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[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Arcian wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

@ Arcian

Love the Prothy theory!!!!! I hope it is in fact a reality in ME3, it would be the perfect way to end the trilogy.

That's cool, but you should really comment in the Prothy Thread instead of going off-topic here.

Yeah, I know lol. I'm currently reading everything.

But now it's back to topic everyone! Another aspect to why the reapers would be afraid of Shepard is... why would they try so hard to target him and humanity FIRST instead of the citadel like they have done so many times before, AND why do they keep trying to get Shepard to not fight them? Really? If they're ultimate beings and don't have to worry about being destroyed, then why try so hard to get Shepard to back off and accept his apparent fate?

[Kaiser Shepard]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

No one really knows what destroyed that reaper in the first place, it could have been a myriad of reasons, which is why I excluded it.

Did you just not listen to the dialogue?  We know exactly what killed it: a huge mass accelerator.  Knowing that is what allowed anyone to find the thing in the first place.

Yes, I did, but who's mass accelerator?

Aria's, or possibly TIM's at the time of ME3. Just look at that space station of hers, conveniently shaped like a huge cannon and rooted in a formerly eezo-rich asteroid...

Arcian wrote...

Izhalezan wrote...


We don't know, this happened during a war waged while mammals just started walking around on the earth.

Which is blatantly wrong, as mammals started walking around on the earth long before that.

TIM never paid attention in school.

Good to know I wasn't the only one who caught that.

[Balek-Vriege]

I would be interested and "afraid" of Shepard if I was a Reaper. One individual from a race of apes barely out of the industrial age, manages to keep thwarting our progress and invasion against impossible odds. If Reapers truly can't feel emotions (I think they do since they're part organic and seem to be a hive consiousness of beings in their cores), annoyance might be the better word rather than afraid.

Imagine the odds of your success being something like 95%-99%. For decades it always goes off without a hitch then all of a sudden some person keeps showing up and somehow turns the odds against you.

Now it seems that's the very reason why Humans are being targeted for Reaperfication (From lore it seems Asari then Turians were going to be the targets). If one Human can do this must damage to Reapers plans, combined with human genetic diversity, they must be perfect candidates for ascension and a great addition to Reaper diversification. In a way Shepard is very likely to blame for the Reapers attacking Earth first and getting targeted by Collectors in ME2.

Also if Reapers are a hive mind of the people they liquify to create one. I would think they would want to capture Shepard and download him/her into a Reaper core to make sure they captured what makes Shepard "Shepard."

[xXljoshlXx]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...


Aria's, or possibly TIM's at the time of ME3. Just look at that space station of hers, conveniently shaped like a huge cannon and rooted in a formerly eezo-rich asteroid...
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SO IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THAT

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

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[quote]didymos1120 wrote...

[quote]REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

No one really knows what destroyed that reaper in the first place, it could have been a myriad of reasons, which is why I excluded it. [/quote]

Did you just not listen to the dialogue?  We know exactly what killed it: a huge mass accelerator.  Knowing that is what allowed anyone to find the thing in the first place.

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Yes, I did, but who's mass accelerator?[/quote]
Aria's, or possibly TIM's at the time of ME3. Just look at that space station of hers, conveniently shaped like a huge cannon and rooted in a formerly eezo-rich asteroid...


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I don't believe it was supposed to be interpreted as a "cannon" I believe what the dev team was going for was more or less a mushroom cloud... but I only get my information from the art book that was in the collector's edition of ME2 so, you know... I could be wrong by your standards. And this mass accelerator was supposed to be before our time I believe.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Totally messed up what I wrote there xD, sorry guys the very last thing that's quoted is what I wrote.

[Davie McG]

I would say 37 million years is before our time, before my time most definitely.

That mass effect weapon was fired for a reason, gun's don't shoot by themselves. Someone built that thing with the intent to obliterate something big and scary. I also would think it's reasonable to assume a weapon that large, with that kind of capability was going to be designed to be highly accurate, because if you miss with that you could cause a serious mess.

So if we are to use our intelligence to deduce the most likely scenario I think it would be that a weapon that size with that capacity for destruction was deliberately aimed by intelligent creatures, smart enough to build it, was intending to destroy their target.

Now given their target was a several kilometres tall and wide sentient battle ship hell bent on destroying organic civilisation, I think it's safe to assume the intelligent beings who built and fired that enormous weapon intended to kill that reaper.

I think the reapers know they need to kill Shepard, but I think they are too arrogant to fear him.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Davie McG wrote...

I would say 37 million years is before our time, before my time most definitely.

That mass effect weapon was fired for a reason, gun's don't shoot by themselves. Someone built that thing with the intent to obliterate something big and scary. I also would think it's reasonable to assume a weapon that large, with that kind of capability was going to be designed to be highly accurate, because if you miss with that you could cause a serious mess.

So if we are to use our intelligence to deduce the most likely scenario I think it would be that a weapon that size with that capacity for destruction was deliberately aimed by intelligent creatures, smart enough to build it, was intending to destroy their target.

Now given their target was a several kilometres tall and wide sentient battle ship hell bent on destroying organic civilisation, I think it's safe to assume the intelligent beings who built and fired that enormous weapon intended to kill that reaper.

I think the reapers know they need to kill Shepard, but I think they are too arrogant to fear him.

Whose to say that someone actually did fir it? Wasn't it explained to be something like a nations' all out last attack on a reaper? Shepard made an attack on a reaper and prevailed, yes he may not have killed it by himself but he did foil their plans AND survive the day only to fight for another, this is something that civilization did not do. And again on the matter of that civilization, whose to say that it wasn't controlled by computers/VI or something along the lines of that? If they're intelligent enough to create it why not implement it with something that aims and fires it automatically because the fact that a miss would be deadly?

[GuiltySource]

Does it matter? A massive cannon was fired, a Reaper was killed.

[lovgreno]

The reapers seem rather arrogant so I doubt they are realy afraid of anything. They may find Shepard confusing though.

[HTTP 404]

I don't think they really notice him. Harbinger is probably the only reaper that knows shepard.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

well the general mass of reapers that are still out in deep space may not notice him and they may being as how I believe Harbinger is supposed to be out in deep space along with him and he knows Shepard and what he's done so wouldn't that logic mean that the other reapers know Shepard too?

@ GuiltySource

No it doesn't really matter but the point I was trying to make was that even though a reaper was killed that doesn't mean it was intentional, and as up to this point, the only person that we know that has stood up to a reaper with any luck in killing and surviving is Shepard and crew+.

[HTTP 404]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

well the general mass of reapers that are still out in deep space may not notice him and they may being as how I believe Harbinger is supposed to be out in deep space along with him and he knows Shepard and what he's done so wouldn't that logic mean that the other reapers know Shepard too?

@ GuiltySource

No it doesn't really matter but the point I was trying to make was that even though a reaper was killed that doesn't mean it was intentional, and as up to this point, the only person that we know that has stood up to a reaper with any luck in killing and surviving is Shepard and crew+.

perhaps I should say "caring" instead of "knowing" in my post.  all reapers but harbinger probably don't care that shepard exists.

[Irku]

I think the Reapers are annoyed with Shepard because he/she has set their plans back more than they would have assumed. My guess is that they want Shepard alive though because he/she is more useful alive rather than dead... If the Reapers could get Shepard indoctrinated like they did Sarren that is.

[Homey C-Dawg]

[singing] Don't fear the Shepard.

[Brogatar]

I think the reapers are ****sure and a bit wary about Shepard. They slightly altered the plan to after humans first and keeping a eye out.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

@ HTTP 404

Yeah maybe.... but if that were the case then why would they all be going directly after Earth and humanity and trying to kill Shepard rather than going to the citadel and recapturing it so that the mass relays are unusable? O.o

[KevShep]

                                 ...You should have acted...
                                     ...There already here....
                          ...The protheans told of there return...
  ...After the battle of the Citadel, when the galaxy spilled its own blood...
             ...none wanted to believe, believe they even existed...
                             ...And when the truth finally dawns...
                                          ...It dawns in fire...
                                  ...but, there is one they fear...
                                   ...By his title he is specter...
                                              ...!Shepard!...

[Bcuz]

The way reapers reproduce is by making more reapers out of the grey paste they melted the colonists into, however with so many races reaching element zero level at once, no single race is dominaint. So they planned to just start from scratch and kill all the intellegent life without making a Reaper, however Shepard managed to foil their plans to reactivate the Citidel Relay, and the human fleet played a huge roll in destroying Sovreign.

This lead them to believe humans were powerful enough to evolve to Reaper status, and began abudcutions and production.

[KevShep]

Bcuz wrote...

The way reapers reproduce is by making more reapers out of the grey paste they melted the colonists into

We dont know yet if thats really what the collectors/reapers were doing. They may have been doing something else when making that human reaper.

Bcuz wrote...


, however with so many races reaching element zero level at once, no single race is dominaint. So they planned to just start from scratch and kill all the intellegent life without making a Reaper, however Shepard managed to foil their plans to reactivate the Citidel Relay, and the human fleet played a huge roll in destroying Sovreign.

 
You forget that we almost failed in stopping the reapers invasion not to mention that it was not because of us at all that we stood a chance in the first place....it was the protheans.

Bcuz wrote...

This lead them to believe humans were powerful enough to evolve to Reaper status, and began abudcutions and production.

I believe that the reapers were intrested in humans a long time ago even before we found our relay. A clue to this is that before ME1 Soeverign tried to use the rachni to kill off all the other races of the galaxy even before the invasion.....why? Now humans are the cream of the crop in the galaxy and no one seems to notice that these two things could be connected. This also points to the protheans at mars to be collectors instead of protheans.

Modifié par KevShep, 09 août 2011 - 11:10 .

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Bcuz wrote...

The way reapers reproduce is by making more reapers out of the grey paste they melted the colonists into, however with so many races reaching element zero level at once, no single race is dominaint. So they planned to just start from scratch and kill all the intellegent life without making a Reaper, however Shepard managed to foil their plans to reactivate the Citidel Relay, and the human fleet played a huge roll in destroying Sovreign.

This lead them to believe humans were powerful enough to evolve to Reaper status, and began abudcutions and production.

Mainly all I have to say about this is that in the one of the novels ( of which I have yet to read so please excuse me if I don't know the correct name ) Cerberus experimented on a man by implanting reaper tech in him, making him partially a reaper in terms of power and sentience. I believe the novel is called destiny ascension? Or maybe just ascension? Either way, maybe the large hulking reapers that we know of are created that way but couldn't they just make one to scale out of solely Shepard?

And if you played ME1, and I can't say this enough, Shepard destroyed Saren, which at that point, wasn't Saren. Instead it was a fully indoctrinated husk of Saren that was being controlled by Sovereign consciousness ( aka Harbinger's " assuming direct control " ) so when Shepard killed Saren it, in a way knocked Sovereign out or killed him outright, which in turn gave an opening for the human fleet to destroy his body. The fleet itself on its own did nothing in actually having any effect on the reaper due to his almost impenetrable shields. Maybe the reapers can't be destroyed head on but they know that Shepard knows that they must be destroyed from within?

In any way you look at it, whether Sovereign can "feel" or not the data that is there for them of Shepard and humanity destroying Sovereign and finishing the job witht he derelict reaper, probably has them worried from a machines standpoint. Think aobut it, a computer wants everything to be perfect and right on the money but if there is in any way a problem that may affect the system, it wants to fix it immediately. Either the reapers want to study Shepard to learn more about how its possible for a race that seems so beneath them to rise above one of them and could seemingly destroy them all ( or at least a good chunk ), or they wish to wipe them out immediately so that theyll risk nothing.

So with that being said, the reapers have to fear him which might also fuel a desire to study the human species or at least Shepard to see what makes him tick, why else would Harbinger want to get a hold of Shepard's body in the comics?

[Destroy Raiden_]

Both. They want the thing they fear.

[The Unfallen]

Harbinger and Sovereign both said it best, Shepard is no more than an annoyance, and he will "die in vain" as Harbinger so delightfully puts it.

[Inutaisho7996]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...


Mainly all I have to say about this is that in the one of the novels ( of which I have yet to read so please excuse me if I don't know the correct name ) Cerberus experimented on a man by implanting reaper tech in him, making him partially a reaper in terms of power and sentience. I believe the novel is called destiny ascension? Or maybe just ascension? Either way, maybe the large hulking reapers that we know of are created that way but couldn't they just make one to scale out of solely Shepard?

The novel is Mass Effect: Retribution. Cerberus didn't turn Paul Grayson into a reaper, they implanted him with technology found in either the ruins of the collector base or the base itself (it's left ambiguous). The reapers used this to controll him, and they made him extremely strong, fast, agile, and an extremly fast healer. They were planning on using him to infultrate the Alliance's Ascension Project and learning about human biotics.

[Agamo45]

Machines aren't capable of fear, after everything Shepard did to disrupt their plans they probably just acknowledge him as a threat to be neutralized.