As a guest, sure, but not literally as one of them.

Quarians love to get in one each other's business after all.

Tali was the character I romanced in my first playthrough of ME2. She's probably who I consider my "canon" LI. This has been, for a while, a concern of mine: what future do Tali and Shepard have, really? Tali would undoubtedly want a child, she'd see it as her duty to the quarian people. Does that mean Shepard would have to be okay with her sleeping with a quarian? I decided it quite possibly isn't an issue at all. We have no idea what options are available; Miranda was created without a mother, who's to say that there's no method of in vitro fertilisation between two mammalian species?

As for why I romanced her in the first place, the answer is the same for why I'd romance anyone, in game or the real world: I like her. That's probably unsatisfactory, but that's the nature of romance.

[ChaplainTappman]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
There's a lot to be said for this.


Ultimately, every decision to romance Tali to the end and sleep with her comes down to 'And I want to have sex now.' Not love: you could always try a non-physical relationship, or put it off later when the risk wouldn't risk a narrow-margin mission to protect millions. Not having sex in no way means you don't love her. But the key difference is that, yes, you want to bang her. Now.

'I wanted to bang her' has got to be one of those worst excuses of all time. It doesn't justify crime. It doesn't justify virtue. It doesn't justify a criminal act. It doesn't justify risking the lives of your partner and others. It doesn't justify risking such an important mission. All it justifies is satisfying your libido.

I mean, is impressing Jodie Foster really worth it?

The apex of responsibility isn't 'I want to, now.'

The problem with this argument is that you're assuming a rational decision. Love, by definition, is irrational. And physical attraction and lust are aspects of love. Is having sex with her right then the best decision? No, probably not. But love makes people do stupid things.

Also, two mutually attracted adults consumating their relationship is not even remotely analagous to a psychopath attempting to assassinate the President to impress a woman he's never met.

EDIT: Also, it's worth noting that Tali is a sapient adult, too. She could easily tell Shepard, "No, not now; it's too dangerous." In fact, if anything, the onus is even more on Tali than Shepard to make that call. She's the one taking the risk, she knows more about the risk and the steps she's taken to mitigate that risk.

Modifié par ChaplainTappman, 10 août 2011 - 04:21 .

[Doriath666]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...


Um.....ok.  So other romance opitions arn't easy to get along with?  Can you be more specific.

Compared to all the other romance options..Tali and Liara are the only good ones...Miranda is a ****....Ashley is to stuck up and xenophobic...and Jack is basically a woman covered in tattoos that acts like a 12 year old boy.

Tali is a great character,and even if it would "put stress on the relationship" like you say..Something would be worked out in the end anyways.

[Doriath666]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well let's see...

Liara's obsessive.

Jack is a complete lunatic.

Miranda is angsty.

Jacob is unfriendly.

Garrus is too busy.

Thane is... green.

Kaidan is dead.

Ashley likes to spew poetry... and I hate poetry.

This pretty much.

[xXljoshlXx]

[quote]Doriath666 wrote...


Compared to all the other romance options..Tali and Liara are the only good ones...Miranda is a ****....Ashley is to stuck up and xenophobic...and Jack is basically a woman covered in tattoos that acts like a 12 year old boy.

Tali is a great character,and even if it would "put stress on the relationship" like you say..Something would be worked out in the end anyways.[/quote]

Subjective 

That's not a good reason at all

Tali and Liara are the only good ones? Liara is obessed
Talis romance came out of nowhere and sounds creepy

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 10 août 2011 - 04:35 .

[xXljoshlXx]

Edit: Double Post

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 10 août 2011 - 04:36 .

[Xeranx]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

The problem with this argument is that you're assuming a rational decision. Love, by definition, is irrational. And physical attraction and lust are aspects of love. Is having sex with her right then the best decision? No, probably not. But love makes people do stupid things.

Also, two mutually attracted adults consumating their relationship is not even remotely analagous to a psychopath attempting to assassinate the President to impress a woman he's never met.

EDIT: Also, it's worth noting that Tali is a sapient adult, too. She could easily tell Shepard, "No, not now; it's too dangerous." In fact, if anything, the onus is even more on Tali than Shepard to make that call. She's the one taking the risk, she knows more about the risk and the steps she's taken to mitigate that risk.

If the person that you're involved with keeps bringing up aspects that remind you that there's a danger to going the physical route at what point does it continue to be a thing of 'love, by definition, is irrational' and not become "doing this is insane"?

Actually the onus is on Shepard.  Shepard is her leader, her rescuer, her rudder, and Tali gives Shepard chances to stop it.  It is Shepard's responsibility to handle this situation because it's his/her job to do so.  Tali's reaction to possible physical contact with Shepard is similar to Grunt's condition prior to his loyalty mission.  That feeling of restlessness  and wanting something to do about it badly creates the idea that the person in question is unstable.  And as you've expressed Tali is an adult as well.  So it should be easier to redirect her focus to something else unlike Grunt who could be a real handfull prior to the main mission if he's not told about why he feels as restless as he does.

[Doriath666]

Melrache wrote...

Oh yes he/she can. Miri's face is visible and quite pretty. Tali's however... Eeh.. It's hidden in a bowl like a fish, but the glass is darkened, clearly to hide something unpleasant. You can't deny it, you have no proof, I mean logically why something, that's pretty would be hidden? There's no reason... 

If tali has the face of Predator..i would not give a rats ass.

[Doriath666]

[quote]xXljoshlXx wrote...

[quote]Doriath666 wrote...


Compared to all the other romance options..Tali and Liara are the only good ones...Miranda is a ****....Ashley is to stuck up and xenophobic...and Jack is basically a woman covered in tattoos that acts like a 12 year old boy.

Tali is a great character,and even if it would "put stress on the relationship" like you say..Something would be worked out in the end anyways.[/quote]

Subjective 

That's not a good reason at all

Tali and Liara are the only good ones? Liara is obessed
Talis romance came out of nowhere and sounds creepy
[/quote]

Forgot to say Imo. and yeah Liara is obessed but still not near as bad of an LI as Ashley or MIranda.

[Melra]

Doriath666 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Oh yes he/she can. Miri's face is visible and quite pretty. Tali's however... Eeh.. It's hidden in a bowl like a fish, but the glass is darkened, clearly to hide something unpleasant. You can't deny it, you have no proof, I mean logically why something, that's pretty would be hidden? There's no reason... 

If tali has the face of Predator..i would not give a rats ass.

And that, for me, is sign of... sickness. But whatever floats your boat, I am sure scale itch isn't the only thing you'll be getting.

[Clonedzero]

also, aside from the whole it not making ANY sense biologically and logistically.
tali's romance also comes off as alittle creepy-pedo like considering before the romance dialogue popped up i always got a little sister type vibe from her.

[Doriath666]

Melrache wrote...

Doriath666 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Oh yes he/she can. Miri's face is visible and quite pretty. Tali's however... Eeh.. It's hidden in a bowl like a fish, but the glass is darkened, clearly to hide something unpleasant. You can't deny it, you have no proof, I mean logically why something, that's pretty would be hidden? There's no reason... 

If tali has the face of Predator..i would not give a rats ass.

And that, for me, is sign of... sickness. But whatever floats your boat, I am sure scale itch isn't the only thing you'll be getting.

www.google.com/imgres

[ThanesSniper]

Doriath666 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Doriath666 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Oh yes he/she can. Miri's face is visible and quite pretty. Tali's however... Eeh.. It's hidden in a bowl like a fish, but the glass is darkened, clearly to hide something unpleasant. You can't deny it, you have no proof, I mean logically why something, that's pretty would be hidden? There's no reason... 

If tali has the face of Predator..i would not give a rats ass.

And that, for me, is sign of... sickness. But whatever floats your boat, I am sure scale itch isn't the only thing you'll be getting.

www.google.com/imgres

Except Kelly doesn't have scales.

[Dean_the_Young]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
There's a lot to be said for this.


Ultimately, every decision to romance Tali to the end and sleep with her comes down to 'And I want to have sex now.' Not love: you could always try a non-physical relationship, or put it off later when the risk wouldn't risk a narrow-margin mission to protect millions. Not having sex in no way means you don't love her. But the key difference is that, yes, you want to bang her. Now.

'I wanted to bang her' has got to be one of those worst excuses of all time. It doesn't justify crime. It doesn't justify virtue. It doesn't justify a criminal act. It doesn't justify risking the lives of your partner and others. It doesn't justify risking such an important mission. All it justifies is satisfying your libido.

I mean, is impressing Jodie Foster really worth it?

The apex of responsibility isn't 'I want to, now.'

The problem with this argument is that you're assuming a rational decision. Love, by definition, is irrational. And physical attraction and lust are aspects of love. Is having sex with her right then the best decision? No, probably not. But love makes people do stupid things.

And you know what we call people who insist on doing stupid things that they know are, in fact, stupid to do at such a time?

Stupid.

Stupidity is not a good reason to do something, nor is an obligation on anyone's part to, in fact, indulge in stupidity by others. Love is irational, but Shepard and Tali are not. Billions of people every day handle the irrational feelings of love in rational, mature ways.

Indulging in love/lust to the detriment of others is no more heroic than indulging in alcohol.

Also, two mutually attracted adults consumating their relationship is not even remotely analagous to a psychopath attempting to assassinate the President to impress a woman he's never met.

Actually, it is. Particularly on the grounds of 'it is not smart.'

EDIT: Also, it's worth noting that Tali is a sapient adult, too. She could easily tell Shepard, "No, not now; it's too dangerous." In fact, if anything, the onus is even more on Tali than Shepard to make that call. She's the one taking the risk, she knows more about the risk and the steps she's taken to mitigate that risk.

And Shepard's job as a leader is to go 'you're doing something stupid at a time that could jepordize the mission. No.'

One person's failings does not pardon another's.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 10 août 2011 - 06:39 .

[mauro2222]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well, she's hot and easy to get along with.

Plus some of us have... exotic tastes.

Well how do you know shes hot you haven't seen her face

Uhmmm she has a body?

[mauro2222]

xXljoshlXx wrote...

Doriath666 wrote...

Tali and Liara are the only good ones? Liara is obessed
Talis romance came out of nowhere and sounds creepy

Well Tali romance is supossed to start on the original Normandy as a teen crush. Later, it develops to love.

Modifié par mauro2222, 10 août 2011 - 07:08 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Or rather an older teen crush.

[mauro2222]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or rather an older teen crush.

Yeah xD oh... mmm anybody knows how long a quarian can live?

[Weiser_Cain]

mauro2222 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or rather an older teen crush.

Yeah xD oh... mmm anybody knows how long a quarian can live?

I don't care if they only live 19 years, I'm not touching them until they hit 18.

[Clonedzero]

i bet she smells awful being in that suit all the time.

[Quole]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or rather an older teen crush.

she was 22 in ME1