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[RocketManSR2]

Kel_Sjet wrote...

I'm at a loss as to why these kind of comments are even allowed on these forums. Why are the mods not acting?

Silverman actually works for Bioware. That is more than can be said for almost all non-official members of these forums.

He has seen, played, and helped develop the game (if you think that marketing people have absolutely no input in the game whatsoever then you are all very very mistaken. Sure, they may not help design stuff in its day to day, but saying they have zero input just shows your naivety about the games industry). He has almost infinite more knowledge about the game than you.

An actual, bonafide BW employee is telling you what the game is going to be about, but you guys call him an outright 'liar' and a 'drone'. I mean ffs this guy has been selected from the whole company to publicly talk about the game.

Here is a newsflash.
It is part of his job description that he cannot lie about the game. Sure, the can market some aspects more than others, but if he says "feature X or Y is not going to be part of the game", then it won't. That's just how professionalism works.
If he says "romances are not going to be a big part of ME3" then you better well believe it.


I'm getting really sick and tired of people like this on the forums. People who think that they can just call anyone, even actual BW employees, liars just because they don't like what they hear.


Why on earth, do tell me, should I believe you, a random faceless forum goer, over an actual BW employee?

All the more reason to be concerned. If what he is saying is actually what BioWare is doing with 3, then I have no interest in buying it. I really hope you're wrong.

[Phaedon]

Faceless?

I beg your pardon? BioWare is much less faceless than it was a few years back. You can go ahead and interact with devs on Twitter now, and names such as Casey Hudson, Jess Houston, Brenon Holmes, Preston Watamuniak ring a bell,finally.

Besides, David Silverman has been wearing a Wrex suit.

[Bcuz]

Eight years ago? Great Scott he must have undershot!

[Lucifer_Cheney]

didymos1120 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

xXRevan0515Xx wrote...

Well, I guess there is only one thing left to say...Sorry to those who don't like the direction of Mass Effect, best of luck in your search for other games to play.

Yeah.. Let's just accept the turning of yet a company into a faceless drone producing basicly the same game everyone else are making.

So what do you suggest?  The only power you have to make them heed your displeasure is to not give them your money. People can complain, and complain, and complain, but if they buy the games anyway, all they can expect is to be ignored.  So no, telling people "good luck finding something else" isn't advocating that people "just accept" anything.  It's advocating that they do the only thing actually matters to a business (and especially one that is publicly traded): put that money in someone else's coffers.

Exactly. and despite how many people make useless threads complaining about the direction of Biwoare in some form or another the vast majority of them will put down their 59.99-79.99 for the game like the sheep they ultimately are.

Modifié par Lucifer_Cheney, 09 août 2011 - 11:07 .

[Iakus]

Clonedzero wrote...

why do people get so uptight over obvious marketing?
take a chill pill lol

Because it's marketing's job to make people actually want to buy a product?

I don't know which demographic's being appealed to so far, but it's not mine.

[Iakus]

Phaedon wrote...

Faceless?

I beg your pardon? BioWare is much less faceless than it was a few years back. You can go ahead and interact with devs on Twitter now, and names such as Casey Hudson, Jess Houston, Brenon Holmes, Preston Watamuniak ring a bell,finally.

Besides, David Silverman has been wearing a Wrex suit.

It's a good thing too.  The Twitter threads have done more to hold my interest in ME3 than any interview or add has so far.

[ratzerman]

Bcuz wrote...

Eight years ago? Great Scott he must have undershot!

I'm reeeeeally hoping that was a typo. Because if it wasn't......... oh boy.

[Thrombin]

They don't have to make the long time fans want to buy the product. I was ready to buy ME3 the moment I finished ME2. Even if it got panned with awful reviews I'd still want to buy it so that I could finish the story and find out how it ends.

It's the new people they need to get on board in order to increase sales and new people are going to be put off from buying the last part of a trilogy unless you are pretty clear that they aren't losing out by just starting with ME3.

We've already heard from the devs that there are big rewards for people who have played the previous games so I, for one, am not remotely worried by this sort of marketing.

Regards

Julian

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

Eight years ago? Great Scott he must have undershot!

I'm reeeeeally hoping that was a typo. Because if it wasn't......... oh boy.

Silverman's just seeing double....speaking double...whatever.

[Leonia]

I haven't read the thread (probably seen all the comments a billion times before, it is the BSN after all) but I was thinking the other night that Bioware has the unique challenge of creating two completely different versions of ME3: the starting point version and the ending point version. I'm generally fairly optimistic about things but it does worry me a bit that they are trying to achieve two radically different objectives in the same game. On the other hand, I can't rationally think of a better way for them to do it so let's hope this extra time for development (remember, the original release date was going to be November) will help them out.

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

Eight years ago? Great Scott he must have undershot!

I'm reeeeeally hoping that was a typo. Because if it wasn't......... oh boy.

Silverman's just seeing double....speaking double...whatever.

He just needs to, you know.... not talk anymore. 

That might be difficult, considering his job description, but I think it will be for the best.

[Thrombin]

Casey Hudson was saying ME3 is the best place to start at E3. It's not just David.

[Badpie]

Lucifer_Cheney wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

xXRevan0515Xx wrote...

Well, I guess there is only one thing left to say...Sorry to those who don't like the direction of Mass Effect, best of luck in your search for other games to play.

Yeah.. Let's just accept the turning of yet a company into a faceless drone producing basicly the same game everyone else are making.

So what do you suggest?  The only power you have to make them heed your displeasure is to not give them your money. People can complain, and complain, and complain, but if they buy the games anyway, all they can expect is to be ignored.  So no, telling people "good luck finding something else" isn't advocating that people "just accept" anything.  It's advocating that they do the only thing actually matters to a business (and especially one that is publicly traded): put that money in someone else's coffers.

Exactly. and despite how many people make useless threads complaining about the direction of Biwoare in some form or another the vast majority of them will put down their 59.99-79.99 for the game like the sheep they ultimately are.

No, complaining is what happens after you buy the game and its nothing like what you hoped it would be.  This is a discussion bringing valid concerns to light before a game is finished in the hope that we won't have to complain later.

[Leonia]

Ya'll are giving Silverman a hard time when Casey was the first one to start plugging the whole "entry point" concept back with the Gameinformer interviews (which were great interviews, by the way). And he even explained WHY that was. It isn't fair to lock out a potential playerbase that might want to come into the triology late. Also, keeping in mind that ME1 is starting to feel a big aged now, would you want to attract new players with that old, clunky combat system (even if the story is awesome)? It's weird, I can see both sides of this issue clearly but I think Bioware has a good idea of what they are doing (and seeing as the entire story has been planned out from the start, even if parts have changed or evolved from their original ideas, it seems they are still focusing on their intended vision regardless of how much the player has experienced before ME3).

[Badpie]

leonia42 wrote...

Ya'll are giving Silverman a hard time when Casey was the first one to start plugging the whole "entry point" concept back with the Gameinformer interviews (which were great interviews, by the way). And he even explained WHY that was. It isn't fair to lock out a potential playerbase that might want to come into the triology late. Also, keeping in mind that ME1 is starting to feel a big aged now, would you want to attract new players with that old, clunky combat system (even if the story is awesome)? It's weird, I can see both sides of this issue clearly but I think Bioware has a good idea of what they are doing (and seeing as the entire story has been planned out from the start, even if parts have changed or evolved from their original ideas, it seems they are still focusing on their intended vision regardless of how much the player has experienced before ME3).

I've heard Casey say it too, but he also wasn't publicly dismissive of prior choices the way Silverman was in that interview.  I hope you're right about them being aware of all this.  I don't think anyone is saying that new players should be stiffed, but they have to think of a way that brings them in that doesn't completely ignore the other two games.  And a terrible comic is just not going to cut it.

Someone mentioned Vega earlier and how he (and any new character really) is a really good opportunity for exposition and having questions about what's going on etc.  I think incorporating this somehow as a natural narrative flow would be much better than a cliffnotes comic version of what is a very dense, really good story.  And as a returning player I wouldn't mind having some of that exposition within the story, say, for Vega's case.

[Dionkey]

Badpie wrote...

I've heard Casey say it too, but he also wasn't publicly dismissive of prior choices the way Silverman was in that interview.  I hope you're right about them being aware of all this.  I don't think anyone is saying that new players should be stiffed, but they have to think of a way that brings them in that doesn't completely ignore the other two games.  And a terrible comic is just not going to cut it.

Someone mentioned Vega earlier and how he (and any new character really) is a really good opportunity for exposition and having questions about what's going on etc.  I think incorporating this somehow as a natural narrative flow would be much better than a cliffnotes comic version of what is a very dense, really good story.  And as a returning player I wouldn't mind having some of that exposition within the story, say, for Vega's case.

This is the priorty list they should do:

1. Cater to long time fans
2. Allow new players to come in

Not the other way around.

[RocketManSR2]

iakus wrote...

Because it's marketing's job to make people actually want to buy a product?

I don't know which demographic's being appealed to so far, but it's not mine.

^ This. So far, I've just been scared s***less by marketing.

[Iakus]

Thrombin wrote...

They don't have to make the long time fans want to buy the product. I was ready to buy ME3 the moment I finished ME2. Even if it got panned with awful reviews I'd still want to buy it so that I could finish the story and find out how it ends.

Ah, but you see, I wasn't.  I felt ME2 was vastly inferior to the original, updated gameplay notwithstanding.  I'm still not 100% sold on ME3.

And while the various twitters, tweets, whatever you call them, seem to be delivering good news.  The "official" news coming from Bioware fills me with a sense of "more of the same"

So the question is, do choices in the previous games actually matter?  Or is ME3 a "good entry point"?  I'm having a really hard time reconciling the two.

Cause if it is a good entry point, that means that maybe a dozen or so choices might have a real effect on the game (however many they can shoehorn into a :sick:comic:sick:) and everything else will be strictly cosmetic Cameos, emails, news reports, whatever.  

[Bcuz]

Lets put this in perspective.

This is he video game industry, when have we EVER had good/accurate marketing, even on the best games?

[KotorEffect3]

Didn't bother reading the whole thread, I will just say this when trying to bring in new fans they are not going to market it by saying "you will be lost if you didn't play the other two, so it is only worth it if you played the first two". Of course we as fans know that it is better to have already played the other two but that doesn't mean that people that havn't will be lost. Don't know why this is such an issue with some people.

[Mass N7 Effect N7 Maniac]

[quote]sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

I think some people are missing the point of a "good jumping in point". I took it to mean that a new player will see that game as a beginning of a galactic war and pick up the backstory along the way while veteran players will have their game reflect their import. A new person will pick up on giant robots mashing earth fast while veteran players can get enthralled with the lore, I don't see a big deal here. The ps3 version wasn't ruined because lack of ferros or Conrad verner yet a lot still jumped in anyways, who knows I may be wrong.[/quote/]

I agree with this..........i didnt join the mass effect party until mass effect 2 and i got caught up to speed pretty quick. i knew all about saren, sovereign, the geth, the council, and all tht good stuff before i even played mass effect 1....so i just think (and hope) tht u will b able to catch up as the story progresess

[Elvis_Mazur]

And now I'm wondering why they chose to make a trilogy in the first place, if the prequels were going to be a pain in the ass for them.

[Jaron Oberyn]

They were in way over their heads it seems. Now by disregarding the previous games, they can make it easier on themselves for development. Made an "important" choice in the first two games? Get an email from someone in the third. Simple as that.


-Polite

[Mass N7 Effect N7 Maniac]

jollyorigins wrote...

 Just out of interest does David Silverman have the IQ of a dead weasel? 
Because the third part of a trilogy is not a "natural" entry point to the series.
But then again this is David Silverman, the guy who thinks when you press a button something awesome has to happen.

haha i also agree with this!