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Badpie wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Seems like Casey Hudson took a notice of this thread. 2 tweets regarding this issue within the last 45 minutes. Now that's what I like to see.

-Polite


It makes me feel a little better that he's obviously on damage control.  Silverman got SLAMMED on Twitter earlier.



Really? I can imagine all of the fans he's pissing off saying we won't care about the choices we made from the last 2 games, or even remember them. :P Poor guy. 


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Hoping That I Am Wrong, but we have every reason to be worried about the fate of ME3, just look at how they screwed up with DA trying to do the same things that Silverman is "marketing" in his interveiws about ME3. Image IPB

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Silverman is the worst PR guys ever... He's trying to act cool, but sounds like an absolute fool...

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Silverman is the worst PR guys ever... He's trying to act cool, but sounds like an absolute fool...



I think it's his lines to be honest. "Button > Awesome" and "Keep your fingers on the pulse" are kinda cheesy. 


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Lol... How most reacted on this thread...
*saw thread on the forum page*
Oooh, moar complaining, let's read this.
*reads it*
Wait... Is this a BANDWAGON|? OMG I'M SO JUMPING IN!
*post*
I'm so afraid BW will screw ME3 up, Silverman's an idiot, doesn't matter that he's just trying to do his job and he has no say in the developing quarter, or that from what we've seen the devs are trying to combine the best of both games into ME3 and they stated numerous times that all choices will be solved, I'm very much worried that ME3 will be screwed and I have loads of reasons to!

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Silverman is the worst PR guys ever... He's trying to act cool, but sounds like an absolute fool...



I think it's his lines to be honest. "Button > Awesome" and "Keep your fingers on the pulse" are kinda cheesy. 


-Polite



People need to give that guy a break, he is just trying to do his job.

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Dexi wrote...

Lol... How most reacted on this thread...
*saw thread on the forum page*
Oooh, moar complaining, let's read this.
*reads it*
Wait... Is this a BANDWAGON|? OMG I'M SO JUMPING IN!
*post*
I'm so afraid BW will screw ME3 up, Silverman's an idiot, doesn't matter that he's just trying to do his job and he has no say in the developing quarter, or that from what we've seen the devs are trying to combine the best of both games into ME3 and they stated numerous times that all choices will be solved, I'm very much worried that ME3 will be screwed and I have loads of reasons to!



lol

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Silverman is the worst PR guys ever... He's trying to act cool, but sounds like an absolute fool...



I think it's his lines to be honest. "Button > Awesome" and "Keep your fingers on the pulse" are kinda cheesy. 


-Polite



People need to give that guy a break, he is just trying to do his job.

yup. a lot of ppl have the same complaint about major nelson but thats just the way it is for some media personalities. its hard to develop a clear voice, use decent grammar and be cool at the same time

i prefer that strange radio personality style vs the natural 'look at me im so comfortable doin this' vibe. its like a bat signal for old ppl: This will not be offensive, youre children can probably listen safely. Keep yer fingers.. on the pulse

its that or listen to kevin periera blather on about nothing for 30sec during an segment. i dont do nervous laughter well tho; sessler is one of my favorite gaming journalists but his laugh during feedback is kinda grating

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The third part of a trilogy...... the THIRD part of a trilogy. Seems the truth of the matter is pretty self-evident.

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Amen to OP and to this thread. I don't care if it's marketing or whatever I think there should be 100 more threads like this until it sinks in for sure. ME2 was supposedly "a perfect place to enter for new comers". Wow wut now ME3 is the perfect place to enter - I'm sorry but when somebody tells me I should watch the third part of the movie and the other two before that don't matter - I call it bad writing. And again I don't care if it's just marketing.

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What are they going to say to potential new customers?

"Yeah, you're a total newb and a day late and a dollar short to start with ME 3, but we've made it so it's still kind of viable"

Marketing must always commit many necessary evils. Saying that ME 3 will be a good experience for the newcomer is pretty mild. Might even qualify as only semi-evil.

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Legbiter wrote...

What are they going to say to potential new customers?

"Yeah, you're a total newb and a day late and a dollar short to start with ME 3, but we've made it so it's still kind of viable"

Marketing must always commit many necessary evils. Saying that ME 3 will be a good experience for the newcomer is pretty mild. Might even qualify as only semi-evil.


Attracting potential customers is one thing, saying the intended emphasis is on them is completely else. Saying that all my choices and my relationships don't matter or are secondary is completely completely else. PR or not, marketing or whatever - you don't want to alienate or turn away your older fans, those that made you be in the first place and the way it's even presented is insulting.

Modifié par Undertone, 10 août 2011 - 08:39 .


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Legbiter wrote...

What are they going to say to potential new customers?

"Yeah, you're a total newb and a day late and a dollar short to start with ME 3, but we've made it so it's still kind of viable"

Marketing must always commit many necessary evils. Saying that ME 3 will be a good experience for the newcomer is pretty mild. Might even qualify as only semi-evil.




Marketing in general does try to sell their game, and saying that ME3 is a good time to come in is a great way to sell the game. But when Bioware's absolutely EXTREME PR get a hold of a concept like this, they beat it to the absolute ****ter.

I don't know how many questions i've heard that start with "So, Casey/David, is it safe to say the majority of previous companions are returning?" to be answered with "This game is the best entry point to the series".

Answering questions with unrelated hyperbole, time and time again, is bloody amateurish. The only video game company i have seen this done to such an extreme, is Bioware.

Plus, look at what CDPR said when they were asked if the first Witcher needed to be played before TW2. I don't know the exact quote, but it basically states that you will get a better understanding of whats going on, culminating to a fuller experience, but it's not absolutely necessary. 

I don't know about you, but when i see a PR dude slinging around how awesome everything is because of it's pure awesomeness, i get a bit turned off their product.

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Well, you guys can go ahead and kill yourselves right now I guess, if a fairly mild marketing spiel targeting the new folks gets you this upset. Me, I'll wait and see.

And if you guys were absolutly devastated with the continuity from ME 1 to ME 2 that goes double.

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Legbiter wrote...

Well, you guys can go ahead and kill yourselves right now I guess, if a fairly mild marketing spiel targeting the new folks gets you this upset. Me, I'll wait and see.

And if you guys were absolutly devastated with the continuity from ME 1 to ME 2 that goes double.



I think some people come on here just looking for something to get upset about

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

What are they going to say to potential new customers?

"Yeah, you're a total newb and a day late and a dollar short to start with ME 3, but we've made it so it's still kind of viable"

Marketing must always commit many necessary evils. Saying that ME 3 will be a good experience for the newcomer is pretty mild. Might even qualify as only semi-evil.




Marketing in general does try to sell their game, and saying that ME3 is a good time to come in is a great way to sell the game. But when Bioware's absolutely EXTREME PR get a hold of a concept like this, they beat it to the absolute ****ter.

I don't know how many questions i've heard that start with "So, Casey/David, is it safe to say the majority of previous companions are returning?" to be answered with "This game is the best entry point to the series".

Answering questions with unrelated hyperbole, time and time again, is bloody amateurish. The only video game company i have seen this done to such an extreme, is Bioware.

Plus, look at what CDPR said when they were asked if the first Witcher needed to be played before TW2. I don't know the exact quote, but it basically states that you will get a better understanding of whats going on, culminating to a fuller experience, but it's not absolutely necessary. 

I don't know about you, but when i see a PR dude slinging around how awesome everything is because of it's pure awesomeness, i get a bit turned off their product.


I personally get turned off by a PR dude simply doing A BAD JOB. Honestly, Silverman's marketing is AWFUL. GOD-DAMN-AWFUL. I haven't got a clue why he hasn't been fired, he's pretty much a joke to everyone. Bioware might make great games (for the most part) but honestly, their marketing needs to catch up to the quality of the actual products.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

For once, I can agree with you. I'd love to see different consequences based on my decisions, since it adds to replay value. But instead in ME2 we just had emails. I still enjoyed the game for what it was, but I felt that it could have been so much better. But ultimately it's about the story, and given the fact that the story will be more like ME1, I can get over it if I get a few emails.


-Polite


Basically, it's a problem of Bioware hyping this new trilogy. But the idea of radically different play throughs becomes very difficult due to limited resources.

Bioware games typically feature two divergent consequences in the end game (Jedi vs. Sith, Save/Kill Water Dragon, etc). If each ME sequel features a divergent campaign based on that choice, by Mass Effect 3 we'd have 4 different "play throughs" to set up. A fun game is the goal, but I think everyone's better off not expecting radically different play throughs. At least this way we can be pleasantly surprised if it does happen.

Modifié par Il Divo, 10 août 2011 - 11:33 .


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Meh, as long as it HAS a main plot this time I'll be... well, content.

But I'm seriously disillusioned about the whole imported saves concept.  That will no longer be a selling point for me.


I didn't really have faith in the concept from the start. It sounds too difficult, given their game development. The only potential argument I've seen work is that Bioware purposely restricted ME2 carry overs from ME1, so they could "go crazy" with Mass Effect 3.

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alex90c wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

What are they going to say to potential new customers?

"Yeah, you're a total newb and a day late and a dollar short to start with ME 3, but we've made it so it's still kind of viable"

Marketing must always commit many necessary evils. Saying that ME 3 will be a good experience for the newcomer is pretty mild. Might even qualify as only semi-evil.




Marketing in general does try to sell their game, and saying that ME3 is a good time to come in is a great way to sell the game. But when Bioware's absolutely EXTREME PR get a hold of a concept like this, they beat it to the absolute ****ter.

I don't know how many questions i've heard that start with "So, Casey/David, is it safe to say the majority of previous companions are returning?" to be answered with "This game is the best entry point to the series".

Answering questions with unrelated hyperbole, time and time again, is bloody amateurish. The only video game company i have seen this done to such an extreme, is Bioware.

Plus, look at what CDPR said when they were asked if the first Witcher needed to be played before TW2. I don't know the exact quote, but it basically states that you will get a better understanding of whats going on, culminating to a fuller experience, but it's not absolutely necessary. 

I don't know about you, but when i see a PR dude slinging around how awesome everything is because of it's pure awesomeness, i get a bit turned off their product.


I personally get turned off by a PR dude simply doing A BAD JOB. Honestly, Silverman's marketing is AWFUL. GOD-DAMN-AWFUL. I haven't got a clue why he hasn't been fired, he's pretty much a joke to everyone. Bioware might make great games (for the most part) but honestly, their marketing needs to catch up to the quality of the actual products.



Calling for someone to lose their job now?

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It is going to be a great entry point for those who havnt played mass effect before.. most people arnt going to pick up mass effect one from thier local store, they are far more likely to see ME3 and try it. perhaps they will pick up the other games later.

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redneckwonderland wrote...

It is going to be a great entry point for those who havnt played mass effect before.. most people arnt going to pick up mass effect one from thier local store, they are far more likely to see ME3 and try it. perhaps they will pick up the other games later.



A lot of people (mainly PS3 gamers) have not played the first one and Bioware said that ME2 was a great place to start as well. Look how that turned out. ME3 is the worst place to start.  The biggest part of the ME series was "Role-playing" and having characters that you come to know and love as the series went on. Not to mention a build up to one of the most anticipated villains in gaming history. New gamers are not going to have that awe about the villains or the game as a whole.  The people who have not palyed and enjoyed the other two games are not going to have a deep experience as the game intends.........That is the aspect of ME........"deep experience".

ME3 is the absolute worst spot to start! If you start with ME3 then why would you go back to the other two? It definitely is not for the story..... and since ME3 combat is going to be better and your not interested in story then why then play the other two?

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A lot of people (mainly PS3 gamers) have not played the first one and Bioware said that ME2 was a great place to start as well. Look how that turned out. ME3 is the worst place to start.  The biggest part of the ME series was "Role-playing" and having characters that you come to know and love as the series went on. Not to mention a build up to one of the most anticipated villains in gaming history. New gamers are not going to have that awe about the villains or the game as a whole.  The people who have not palyed and enjoyed the other two games are not going to have a deep experience as the game intends.........That is the aspect of ME........"deep experience".

ME3 is the absolute worst spot to start! 

Look how what turned out?

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jreezy wrote...

KevShep wrote...
A lot of people (mainly PS3 gamers) have not played the first one and Bioware said that ME2 was a great place to start as well. Look how that turned out. ME3 is the worst place to start.  The biggest part of the ME series was "Role-playing" and having characters that you come to know and love as the series went on. Not to mention a build up to one of the most anticipated villains in gaming history. New gamers are not going to have that awe about the villains or the game as a whole.  The people who have not palyed and enjoyed the other two games are not going to have a deep experience as the game intends.........That is the aspect of ME........"deep experience".

ME3 is the absolute worst spot to start! 

Look how what turned out?


There was alot of problems with PS3 people because they could not get ME1 on PS3. People that were into the story did not really know what was going on sometimes. Genesis (or what ever its called) did not help much at all. The PS3 people missed out on experiencing the series from the start.

Its going to be that much harder to explain to newcomers whats going on especially if that gamer cares about the story.BTW if they care about the story then why start in ME3? If you dont care about story then why are you even playing ME3?  
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people actually take David Silverman seriously? every time he talks all i hear out his mouth is those weird sounds the adults make in charlie brown lol

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alex90c wrote...


I personally get turned off by a PR dude simply doing A BAD JOB. Honestly, Silverman's marketing is AWFUL. GOD-DAMN-AWFUL. I haven't got a clue why he hasn't been fired, he's pretty much a joke to everyone. Bioware might make great games (for the most part) but honestly, their marketing needs to catch up to the quality of the actual products.


If they won't fire Laidlaw, there is no hope that anyone else could ever be fired. They'd sue Bioware and in court simply point out that Laidlaw is still there. Any court would immediately side with the plainiff.