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[Twizz089]

Agamo45 wrote...

Machines aren't capable of fear, after everything Shepard did to disrupt their plans they probably just acknowledge him as a threat to be neutralized.

If they are capable of arrogance they are capable of fear.

[gkryzano]

Twizz089 wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Machines aren't capable of fear, after everything Shepard did to disrupt their plans they probably just acknowledge him as a threat to be neutralized.

If they are capable of arrogance they are capable of fear.

I agree. Besides them being droning machines, after all the species they've destroyed and exploited them must have learnt some sort of setient feeling. Sort of like the Cylons off of BSG.

[Gabey5]

hell no.. shep has been an annoyance so far

[Agamo45]

The Reapers are arrogant because they've been successful 100% of the time. They have no reason to believe that resistance this time around, though perhaps more well organized, would be anymore than a nuisance. fear is a survival instinct that animals have.

[Izhalezan]

We dont know yet if thats really what the collectors/reapers were doing.
They may have been doing something else when making that human reaper.

Sure it was all speculation on EDIs part but shes a incredily advanced AI, can't have been too wild a guess in her 'mind'. What else could they possibly have been doing anyway?

You forget that we almost failed in stopping the reapers invasion not to
mention that it was not because of us at all that we stood a chance in
the first place....it was the protheans.

 
Well they already used up the Protheans, and no one can deny that Soverign was stopped because of a Human. The protheans gave us a chance, but it was all one Humans work that lead to the end of ME1. Shepard didn't win simply because Vigil existed.

I believe that the reapers were intrested in humans a long time ago
even before we found our relay. A clue to this is that before ME1
Soeverign tried to use the rachni to kill off all the other races of the
galaxy even before the invasion.....why? Now humans are the cream of
the crop in the galaxy and no one seems to notice that these two things
could be connected. This also points to the protheans at mars to be
collectors instead of protheans

Eh, it seems more like the Reapers wanted to have the Rachni wipe everyone else out so there'd be only one species around when they came, and they seemed strongest. I don't see how the Mars base was a Collector thing, if it was we'd probably see more of those metal balls flying around like in the vision where you discovered that the Protheans had been checking out the human cavemen. Sounds more like Humanity developed at a good time and pace for the story.

[Sisterofshane]

Been reading this now for awhile, and I think I've finally decided my opinion on the matter.

In order for the Reapers to "fear", they would have to have some semblence of irrational thought.  I don't think this is the case.  Some would cite their arrogance as irrational thought, but I think when Sovereign spoke, in our limited understanding of the true nature of the Reapers, many people have misinterpreted them to be arrogant.  It believes that, based upon the millions of years the cycle has been repeated, that we will inevitably lose.  It also believes that we are an inferior form of life.  There wasn't enough time for it to go through all of it's reasoning in the game, but it thoroughly believed that all organic life was possible simply because of a genetic mutation.  Right now, the odds are stacked in their favor.  The Reapers use these beliefs to challenge our right to existence.  So, I don't think that they "fear" anything.

I don't think that they are quite interested in Shepard, either, the way we would interpret "interested".  To say we are "interested" implies some form of "admiration" (even if only slight).  They definitely don't "admire" the person who has managed to thwart their plans not only once, but three times.  By now, they would definitely be more cautious as to estimating Shepard as a threat, but I think that would be all.

In the end, i think that Harbinger sums it up nicely.  Shepard has been so far, a "nuisance", especially as it relates to him being "inconvienent".  They still don't see Shepard as a viable threat -- they still feel that they have the upperhand in the situation.  They think they are going to win inspite of Shepard's insignificant victories.  And so far, it's true.  All Shep ahs managed to do is delay their inevitable return.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I figure Harbinger's view on Shepard is a type of fasination that a scientist would get when looking at a lab rat that is capable of surviving tests that others die from. Shepard is proving to be more effective in slowing down the Reapers than probably entire galaxys have over the cycle. In Arrival if Harbinger wanted to kill Shepard he could have but for whatever reason he didn't. I think he's curious to see how well Shepard can do.

Harbinger is afterall the observer of the Reapers, he's the one who controled the Collectors in their task in studying all the species of the galaxy and Sheaprd is 'special' at least special enough to know his name and remember it.

[Ixidor Rahl]

i think shepard got them interested in using humanity as part of their next reproductive process.  i dont think they see him/her as a viable threat.

[el master pr]

 I think Harbinger sees him more as a potential threat than anything else. Until Arrival he's a mere nuisance, delaying the inevitable destruction, but in ME3 he could get to be that potential threat that could possibly break the unitl now unending cycle.

[Godak]

I don't really see the Reapers as emotional beings. At most, I think they would view Shepard as some anomaly that their calculations did not account for. He will continue to spearhead the Alliance victories, and the Reapers will sit on their laurels, wondering, calculating, trying to think of how/when/why their plans are not working out.

In the end, they will see that they accidentally put H(awke) into the equation instead of S(hepard). Then, it will all become perfectly clear.

Harbinger: "Guys, this is the wrong universe."

[Faolin]

Quick question, where does this whole "Shepard knocked out Sovereign by killing robo-Saren" argument from? I've seen it from enough sources that I doubt it's completley wrong, but there's nothing to indicate that in the game.

Applying Occam's Razor, you'd assume Sovereign went down because of the entire 5th fleet ships shooting missiles at him for twenty minutes, rather than because he has a strong connection with a puppet. Killing Harbinger's puppets barely slowed him down. Shepard was fighting robo-Saren because:
A.) Robo-Saren was going to activate the Citadel Relay
B.) A first-person shooter game requires that the bad guy be in some way inconvenienced by the player character's weapons.

And yet, everyone (including TIM) throws round "Shepard is the only human to kill a Reaper".

[Godak]

Faolin wrote...

And yet, everyone (including TIM) throws round "Shepard is the only human to kill a Reaper".

They are just assuming such things because of Shapard's main character status. It makes sense if you've read a narrative in the past couple of millenia. Can you really blame them?

I have no idea why everyone massages Shepard, wipes Shepard's bum, and makes sure that Shepard's soup is not too hot, not too cold, but just right. Really, it was a group effort. Hundreds of thousands were involved. Awknowledge that, game.

[Red Son Rising]

"Shepard, you have become an annoyance"
that statement alone implies the reapers are capable of emotional thought. being annoyed is a state of mind, not necissarily a rational assertion. the reapers are not just machines, they should be capable of more

sovereign showed real desperation at the end of mass effect. harbinger has shown an irrational interest in shepard that lead to countless resources being poured into collecting just one dead human spectre. thats personal

arrogance is not a rational position either. if the reapers are anything like harbinger the believe they are unstoppable. belief isnt a big leap from faith, both having less to do with the facts than emotion

are the reapers afraid? no. annoying lil shepard could ruin their plans and efforts to do so are having an effect. so much so that harbinger personally engages shepard as often as possible with violence and trash talk worth of Madden 

Agamo45 wrote...

The Reapers are arrogant because they've been successful 100% of the time. They have no reason to believe that resistance this time around, though perhaps more well organized, would be anymore than a nuisance. fear is a survival instinct that animals have.

the reapers have no incentive to be honest about their intentions or their history. its not impossible that early reaper purges were less vigorous and less successful because their numbers were probably much smaller

i havent read all the books and collecting the comics is unlikely so if im missing something apologies but, given what was learned during mass effect and ME2, we do know reapers are powerful but not invincible

[littlezack]

I think it's actually fairly safe to say that Shepard is the only human ever to kill a Reaper.

And, yeah, it was a group effort, but Shepard was pretty much the lynchpin.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

didymos1120 wrote...

Well, according to Harbinger in Arrival, Shepard's only been upgraded to "annoyance" status so far.

Which is Reaper for "I hate you but I love you soooo much".

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...


Mainly all I have to say about this is that in the one of the novels ( of which I have yet to read so please excuse me if I don't know the correct name ) Cerberus experimented on a man by implanting reaper tech in him, making him partially a reaper in terms of power and sentience. I believe the novel is called destiny ascension? Or maybe just ascension? Either way, maybe the large hulking reapers that we know of are created that way but couldn't they just make one to scale out of solely Shepard?

The novel is Mass Effect: Retribution. Cerberus didn't turn Paul Grayson into a reaper, they implanted him with technology found in either the ruins of the collector base or the base itself (it's left ambiguous). The reapers used this to controll him, and they made him extremely strong, fast, agile, and an extremly fast healer. They were planning on using him to infultrate the Alliance's Ascension Project and learning about human biotics.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.  But yeah like I was trying to say was that he was implanted with reaper technology and he did kind of go crazy and work for the reapers in an indoctrinated sort of way. But only the reapers know how to use their technology so maybe they have a more dastardly idea in their head for Shepard that's similair to what Cerberus did yo Paul Grason? So many questions open up when you really think about it.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Oh, just throwing this out there, but I think that the universal and generally accepted definition of an AI is that not only is the machine ( with the AI ) is smart, but it is also capable of emotions/humanesque thought. While the Geth show not many emotions they are kind of developing it, killing the Quarians because they felt like slaves and didn't like it, fighting the indoctrinated cultist Geth because they are a blight on their own species, Legion wearing Shepard's armor and when being asked he can't give a definite answer as to why accept that it was merely there at the time and the one he chose despite other armor ( being just as good ) was around him. I think that that is a sign of respect and admiration of Shepard, maybe the Geth are evolving again and becoming more of like any race with emotions. Just think about it, from their first question of " do I have a soul " all the way to choosing the armor of the " great " Shepard. If they can develop emotions in such a short time then I believe the reapers have also, due purely on the fact that they have had A LOT of time to. They may not show it but thats only because they have a god complex and consider themselves to be invincible gods, or they believe that even though Shepard can kill one of them, that he won't stand a chance when there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. So they're probably getting a little cocky.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The really funny thing is that even if we lose in ME3 humanity still does better than the other races.

We get Reaperfied they get just plain wiped out.

It's a Win-Win-Win-Lose scenario!

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Faolin wrote...

Quick question, where does this whole "Shepard knocked out Sovereign by killing robo-Saren" argument from? I've seen it from enough sources that I doubt it's completley wrong, but there's nothing to indicate that in the game.

Well, we can only speculate that it was Shepard who knocked out Sovereign, as the missiles and lasers had no effect on his shields which is what Joker said I believe. Also when Saren was fully indoctrinated, maybe he was being completely possessed by Sovereign at that time and moment and when Shepard destroyed the conduit of Sovereign essence it had no link to getting back to his own body. Sort of like downloading his mind into another machine, maybe Harbinger is better at doing it than others, maybe the Collectors are specificly designed to be controlled of. But like I said, we can only speculate that that is the most likely reason of Sovereigns death being as how he got knocked out at the exact moment Shepard killed Saren.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

@ Grand Admiral Cheesecake

Hahahahaha xD read my one comment on here about it being an episode of twilight zone lol. I believe it's on the first page towards the bottom.

[Red Son Rising]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

Faolin wrote...

Quick question, where does this whole "Shepard knocked out Sovereign by killing robo-Saren" argument from? I've seen it from enough sources that I doubt it's completley wrong, but there's nothing to indicate that in the game.

Well, we can only speculate that it was Shepard who knocked out Sovereign, as the missiles and lasers had no effect on his shields which is what Joker said I believe. Also when Saren was fully indoctrinated, maybe he was being completely possessed by Sovereign at that time and moment and when Shepard destroyed the conduit of Sovereign essence it had no link to getting back to his own body. Sort of like downloading his mind into another machine, maybe Harbinger is better at doing it than others, maybe the Collectors are specificly designed to be controlled of. But like I said, we can only speculate that that is the most likely reason of Sovereigns death being as how he got knocked out at the exact moment Shepard killed Saren.

the way i see it sovereign gave up. shepard locked out the citadel controls and sovereign was forced to try and get it back by possessing saren while trying to repel the combined fleet attacks. something had to give

when saren's body was destroyed sovereign had no chance to regain control of the citadel and there was no escape. with no where to run and no way to hide sovereign gave up and just let it happen. no point fighting it

sovereigns mission was to open the relay and i cant imagine other reapers bein cool with takin the long way back to citadel space. i think harbinger and company woulda been pissed: sovereign failed, then died for it

[Brand New]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

This is purely speculation on what you believe . But as a side note, I believe that the reapers are in fact aftraid of Shepard because he can kill them.... no one has done that so far ( that we know of ) ...

Um....



Also, it ain't like Shep slew either Sovvy or the HR singlehandedly.

No one really knows what destroyed that reaper in the first place, it could have been a myriad of reasons, which is why I excluded it. And I know Shepard didn't kill Sovereign singlehandedly... read the stuff I've already written.

Herp Derp. High powered mass ecelerator cannon planetside.

[LTiberious]

there was something in the unused tracks about this...

afaik they want Shep to become a reaper

[Shockwave81]

Fact number 1: If you've played Mass Effect 1 and 2, and/or read any of the myriad books/comics that have been released in the past few years, you'll know as much as anyone else does about The Reapers.
Fact number 2: We may not know anything specific until ME3 is released.
Fact number 3: Asking people on the forums about why the Reapers do anything in Mass Effect and expecting them to know the precise answers is pointless because of facts 1 and 2.

I swear that these forums would be dead without the various speculation threads that pop up every few hours.