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[Badpie]

So in reading this article here, http://gamerant.com/...ble-dyce-99145/ I have to say I'm really disappointed with a lot of what David Silverman was saying.

“What we’re trying to do with Mass Effect 3 is that it’s a new beginning for the series. It’s probably a natural entry point."

The epilogue of a book is not a good place to start reading.  I understand that the game has to be playable to people who haven't played the first two games, but to me it sounds like Bioware is catering specifically to those people in order to make more money.  More money is great, but the first rule of business is not to lose the business you already have.  

"We’ve really struck a great balance. Obviously, if you’ve played the game before you’ll see things that apply to you… And even if you’ve played the games multiple times before – Mass Effect came out almost eight years ago – you’re not going to remember all the details from when you played that game, right? Even I can’t recall everything that happened to me when that came out in 2007. It’s human nature. We’re not Rain Man…"

So basically any decisions that have been important to me - see all of them in the previous two games amount to nothing but perhaps a mention because Bioware has decided we won't remember them?  Are they counting on this so they can retconn the hell out of things?  Sounds fishy to me.  Not to mention, I don't know a single Mass Effect fan that has ever said their decisions weren't important to them.  "Decisions matter" has been Bioware's WHOLE SELLING POINT this entire time.  And I'm sorry, but I remember what I did because for years Bioware has been promising that it would matter.  Well I'm so glad I took the time to play ME1 and 2 so that I can get what amounts to an email mentioning some decision I cared about as if it is nothing.  Super. Great.  Thanks.

"Well, what about when I had this love affair?’ It’s like, who cares? It’s all out war!"

The majority of anyone who plays a Bioware game enjoys a good romantic subplot because like it or not, Bioware - YOU DO ROMANCES.  Not everyone takes advantage of this optional content but it is really important for those who do.  So to say it doesn't matter and who cares is like a slap in the face.

Pretty much everything Mr. Silverman said in this article is everything that I've been afraid of when it comes to the Mass Effect franchise.  

As a long time fan I feel like I'm being shoved aside and that I don't matter.  Appealing to a larger audience is great and all, but do you have to be so blatantly dismissive of long time fans?  That hurts.

You can't just assume that just because people bought the previous two games that they're going to buy the third, Bioware.  That's kind of insulting.  I'm not saying Bioware is completely ignoring us, but I think it's pretty clear that new fans are the priority and the rest of us can just take a backseat because clearly we're going to buy the game anyway.

Personally, I think I'll wait on my pre-order until returning fans have something else to be excited over.

Modifié par Badpie, 09 août 2011 - 02:28 .

[sael_feman]

It's a good jumping in point from the perspective of Bioware sales revenues.

[Whatever42]

They are going to catch up ME3 newbies with another interactive comic or some such device. That's all they mean. It's marketing drone speak.

The devs and writers have made it very clear that they have spent a lot of time resolving past decisions. So... STOP PANICKING!

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 09 août 2011 - 02:30 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I love the bit about not being Rain Man. Acting as if the devs have to incorporate these decisions and carry-overs purely from memory, as if the original game no longer exists and can't be replayed. XD

Silverman's full of crap. It's his job to spin everything, and as such can't be taken seriously. But his words are a good indicator of where BioWare might be taking this in general, so, yes, prepare for disappointment.

[CBKeffer]

I haven't even been on here for that long and I've seen this covered at least twice.

[littlezack]

Does Silverman actually have any influence on the development of the game? Does he program anything? Have any influence of the design decisions? Carry any real weight with anything?

No? Then don't worry.

[Lord Zeuss]

This, so much this.

Bioware's headlong rush to satisfy the Johnny-come-latelys isn't doing wonders for my consumer confidence. In fact, if it were me, I would not be planning to buy ME3 (I'll probably wind up pre-ordering it as a christmas gift for my brother). I'm reforming as a Mass Effect fan, going back to Halo.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

littlezack wrote...
Does Silverman actually have any influence on the development of the game? Does he program anything? Have any influence of the design decisions? Carry any real weight with anything?

No? Then don't worry.

Silverman's job is to market what BioWare is doing.  He's not just making stuff up and blathering on like an idiot.  Well, okay, he is, but that blathering is all a spun take of actual happenings.

[Veex]

Its the natural entry to point to the series because, as the third installment, it should be the most refined and well polished of the series. If Mass Effect 3 is the culmination of the strengths of both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 then, as a developer or an employee of BioWare, I probably want a new customer to experience the best game in the series.

Hopefully they'll enjoy it and be enticed to play the other games.

[littlezack]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

littlezack wrote...
Does Silverman actually have any influence on the development of the game? Does he program anything? Have any influence of the design decisions? Carry any real weight with anything?

No? Then don't worry.

Silverman's job is to market what BioWare is doing.  He's not just making stuff up and blathering on like an idiot.  Well, okay, he is, but that blathering is all a spun take of actual happenings.

I honestly can't see anything to indicate he's actually played the game.

You know how Silverman roles, you've seen it before. I don't know how things are going to end up in Mass Effect 3, and I probably won't until I buy and play the game, but I don't get why people want to put so much stock into the words of a man they almost unanimously call an idiot.

[Vanguard Of Destruction]

Silverman is just the marketing guy. He does not develop the game. Don't take anything he says as being serious in terms of what ME3 will actually be like and play like (most of what he says is probably just made up), he is simply looking for sales numbers. Don't panic and trust the Bioware devs; the people who actually develop the game.

Modifié par Vanguard Of Destruction, 09 août 2011 - 02:43 .

[Fel Skirata]

I have to say, this article got me pretty upset, too. But then again, I've been worried about this game like everyone else for a good while now. And this doesn't exactly help.

I'm afraid this game is seriously going in the wrong direction. It's just like you said, when Mass Effect 2 was presented at E3, Bioware was totally enthusiastic about the whole Desicions matter thing. It's what the kept talking about the whole time. When talking about ME3, all they say is how great a starting point for new players it's gonna be and how there's war everywhere in the galaxy. Oh, and how the combat system is much more...whatever, I don't care. I've played through ME1 a dozen times and I do remeber the details and I want my decisions to matter!

I've only been a Bioware fan for 5-6 years now, but the Bioware that I got to know and love would never say that the third game in a series is a great starting point. The way I see it, people who play a game like Mass Effect don't play it because of its combat system. What's the point in playing ME3 without having played the first two? That's why ME on the PS3 is worthless and I pity those that play it on there for not getting as rich an experience as the rest.

[Badpie]

I'm not saying I've completely lost faith here. There are a lot of things I'm really excited about for ME3. My point is - I don't want this to be a brand new game as Silverman is suggesting. As a long time fan I don't want to start playing a game that to me doesn't even resemble the Mass Effect I love. If it's completely unrecognizable because our decisions and friendships and relationships amount to "nuances" in the game, then that makes me sad.

[Midnight Reyn]

I also agree with this.

The continual PR focus on the fact that the third game is a perfect place for people new to the series to jump in makes me very worried about the depth of the experience of the final game for players who have carried through their Shepards from the first game.

And as a fan from the start of the series it makes me feel undervalued when the majority of articles I read about Mass Effect continuously focus on how easy it will be for new players to pick up the game.

I get that money needs to be made on this game. I get that bringing in more people to the series makes sense. But I don't think the continual focus on how the final game in a trilogy is the ideal place for newcomers to the series, and that they'll be able to understand what's going on without having experience with the last two games is helping much.

[Kel_Sjet]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
That's all they mean. It's marketing drone speak.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Silverman's full of crap.

I'm at a loss as to why these kind of comments are even allowed on these forums. Why are the mods not acting?

Silverman actually works for Bioware. That is more than can be said for almost all non-official members of these forums.

He has seen, played, and helped develop the game (if you think that marketing people have absolutely no input in the game whatsoever then you are all very very mistaken. Sure, they may not help design stuff in its day to day, but saying they have zero input just shows your naivety about the games industry). He has almost infinite more knowledge about the game than you.

An actual, bonafide BW employee is telling you what the game is going to be about, but you guys call him an outright 'liar' and a 'drone'. I mean ffs this guy has been selected from the whole company to publicly talk about the game.

Here is a newsflash.
It is part of his job description that he cannot lie about the game. Sure, the can market some aspects more than others, but if he says "feature X or Y is not going to be part of the game", then it won't. That's just how professionalism works.
If he says "romances are not going to be a big part of ME3" then you better well believe it.


I'm getting really sick and tired of people like this on the forums. People who think that they can just call anyone, even actual BW employees, liars just because they don't like what they hear.


Why on earth, do tell me, should I believe you, a random faceless forum goer, over an actual BW employee?

[CBKeffer]

Badpie wrote...

I'm not saying I've completely lost faith here. There are a lot of things I'm really excited about for ME3. My point is - I don't want this to be a brand new game as Silverman is suggesting. As a long time fan I don't want to start playing a game that to me doesn't even resemble the Mass Effect I love. If it's completely unrecognizable because our decisions and friendships and relationships amount to "nuances" in the game, then that makes me sad.

I truely wouldn't put much stock in what this guy says. He comes across as someone that only half listens to the dev team when they try and tell him what will be going on in the game. So, all he hears is explosions! Awesome! Best one yet! ALL OUT WAR!!!!! And comes up with this...You know, like a normal sales man in any industry.

[ratzerman]

I don't think Badpie is panicking at all. She is a long time fan, reacting to some pretty damn insulting comments made by the head of marketing at Bioware. He's the mouthpiece of the franchise, and when he blatantly shrugs off the existing fanbase, those of us who have been there from the beginning have a right to call him on it.

Best case scenario: he's just spouting some meaningless PR spin to entice new players who might be intimidated.

Worst case scenario: his comments represent the mindset of the devs team.

[Thompson family]

CBKeffer wrote...



I haven't even been on here for that long and I've seen this covered at least twice.

No furher commet.

[CroGamer002]

It's called marketing.

[littlezack]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
That's all they mean. It's marketing drone speak.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Silverman's full of crap.

I'm at a loss as to why these kind of comments are even allowed on these forums. Why are the mods not acting?

Are you not the same guy who was complaining just a few days ago about how the mods are a tolitarian regime that crushes and any all dissent against Mass Effect with indiscriminate fervor?

And even if he's not straight lying, it certainly wouldn't be the first time a marketing-man exaggerated or trumped up something to sound more enticing to a particular group. They do that sort of thing all the time. Saying that all marketing is 100% fact is just naive.

[goofyomnivore]

I think it is mostly marketing, but isn't Silverman the same guy who warned us about the fabled "Awesome Button" in DA:2?

[sTrYkZ1LLa]

I think some people are missing the point of a "good jumping in point". I took it to mean that a new player will see that game as a beginning of a galactic war and pick up the backstory along the way while veteran players will have their game reflect their import. A new person will pick up on giant robots mashing earth fast while veteran players can get enthralled with the lore, I don't see a big deal here. The ps3 version wasn't ruined because lack of ferros or Conrad verner yet a lot still jumped in anyways, who knows I may be wrong.

[littlezack]

strive wrote...

I think it is mostly marketing, but isn't Silverman the same guy who warned us about the fabled "Awesome Button" in DA:2?

Which didn't exist. Which shows you how seriously you should take the stuff he says.