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[Teddie Sage]

Dead for me. I don't like him at all.

[Jenova65]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Dead for me. I don't like him at all.

Trolling, Teddie................... :o:P:P;) Naughty............... <_<

[Teddie Sage]

Jenova65 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Dead for me. I don't like him at all.

Trolling, Teddie................... :o:P:P;) Naughty............... <_<

Shh! I'm undercover! 

[thegoldfinch]

My head canon dictates that he will always be a Templar since it fits theme of the story. I wish we could have had the chance to gain him back for Act III and reconcile with him, though. The game seemed emptier for it. I mean, even as guard captain Aveline had more than enough free time to frolic about with Hawke. Why not Carver?

Modifié par pixieface, 12 août 2011 - 06:19 .

[Arthur Cousland]

When exactly, does templar Carver become available prior to Legacy? I'm assuming that if he's a templar, then he remains a npc and not a party companion throughout the main game?

[sonoko]

Only Warden!Carver for me. Warden!Carver is a more interesting character, he grows into a responsible and mature person and gets his chance to become a real hero (and I can speak with him more!).

Templar!Carver is just boring in comparison.

[Carmen_Willow]

Hawke_12 wrote...

Yeah, Legacy makes Warden Carver more of a better choice. Templar would have been cool to b/c of the - as you said - templar vs. mages.

Just wondering that Warden Carver would be very similiar to Warden Bethany so it really makes me uncertain...

If you want to see Carver becoming the man he can be -- it's warden all the way.  He's much happier, he's more mature.  He's got his groove on. 

[Carmen_Willow]

happy_daiz wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

CM Bethany bores me to tears. 

I thought it was just me. After my last playthrough (with really ugly Bethany), I toyed with the idea of letting her die in the Deep Roads, but I let her live as a whiny Circle mage. Perhaps I should let her be a Warden next time. I did that in my first playthrough, but that was 9 pts ago.

I haven't tried Carver as a Templar, either.

The mansion in hightown is so incredibly empty when you kill your sister in the Deep Roads and then come home to "All that Remains"  

I hated that playthrough!

[Auroras]

Carver grows tremendously as a person by being a Warden. I recommend it over him becoming a templar.

[dragonflight288]

I'm about ready to start a new playthrough and I'm probably going to make him a templar just to see what he's like in Legacy as a Templar. I've already seen it as a Warden.

[DPSSOC]

I liked Carver as a Templar; mainly because in Legacy I can ask him about the why of it and he actually has a well thought out response. That and I just think it suits him better, resigning himself to living up to someone (first Hawke then his namesake), as well as I think he'd make a good Templar (he's got a good heart and understands mages better than most).

Also I don't like either of the siblings as Wardens, their reactions to the situation disrupts my firm belief that people, even fictional people, never change.

[Xilizhra]

DPSSOC wrote...

I liked Carver as a Templar; mainly because in Legacy I can ask him about the why of it and he actually has a well thought out response. That and I just think it suits him better, resigning himself to living up to someone (first Hawke then his namesake), as well as I think he'd make a good Templar (he's got a good heart and understands mages better than most).

Also I don't like either of the siblings as Wardens, their reactions to the situation disrupts my firm belief that people, even fictional people, never change.

How do they do that?

[DPSSOC]

Xilizhra wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
I liked Carver as a Templar; mainly because in Legacy I can ask him about the why of it and he actually has a well thought out response. That and I just think it suits him better, resigning himself to living up to someone (first Hawke then his namesake), as well as I think he'd make a good Templar (he's got a good heart and understands mages better than most).

Also I don't like either of the siblings as Wardens, their reactions to the situation disrupts my firm belief that people, even fictional people, never change.

How do they do that?

Short answer: They change.

Long answer: Carver grows up and becomes less resentful of Hawke and you get your moment at the end of Act 3.  Bethany on the other hand hates the Wardens and resents Hawke for getting her into it; reasonable or not this is a far cry from the girl who I'm fairly sure you can't earn rivalry points with in Act 1 (lord knows I've tried).  Where as if Carver's a Templar or Bethany's in the Circle they don't really change.  Bethany still adores her older sibling who's slightly resentful of her magic and what it's forced upon her and her family, and Carver is still a surly ****** who resents you for his insitance on living in your, or someone else's, shadow.  That's my read on the characters anyway, admittedly I don't see much of Bethany because I love playing a mage too much.

Filament wrote...
I liked one of Hawke's responses to that well thought out response: "I don't believe you." Me neither. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Look either he thought the decision through or he thought up a lie either way he's thinking.  It's a rare enough occurrence I'll take it.

[Saberchic]

I always go Warden Carver!

The only thing I don't like about that path is that I know he's tainted, and I know what that means for his future. At least with Templar Carver, he'll live a long life and would be able to have a family if he chose to.

One of these days I'll actually make him a templar... I think. ...Maybe not.

[sonoko]

Saberchic wrote...

I always go Warden Carver!

The only thing I don't like about that path is that I know he's tainted, and I know what that means for his future. At least with Templar Carver, he'll live a long life and would be able to have a family if he chose to.

When I make Carver a Warden I always hope that Avernus' research will help to reduce negative taint effects or maybe even completely remove all their downsides. And Wardens are also able to have family and children (though I can't imagine Carver as a family man.)

At least Carver won't became drug lirium-addict on his Warden path. I can't forget that poor templar in Rendon Howe's dungeon... 

[Saberchic]

sonoko wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I always go Warden Carver!

The only thing I don't like about that path is that I know he's tainted, and I know what that means for his future. At least with Templar Carver, he'll live a long life and would be able to have a family if he chose to.

When I make Carver a Warden I always hope that Avernus' research will help to reduce negative taint effects or maybe even completely remove all their downsides. And Wardens are also able to have family and children (though I can't imagine Carver as a family man.)

At least Carver won't became drug lirium-addict on his Warden path. I can't forget that poor templar in Rendon Howe's dungeon... 

Very true. I forgot about the lyrium addiction. It would break my heart to see him like the old templar you run into in Denerim.

I also hope for Avernus' research to come up with something in time so that my warden and the others (Alistair, Nathaniel, etc.) can be cured as well. It ticks me off to no end that Fiona is the only warden to escape this fate.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Saberchic wrote...

I always go Warden Carver!

The only thing I don't like about that path is that I know he's tainted, and I know what that means for his future. At least with Templar Carver, he'll live a long life and would be able to have a family if he chose to.

One of these days I'll actually make him a templar... I think. ...Maybe not.

*Tries to picture a woman who would voluntarily put up with Carver's attitude.* 

*Fails.*

I like the guy, but who'd spend more than twenty minutes with him voluntarily and think "yup - that's what I'm looking for"? 

[Saberchic]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...
*Tries to picture a woman who would voluntarily put up with Carver's attitude.* 

*Fails.*

I like the guy, but who'd spend more than twenty minutes with him voluntarily and think "yup - that's what I'm looking for"? 

Look how nice he is to Merrill. I don't think he'd act the way he does with Hawke with someone he was interested in. :happy:

[LadyJaneGrey]

Saberchic wrote...
Look how nice he is to Merrill. I don't think he'd act the way he does with Hawke with someone he was interested in. :happy:

Fair enough.  I guess he struck me as the type of guy who would be nice to his date while being a jerk to the waitstaff.    Who wants to stick around someone like that?

Anyway, I still <3 you, Carver, even during all your fantastically surly, unpleasant moments.

Modifié par LadyJaneGrey, 17 août 2011 - 04:02 .

[Vicious]

Warden Carver of course. "I am so much more than I was" and 'In war, Victory, brother." are just some of his lines.

Templar Carver is a straight up jackhole.

[devSin]

Always Warden. Carver is a good kid. I wanted to be able to discipline him more, though (earn some of that ire he sends my way).

Like visiting the brothel. I'd definitely chew him out and then straight up run down there and confront that ho. Not with my brother, skank!

But Luke took the easy way out and just gave all the responsibility to Aveline. Butt head.

Modifié par devSin, 21 août 2011 - 02:52 .

[The Revenator]

Carver seems quite unhappy as a Templar but he always pissed me off anyways. I actually have him die, as then my Hawke will lose everything 'cept Merrill. Plus in the last few moments of his life he isn't a deuce. But then again I've never had him as a warden. Is he really that much better though?

[devSin]

I think he works better as a Grey Warden, especially if your decisions match up more with his (i.e., you end up getting high friendship with him). He's always going to be adversarial, to a degree, but I think he comes into his own (and he really does elect to stand with you against the Templars, at the end). I also thought he was much more comfortable in Legacy, although it doesn't necessarily mesh very well with the campaign (since he'll still be sort of a douche, at least initially, in Acts 2 and 3).

I'm not sure if you'd like him any more than as a Templar, though. The thought of slicing and dicing evil (and good, and anything that gets in the way, really) side-by-side with my brother really colors my opinion of Carver (I could never play without him when playing mage Hawke).

[Pugzley]

Any mods that change the dead sibling when playing mage!Hawke from Carver to Bethany so that I get four mages in my run-through?