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[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

@ Shockwave81

Speculation is what keeps life going forward, now troll somehwere else.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Faolin wrote...

Quick question, where does this whole "Shepard knocked out Sovereign by killing robo-Saren" argument from? I've seen it from enough sources that I doubt it's completley wrong, but there's nothing to indicate that in the game.[
There are plenty to indicate it in the game 

Applying Occam's Razor, you'd assume Sovereign went down because of the entire 5th fleet ships shooting missiles at him for twenty minutes, rather than because he has a strong connection with a puppet. Killing Harbinger's puppets barely slowed him down. Shepard was fighting robo-Saren because:
A.) Robo-Saren was going to activate the Citadel Relay
B.) A first-person shooter game requires that the bad guy be in some way inconvenienced by the player character's weapons.

And yet, everyone (including TIM) throws round "Shepard is the only human to kill a Reaper".

There are plenty to indicate it in the game in fact just look at the cut scene Here

No ship is shooting at Sovereign or even near it when it spontaneously just loses all power and drops from the tower after shep kills Avatar Saren.

Up until that point Sovereign had been untouchable. 

[LTiberious]

Arcian wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

there was something in the unused tracks about this...

afaik they want Shep to become a reaper

That's pretty much the outline of the theory I made some time ago.

Start making tl:dr versions of yer theories please

///

didnt understand the "outline" part. Am i right or i am wrong?  

And i prefer the unused sounds as evidence of my theory

[KevShep]

Izhalezan wrote...



Sure it was all speculation on EDIs part but shes a incredily advanced AI, can't have been too wild a guess in her 'mind'. What else could they possibly have been doing anyway?

Ive played games long enough to know that in a "deep story driven game" a major part of the plot is not revealed through a "luck" guess....ever! EDI even says herself that she does not have all the info and can only guess.  Any time that a game makes a guess then thats the way the devs can throw you a line without lying(or contradicting themselves). This is always the case if the reason in question is actually a spoiler to the next game! Hint..hint we know this because the reapers motives are still unknown.

 
Well they already used up the Protheans, and no one can deny that Soverign was stopped because of a Human. The protheans gave us a chance, but it was all one Humans work that lead to the end of ME1. Shepard didn't win simply because Vigil existed.

No...without the protheans there is no victory. What if shepard had been an asari? whould the reapers then be after asari and not the humans? BTW the reapers didnt use the protheans.....They ether killed them or they turned them into collectors. You have to remember that the reapers are looking for something specific in organics and if they found that in the protheans then they would not be doing another harvest cycle. Harvesting cycles would have ended completely because there is no more need.

Eh, it seems more like the Reapers wanted to have the Rachni wipe everyone else out so there'd be only one species around when they came, and they seemed strongest. I don't see how the Mars base was a Collector thing, if it was we'd probably see more of those metal balls flying around like in the vision where you discovered that the Protheans had been checking out the human cavemen. Sounds more like Humanity developed at a good time and pace for the story.

No...This again points to my statment above. This proves that the reapers are looking for something specific other wise any intelligent organic race will do. So if there killing all of the other races then that must mean that all other races are not "worthy". Once more...If they did not know about humans then we know that they dont need organics to live(or survive) because they tried to kill everybody off with the rachni, therefore there is no reason for the reapers to harvest anything in this current cycle.

Notice this also...If they are not looking for a specific organic race then why would they harvest the races of the galaxy to extinction???????????????????????????????? They are killing off the failed expariements and making way for the next ones to amerge. The milky way is there laboratory.

Modifié par KevShep, 10 août 2011 - 11:33 .

[CaptainHydra]

KevShep wrote...

If they did not know about humans then we know that they dont need organics to live(or survive) because they tried to kill everybody off with the rachni, therefore there is no reason for the reapers to harvest anything in this current cycle.

Makes sense, since the other 'viable' species hadn't discovered before the Rachni Wars - krogan discovered during RW and drell around a century(?) ago (both not viable anymore because of numbers, according to Harbinger)

[Jeth Prime]

If they were smart, they'd be afraid.... Very afraid....

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

@ KevShep

While I agree with some of your logic, it's clearly stated in the game that the reason for the reapers' harvesting cycle is that they need to refuel and restock on elements, minerals, fuel, etc. They turned the races into husks that labored for them for free and depleted each and every planet each time. Though they could also be looking for a difference in species.

[Nightdragon8]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

@ KevShep

While I agree with some of your logic, it's clearly stated in the game that the reason for the reapers' harvesting cycle is that they need to refuel and restock on elements, minerals, fuel, etc. They turned the races into husks that labored for them for free and depleted each and every planet each time. Though they could also be looking for a difference in species.

where was this stated at??

[GreenDragon37]

Both. (S)He's an annoyance... but they want him/her. They fear him/her because (s)he keeps ****ing up their plans! (S)He's a threat. The question is, what did they do to you while you were on that operating table for the past two days?

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 11 août 2011 - 02:21 .

[sTrYkZ1LLa]

According to the drs audio log she was keeping Shepard sedated but had to keep increasing the dose to keep him knocked out. I think they were keeping him knocked out till the reapers showed up, that's just my guess.

[GreenDragon37]

sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

According to the drs audio log she was keeping Shepard sedated but had to keep increasing the dose to keep him knocked out. I think they were keeping him knocked out till the reapers showed up, that's just my guess.

Still, it's kind of weird that they spent the past few days doing nothing to you but keep you asleep. Something's... off.

[Sisterofshane]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

According to the drs audio log she was keeping Shepard sedated but had to keep increasing the dose to keep him knocked out. I think they were keeping him knocked out till the reapers showed up, that's just my guess.

Still, it's kind of weird that they spent the past few days doing nothing to you but keep you asleep. Something's... off.

Not really.  A conscious Shepard is infinitely more capable of screwing with your plans then an unconscious Shepard.  The safe road to take for all the indoctrinated members of the project was to keep Shepard Incapacitated until it was too late.

[GreenDragon37]

Sisterofshane wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

According to the drs audio log she was keeping Shepard sedated but had to keep increasing the dose to keep him knocked out. I think they were keeping him knocked out till the reapers showed up, that's just my guess.

Still, it's kind of weird that they spent the past few days doing nothing to you but keep you asleep. Something's... off.

Not really.  A conscious Shepard is infinitely more capable of screwing with your plans then an unconscious Shepard.  The safe road to take for all the indoctrinated members of the project was to keep Shepard Incapacitated until it was too late.

I would have examined Shep while (s)he was incapped. Not much, just examine. Figure out what makes him/her so special.

[Anacronian Stryx]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

According to the drs audio log she was keeping Shepard sedated but had to keep increasing the dose to keep him knocked out. I think they were keeping him knocked out till the reapers showed up, that's just my guess.

Still, it's kind of weird that they spent the past few days doing nothing to you but keep you asleep. Something's... off.

The reapers were just a few days away and probably wanted to study him/her by themselves.

[KevShep]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

According to the drs audio log she was keeping Shepard sedated but had to keep increasing the dose to keep him knocked out. I think they were keeping him knocked out till the reapers showed up, that's just my guess.

Still, it's kind of weird that they spent the past few days doing nothing to you but keep you asleep. Something's... off.

The reapers were just a few days away and probably wanted to study him/her by themselves.

 Since the reaper artifact is at that same location where shepard is being held and is not sedated at the artifact itself, then my guess is that the reapers do not want shepard indoctrinated. What that reason happends to be is unknown. I do have a theory that goes along with this and  its a thread called cool reaper theory.

[REAPERS_r_CTHULHU]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

@ KevShep

While I agree with some of your logic, it's clearly stated in the game that the reason for the reapers' harvesting cycle is that they need to refuel and restock on elements, minerals, fuel, etc. They turned the races into husks that labored for them for free and depleted each and every planet each time. Though they could also be looking for a difference in species.

where was this stated at??

During ME1 I can't remember exactly where it was stated but I believe either one of the times that you were talking to Saren, haveing visions, or talking to Liara.

For reasons currently unknown, the Reapers cull the intelligent races of the Milky Way galaxy, returning to dark space with the organics' technology and resources.

^ from the Mass Effect Wiki: http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Reaper

[karatemanchan37]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Both. (S)He's an annoyance... but they want him/her. They fear him/her because (s)he keeps ****ing up their plans! (S)He's a threat. The question is, what did they do to you while you were on that operating table for the past two days?

My guess? The Reapers need an "ace-in-the hole" or a backup plan of sort in case Shepard does succeed in wiping out them out. So they did what they do best: impanted some sort of Reaper technology into his body so that he could be secretly indoctriated for the future.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I'm still disturbed by that two day acoma BW better not forget about that like they did shep dying. Like the Lproject I want to know even if I don't like what I'll find.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I still think that unconsious thing in arrival was a missed opportunity - they should have showed This as a nightmare shep is having while unconscious and the reason as to why he/she woke up miraculously.

[Faolin]

No ship is shooting at Sovereign or even near it when it
spontaneously just loses all power and drops from the tower after shep
kills Avatar Saren.
Up until that point Sovereign had been untouchable.

Halfway through the Saren fight, there's a cutscene where you see Sovereign and the Fifth Fleet engaging fire. Some guy panics, orders a retreat, and Admiral Hacket countermands him, saying something along the lines of "bring that monster down". In the scene where Sovereign falls off the tower, you see multiple cruisers shooting at him.

So Sovereign was being shot for the entire duration of the Saren fight. As for why it finally drops after Shep kills Saren, what else could Bioware possibly have done? Saren dies mysteriously halfway through the fight as Sovereign was blown up? We see twenty minutes of space combat after the boss fight before Sovereign finally dies?

Not to mention that if it WAS the destruction of the Avatar that killed Sovereign, taking an Avatar in the first place was a spectacularly stupid move. If he were truly invincible, he could have sat on the Citadel until doomsday, blowing up all opposition. The only reason for the whole Conduit plan was so Sovereign could close the Citadel on itself and avoid return fire. There's no reason to do that if he's immune to damage.

[KevShep]

REAPERS_r_CTHULHU wrote...

@ KevShep

While I agree with some of your logic, it's clearly stated in the game that the reason for the reapers' harvesting cycle is that they need to refuel and restock on elements, minerals, fuel, etc. They turned the races into husks that labored for them for free and depleted each and every planet each time. Though they could also be looking for a difference in species.

It says that the reapers reasons for the 50k cycles is still unknown. I do think though that even though they may not harvest any race in that current cycle that they still need to refuel there E-zo and things like that. Most inelligent species are the same...meaning that every race has almost the same evolution and civilization as any other race. Are they all exactly the same?...No...but there is enough there that it would not matter in the "difference in species". The asari are the perfect example of this.....They can take the best genetics/traits from the father race to make there race better not to mention that the asari are pure biotics with the ability to live for a thousand years. They also have art/culture/tech and an ability to "meld"with other races. And after all of this the reapers still do not want them at all.......The asari have everything! This means that they are looking for a specific race for a yet unknown reason. 

[SandTrout]

Faolin wrote...

No ship is shooting at Sovereign or even near it when it
spontaneously just loses all power and drops from the tower after shep
kills Avatar Saren.
Up until that point Sovereign had been untouchable.

Halfway through the Saren fight, there's a cutscene where you see Sovereign and the Fifth Fleet engaging fire. Some guy panics, orders a retreat, and Admiral Hacket countermands him, saying something along the lines of "bring that monster down". In the scene where Sovereign falls off the tower, you see multiple cruisers shooting at him.

So Sovereign was being shot for the entire duration of the Saren fight. As for why it finally drops after Shep kills Saren, what else could Bioware possibly have done? Saren dies mysteriously halfway through the fight as Sovereign was blown up? We see twenty minutes of space combat after the boss fight before Sovereign finally dies?

Not to mention that if it WAS the destruction of the Avatar that killed Sovereign, taking an Avatar in the first place was a spectacularly stupid move. If he were truly invincible, he could have sat on the Citadel until doomsday, blowing up all opposition. The only reason for the whole Conduit plan was so Sovereign could close the Citadel on itself and avoid return fire. There's no reason to do that if he's immune to damage.

This. So much this.

The only evidence that the destruction of Robo-Saren and Sovereign are connected is circumstantial at best.

[andy6915]

SandTrout wrote...
The only evidence that the destruction of Robo-Saren and Sovereign are connected is circumstantial at best.

It would explain an oddity though. Why does harbinger need a middle person for his possessions? It would be easier to just take over directly. Instead, he takes over the Collector General, and makes him take over a Collector grunt. It appears that he uses the General as a buffer to safely take over Collectors. Reason is, I think that whenever what the Reaper was controlling dies, it goes back and stuns the one who was doing it, and possibly causes them pain. For this reason Harbinger would rather take over the General and make him take over something else, so that the General is the one who gets stunned and hurt. It's also why the General can't just take a new body every single time you destroy it, because he gets stunned after every one, and can't repossess another one until his stun ends.

You have to admit, this fits everything we've seen. A creature you was controlling will cause you to become stunned and in pain when killed, which is why Sovereign fell off the Citidel Tower right after you killed his possessed form. This is why Harbinger takes control through a buffer, to make it happen to the buffer (the General) instead of himself.

[KevShep]

That "avatar" may have been Sovereign himself "implanted" into saren. That way by killing saren you were not killing saren at all but sovereign.

Sovereign may have noticed sarens strong will and thought it best to "install" himself into saren in order to make sure the mission is completed.

[SandTrout]

KevShep wrote...

That "avatar" may have been Sovereign himself "implanted" into saren. That way by killing saren you were not killing saren at all but sovereign.

Sovereign may have noticed sarens strong will and thought it best to "install" himself into saren in order to make sure the mission is completed.

That would constitute a comically stupid tactical deceision, especially when Sovereign still had legions of loyal Geth at its disposal.

Modifié par SandTrout, 11 août 2011 - 08:25 .